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Siro Higami
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:19:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Xylengra
Originally by: Taharsha Elohim
Why not just issue a war declaration the corps mentioned and have yourself a duck hunt?




This, tbh.

I guess, for some, that it is more important to 'make a name for themselves' on the forums, to whinge about CCP not acting fast enough for them, and to, in turn, wait for the nanny state of CCP to handle their business.


war dec'ing botters and farmers gets no results. They might be botters, but they arent dumb.Here's how it goes.

-War dec corp u think is full of botters
-corp full of botters immediately disbands
-corp full of botters reforms under a similar name
-dec new corp
-start at bullet point 2, rinse repeat.

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:42:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Ludi Burek on 09/05/2011 05:43:10
Edited by: Ludi Burek on 09/05/2011 05:42:19
Originally by: Siro Higami


war dec'ing botters and farmers gets no results. They might be botters, but they arent dumb.Here's how it goes.

-War dec corp u think is full of botters
-corp full of botters immediately disbands
-corp full of botters reforms under a similar name
-dec new corp
-start at bullet point 2, rinse repeat.



Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens. I've decced a few blatantly obvious bot miner groups and missioner groups. Usually they're all in a new corp within 30 minutes.

Sure, declaring wars on corps is cheap but pretty quickly one realizes that you will NOT get lucky and by some miracle they stay in corp. The most annoying thing about it is not the cost but the fact that one of your limited war slots is tied up on an empty corp for a minimum of a day. Maybe it's time war dec mechanics get a serious look into. They've only been broken since... the beginning of eve /sigh

Harkim Fulmar
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:47:00 - [63]
 

The 'Power of Two' Alliance is also alive and well in Finanar (Metropolis).

These asshats regularly leave hordes of drones behind as the server shuts down for DT. I was strongly suspecting bots but this looks like some reasonable evidence (op). Feel free to go there and shoot them (but not third parties please, that would be a bad thing Shocked )

Jesus Rambo
Minmatar
Friendship is Magic
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:53:00 - [64]
 

I hate to be the one to say it, but as much as everyone hates bot mining, putting down the banhammer on it would drive prices of everything way up.

Interesting dynamic there.

Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:54:00 - [65]
 

A friend of mine plays an old MMORPG (Ultima Online) on a free server. The rules prohibit any resource gathering by macro. When a complaint is lodged with the GM, the GM takes the simple step of showing up and talking to the person suspected of breaking the rules. If no response is made within a short (but reasonable) amount of time, the player is placed in a jail for a specified period of time and given a warning. The second offense results in a ban.

It seems to me that GMs could really make things harder on macro miners by doing something similar. It's reasonable to expect that people who are actually playing the game should be able to respond to a GM.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:59:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Norrin Ellis
A friend of mine plays an old MMORPG (Ultima Online) on a free server. The rules prohibit any resource gathering by macro. When a complaint is lodged with the GM, the GM takes the simple step of showing up and talking to the person suspected of breaking the rules. If no response is made within a short (but reasonable) amount of time, the player is placed in a jail for a specified period of time and given a warning. The second offense results in a ban.

It seems to me that GMs could really make things harder on macro miners by doing something similar. It's reasonable to expect that people who are actually playing the game should be able to respond to a GM.



Hint: They already do. GM methods of dealing with bots are not 100% public knowledge, but if you browse the forums and file petitions enough, you'll find some tidbits.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.09 06:39:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Norrin Ellis
A friend of mine plays an old MMORPG (Ultima Online) on a free server. The rules prohibit any resource gathering by macro. When a complaint is lodged with the GM, the GM takes the simple step of showing up and talking to the person suspected of breaking the rules. If no response is made within a short (but reasonable) amount of time, the player is placed in a jail for a specified period of time and given a warning. The second offense results in a ban.

Great idea! Let's ban everybody you dares to be afk at the wrong time. Well, sucks to be them!
What could possibly go wrong?

Vandiilo
Gallente
Full Metal Jacket LLC
Posted - 2011.05.09 06:50:00 - [68]
 

1. I've never been that concerned about what anyone else does in-game.

2. If they set up a macro to suicide gank me or spam me that would **** me off, otherwise: see point 1.

Naphariel
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:25:00 - [69]
 

I wonder, what's the official stance on stealing the macroer's ore/ice? After reporting them I mean...
Is it considered ok or is it bannable? Neutral

Suddenly Boom
Posted - 2011.05.09 10:43:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Suddenly Boom on 09/05/2011 10:51:25
Originally by: Harkim Fulmar
The 'Power of Two' Alliance is also alive and well in Finanar (Metropolis).

These asshats regularly leave hordes of drones behind as the server shuts down for DT. I was strongly suspecting bots but this looks like some reasonable evidence (op). Feel free to go there and shoot them (but not third parties please, that would be a bad thing Shocked )


You say they're in finanar? Not any group of theirs that I know about. What's their corp name, or one their character names?

BTW did anyone notice that the power of two alliance was formed by Rus Acedemy. Now it's starting to make sense, why most of their corp names end in "corp" for example, Baneblade JG Corp Corporation. Who else thinks having corp at the end of your name is good? Rus Corp. A coincidence? I dunno, is it a coincidence that most of these macrominer names are russian names?

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.05.09 11:09:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Jesus Rambo
I hate to be the one to say it, but as much as everyone hates bot mining, putting down the banhammer on it would drive prices of everything way up.

Interesting dynamic there.

Interesting logic, too.

Getting rid of killing, famine & war leads to more overpopulation. So... which side do you choose?

Sarina Rhoda
Posted - 2011.05.09 11:46:00 - [72]
 

IIRC you can still sucide gank them. If i remember agression timers correctly they pick up a 15min timer just by you having an alt lock them.

Get an alt to lock them all up so they get the 15min timer. Jump your sucide ganking mains in. They will all log off and emergancy warp. (they only warp a tiny amount of au away). Use probes to find them in there safespots and gank them there :D

And as your alt has only locked them it will never get flagged by their macros as someone who has ganked them :D

Everinsearch
Posted - 2011.05.09 11:47:00 - [73]
 

I for one, ____________ our ___________ bot overlords.

ko4e
Posted - 2011.05.09 12:07:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Vandiilo
1. I've never been that concerned about what anyone else does in-game.

2. If they set up a macro to suicide gank me or spam me that would **** me off, otherwise: see point 1.


exactly, too many people telling others how to play.

unless ofc someone can tell me how a botter actually affects my gameplay. apart from the cheap ore (which really by the amounts needed isn't cheap)

Fuzzy Wuzzi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.05.09 12:14:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Norrin Ellis
A friend of mine plays an old MMORPG (Ultima Online) on a free server. The rules prohibit any resource gathering by macro. When a complaint is lodged with the GM, the GM takes the simple step of showing up and talking to the person suspected of breaking the rules. If no response is made within a short (but reasonable) amount of time, the player is placed in a jail for a specified period of time and given a warning. The second offense results in a ban.

It seems to me that GMs could really make things harder on macro miners by doing something similar. It's reasonable to expect that people who are actually playing the game should be able to respond to a GM.

Lol, wow that takes me back. I'm not sure which is more boring... mining in UO or mining in Eve?
Anyways, I can think of a good reason why that wouldn't work. I remember using a program called EasyUO with a script that took all the ore you mined and put it in a mule and deposited everything in your bank via recall runes (the equivalent of hauling in Eve). I also remember editing it to scan chat logs and look for certain words in case a GM was questioning me... the script would then respond with one of many random short greetings and either would continue mining or say "gtg, bye!" and logout, if the GM didn't leave. So, I'm pretty sure they could make a script that could get around something like that, or just logout to avoid it. Also, idk how many GMs there are in Eve but the reason they can police people like that in UO is there are only a few hundred people on at a given time.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.09 12:26:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: ko4e
Originally by: Vandiilo
1. I've never been that concerned about what anyone else does in-game.

2. If they set up a macro to suicide gank me or spam me that would **** me off, otherwise: see point 1.


exactly, too many people telling others how to play.

unless ofc someone can tell me how a botter actually affects my gameplay. apart from the cheap ore (which really by the amounts needed isn't cheap)


Cheap enough to render my hulk useless. For ordinary miners it is just not worth mining with prices so low.

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2011.05.09 13:09:00 - [77]
 

Op, they ignore the Russians. What makes you think they care about these?

Seriously have you looked at the Sov Map lately? Welcome your Russian overlords and their Mob ties.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.09 13:15:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
Op, they ignore the Russians. What makes you think they care about these?

Seriously have you looked at the Sov Map lately? Welcome your Russian overlords and their Mob ties.


NC alt ( who lost recently his space ) detected Laughing


Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2011.05.09 13:18:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Kuseka Adama
Op, they ignore the Russians. What makes you think they care about these?

Seriously have you looked at the Sov Map lately? Welcome your Russian overlords and their Mob ties.


NC alt ( who lost recently his space ) detected Laughing




Not an alt actually. Check the actual character. I went inactive for Rift three months ago. I decided to Reactivate and i log on to find that situation

Btw. If you check a forum history with me you'll find i've been Harping on the Russian RMT connections in the past.

I was forced to leave about 500 mill in ZLZ they didnt get my carrier though when i snuck it out from their noses in LS-Jep :P

NSC left RAGE alliance yesterday. Hence why no alliance tag currently.

Harkim Fulmar
Posted - 2011.05.09 13:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Suddenly Boom
Edited by: Suddenly Boom on 09/05/2011 10:51:25
Originally by: Harkim Fulmar
The 'Power of Two' Alliance is also alive and well in Finanar (Metropolis).

These asshats regularly leave hordes of drones behind as the server shuts down for DT. I was strongly suspecting bots but this looks like some reasonable evidence (op). Feel free to go there and shoot them (but not third parties please, that would be a bad thing Shocked )


You say they're in finanar? Not any group of theirs that I know about. What's their corp name, or one their character names?

BTW did anyone notice that the power of two alliance was formed by Rus Acedemy. Now it's starting to make sense, why most of their corp names end in "corp" for example, Baneblade JG Corp Corporation. Who else thinks having corp at the end of your name is good? Rus Corp. A coincidence? I dunno, is it a coincidence that most of these macrominer names are russian names?



Apologies, you are correct. Had a look over the belt in the last few hours and they are all gone from local. Last saw them late last month. And yes, absolutely Russian.

An 'anti botting' channel would be great, I know this has been spoken of before, however be aware you would have some 'owners' coming in for prior warning.


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