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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 07:56:00 - [1]
 

Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone. It should be irrelevant as it was several hours ago, but I'm throwing it in since there seems to be an obvious connection.

Just a few minutes ago, long after my global criminal countdown was gone, I undocked from a station, only to have the CONCORD station guns shoot my ship. Why would they do this? I didn't have global criminal status, and I don't have poor enough standings with the local governments to provoke this.

Here is the killmail, if you're interested, and also to thwart trolls who ask stupid questions that don't need to be asked.

2011.05.07 07:45:00

Victim: Reaver Glitterstim
Corp: Legio Geminatus
Alliance: Gentlemen's Agreement
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Tekaima
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 1919

Involved parties:

Name: Caldari Sentry Gun I / CONCORD (laid the final blow)
Damage Done: 1919

Destroyed items:

Kernite Mining Crystal II (Cargo)
Hammerhead I (Drone Bay)
Modulated Strip Miner II
Hornet I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)

Dropped items:

Hobgoblin I (Drone Bay)
Kernite Mining Crystal II (Cargo)
Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II (Cargo)
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2
Modulated Strip Miner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II, Qty: 2

Amda Tori
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.07 07:59:00 - [2]
 

Even Concord joins the Hulkageddon.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:01:00 - [3]
 

No harvesters? Sad

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:07:00 - [4]
 

Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)

Kiandoshia
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:08:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Kiandoshia on 07/05/2011 08:08:15
I think it is pretty ironic that a person who destroyed another person's ship without any provocation complains about the same happening to him.

I know it is not supposed to happen but it is funny still.


Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.

Future Mutant
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone. It should be irrelevant as it was several hours ago,



you dont mention if concord destroyed your ship after the attempt.

They will get it eventually- even if several hours have passed

Kiandoshia
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:22:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.


He is right though. You char (the one you posted with) has -5.24 standings with the Caldari State, which means they will attemtp to kill you on sight, so if you lost the ship on this char, then everything is indeed, working as intended.

Fight Song
Amarr
Power Penguin Pew
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kiandoshia
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.


He is right though. You char (the one you posted with) has -5.24 standings with the Caldari State, which means they will attemtp to kill you on sight, so if you lost the ship on this char, then everything is indeed, working as intended.


I assume he has the skill to raise this standing- others can only see it in its unmodified form. also iirc concord doesnt deal with racial standing territorial problems

Kiandoshia
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:29:00 - [10]
 

Why can people not see modified standings?

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:32:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kiandoshia
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.


He is right though. You char (the one you posted with) has -5.24 standings with the Caldari State, which means they will attemtp to kill you on sight, so if you lost the ship on this char, then everything is indeed, working as intended.

zomg
Why is it only me and the OP have any knowledge of the skill 'Diplomacy'? Rolling Eyes

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:34:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 07/05/2011 08:35:47
Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone. It should be irrelevant as it was several hours ago,



you dont mention if concord destroyed your ship after the attempt.

They will get it eventually- even if several hours have passed


They definitely got the ship I used to suicide gank the person. And then they got a second ship of mine later.
Here is the killmail for the first:
2011.05.07 04:49:00

Victim: Reaver Glitterstim
Corp: Legio Geminatus
Alliance: Gentlemen's Agreement
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Raven
System: Tekaima
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 25309

Involved parties:

Name: CONCORD Police Commander / CONCORD
Damage Done: 24920

Name: {name hidden for privacy} (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.8
Corp: -----
Alliance: -----
Faction: NONE
Ship: Drake
Weapon: Hammerhead I
Damage Done: 389

Destroyed items:

Ballistic Control System I, Qty: 3
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Qty: 2
Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 6 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 6
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter

Dropped items:

Ballistic Control System I
Reactor Control Unit I
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Qty: 4
Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 6
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster I
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter, Qty: 3


Originally by: Kiandoshia
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.


He is right though. You char (the one you posted with) has -5.24 standings with the Caldari State, which means they will attemtp to kill you on sight, so if you lost the ship on this char, then everything is indeed, working as intended.


Actually, no they wont. I have diplomacy 1 which puts my effective standings with Caldari state at -4.63. They do not shoot at me, I go through Caldari space every now and then.
Secondly, if you check your map, you would find that Tekaima is in CONCORD controlled space. The station could be owned by another faction (which it isn't, it is owned by CONCORD), but that has no basis on whether or not they would shoot at me, only the sovereignty holder. My standing with Concord is 2.54 base value (same as my security status), or 3.73 effective with connections 3.
Thirdly, the turret that shot me was owned by CONCORD and not by Caldari State. It was a Caldari State turret design that was purchased and installed by CONCORD.
Fourthly, I received a global criminal flag when I was shot, in addition to the corporate/faction criminal flag (CONCORD).

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)


Zaqar is lowering the bar for trolls everywhere by proving once and for all that there is no measure one can take to prevent a troll from finding something idiotic and misinformed to say.
Or maybe I just forgot Tekaima is in CONCORD space. Calm down, child.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:39:00 - [14]
 

read the rest of what I said to debunk you.

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:43:00 - [15]
 

Is there anything in the standings transactions for CONCORD or your security status changes on your character sheet ?


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:48:00 - [16]
 

The only halfway reasonable explanation given the extended details you presented would be that you kept getting a CONCORD *corp* aggression timer refreshed for some reason (but not displayed), say for simply passing by entities controlled by CONCORD before the corp timer was over (say, by warping around near turrets), which eventually lead to you getting shot at by the CONCORD corp guns at the station exit (but not by a CONCORD ship spawn).
That's why you usually wait more than 15 minutes after docking to undock, to have all possible timers (including those not displayed) run out completely.
If it's not that, I have no idea what could have happened.

CARE8EAR
Posted - 2011.05.07 08:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone.

I undocked from a station, only to have the CONCORD station guns shoot my ship.


HAHAHAH (deep breath), HAHAHAHAHA

Ganker tears, oh joy!!


Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 09:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Shirley Serious
Is there anything in the standings transactions for CONCORD or your security status changes on your character sheet ?




I don't see anything except the normal losses for the people I attacked.

Originally by: Akita T
The only halfway reasonable explanation given the extended details you presented would be that you kept getting a CONCORD *corp* aggression timer refreshed for some reason (but not displayed), say for simply passing by entities controlled by CONCORD before the corp timer was over (say, by warping around near turrets), which eventually lead to you getting shot at by the CONCORD corp guns at the station exit (but not by a CONCORD ship spawn).
That's why you usually wait more than 15 minutes after docking to undock, to have all possible timers (including those not displayed) run out completely.
If it's not that, I have no idea what could have happened.


Definitely not that. I was docked for those several hours. I logged out at some point and came back later after the global criminal flag was long gone. I also checked to make sure it was gone before I undocked, and also I did not receive a warning that I would be attacked if I undocked.

I also want to thank you both for having a non-troll answer. I don't get those very often.

Originally by: CARE8EAR
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone.

I undocked from a station, only to have the CONCORD station guns shoot my ship.


HAHAHAH (deep breath), HAHAHAHAHA

Ganker tears, oh joy!!




I feel your enthusiasm, really I do. But know that the person I was attempting to gank was not a carebear, but in fact a macro miner. I'm a friend to carebears, and I would only gank a pirate, annoying spammer, or botter.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.05.07 09:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: CARE8EAR
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Earlier today I attempted a suicide gank on someone.

I undocked from a station, only to have the CONCORD station guns shoot my ship.


HAHAHAH (deep breath), HAHAHAHAHA

Ganker tears, oh joy!!



I love how people think this is 'tears'
All I see in the OP is a 'wtflol' moment...

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2011.05.07 09:09:00 - [20]
 

Hmm.

The macro miner you engaged, you did not destroy, correct?

Do you know if anyone else destroyed them later ?

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 09:38:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Shirley Serious
Hmm.

The macro miner you engaged, you did not destroy, correct?

Do you know if anyone else destroyed them later ?


The macro miner immediately warped away, docked with the station, and logged off. I got him to half armor as my friend reported. (I could not see this as I got jammed by CONCORD early in the attack)
I think it is very unlikely that anyone else got his hulk later.

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2011.05.07 10:26:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
The macro miner immediately warped away, docked with the station, and logged off.


Hmm. in that case, it wasn't the thing I was thinking of. ugh

No idea then. All I could suggest now is to try a petition, as then you may find out what game mechanic caused this, even if your ship is not reimbursed.

Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.05.07 10:31:00 - [23]
 

Bugs happen. Petition it, enjoy a brand new spawned ship.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.05.07 10:53:00 - [24]
 

Alright then, I put in a petition.

Thanks for all the help guys!

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
Posted - 2011.05.07 11:04:00 - [25]
 

Same happened with me.

Read it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1507089

And when they deny your petition (and they probably will), just ask for escalation. Enjoy your ship after few weeks of waiting..

CARE8EAR
Posted - 2011.05.07 14:59:00 - [26]
 




I feel your enthusiasm, really I do. But know that the person I was attempting to gank was not a carebear, but in fact a macro miner. I'm a friend to carebears, and I would only gank a pirate, annoying spammer, or botter.


Ah, then i believe an apology is in order... Sorry!! Embarassed

o/

voiddragon
Posted - 2011.05.07 15:53:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: voiddragon on 07/05/2011 15:54:23
Was it an actual concord station? If so, you aggressed the faction "concord" when you docked as a criminal, but this does not display a timer. However, most people know that after a 15 minutes GCC you have a 15 minute aggression countdown with the station you docked at.

I.E If you undock and station / faction shoots you.

Sounds like in this case, concord was this faction.

However, you said hours after this gank... Then maybe the problem is you have bad standings with the station now? Perhaps someone could tell me.

Teryl Manara
Posted - 2011.05.07 16:02:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Zaqar
Caldari State -5.24 (Bad)
This is the correct reason you were destroyed.

The station from which you undocked aggressed you because you had very low standings to their faction. They consider you an enemy and will shoot you on sight.

There is no CONCORD on that killmail, CCP just doesn't know how to properly set the owner of station guns.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.07 16:29:00 - [29]
 

Why the hell were you mining in hi sec in the first place?

Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.05.07 16:34:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Feligast
Why the hell were you mining in hi sec in the first place?


He had 6 Arbalest siege launchers in hold so he wasn't. he was transporting an Alt fit. What I'm wondering is why all of a sudden vet chars are losing assets to thier standings. Was there a run on EBay EVE chars?


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