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Risque Rens
Posted - 2011.05.02 00:33:00 - [1]
 

Was reading up a bit on pirate epic arcs and people suggest either AF, Inty or even a destroyer. They also claim getting to the missions can be the hardest part due to gate camps.

I am sure I am not the first to think about using a stealth bomber instead, but couldn't really find anyone describing a working fit. So started up EFT and made a quick one myself. Would this work at all? Enough DPS and tank? It's only for the epic arcs of course. I am sure it can be tweaked some. Shield resist amplifier would be mission specific. Using cheap T2 modules aside from the Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster, which isn't *that* pricey.

[Manticore, Pirate Epic Arc]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
1MN Afterburner II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Sjugar
Posted - 2011.05.02 00:41:00 - [2]
 

This fit does a maximum of 61 dps which will not be enough to crack Dagans shields.

Risque Rens
Posted - 2011.05.02 00:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Sjugar
This fit does a maximum of 61 dps which will not be enough to crack Dagans shields.


*Pirate* epic arcs, not the SoE one.

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.05.02 00:52:00 - [4]
 

When I was doing the Sansha part of the amarr epic arc in low sec I used a bomber, till the last few missions where I used a tengu. Now the Gurista's and angel ones are a bit different, and AFAIK only allow frigate class ships in the mission gates. For me, it was simple keep the enemies far away, which is why I used torps, due to being able to sit 50+km away and keep the frigs at range.

Assuming that you fight elite frigates on those missions like the missions I did, torps will take a while to kill them, your standard missles may kill them quicker, but I have my doubts on the range that they will get. That and I wouldn't throw anything faction on it, remember you still can't warp thru bubbles a good interceptor pilot along with a dictor (or an anchored bubble) will still kill you very easily. Anyway this was my fit and I was pretty happy with it, but it was very slow to kill stuff with:

[Nemesis, PVE]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I

I did feel there was room for improvement, but this fit has yet to get me killed in stain or in low sec. I would reccomend you take a thrasher BPC with you just in case that once you get there and read the mission reports you can decide if it is worth it to risk your bomber or not (I.e. don't take the bomber on missions where the initial group contains webbers and is within 20km of you). Also when I took damage I just warped to my safe, Range is this ships tank, to try and get regen or boosting to levels to take any mission would be a tall order.

Centus Commander
Posted - 2011.05.02 02:03:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Risque Rens

Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
[empty high slot]



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McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.05.02 06:40:00 - [6]
 

I assume that you are aware that stealth bombers use torps, though you used standard missile launchers on your fit. Is it because you wanted to have that covert ops cloak together with a suitable weapon system against frigs?

I can tell you that torpedoes dont really work against frigates and frigates is nearly everything you will encounter in the epic arcs. I currently raise my standings slowly by ratting in a Manticore and had to kill some frigates which scrambled me. Even with a target painter it takes ages so its out of the question. Your fit does not enough DPS, as stated.

I did the Minmatar epic arc with a Dramiel... expensive but the best you can get for it probably. Otherwise, get a ceptor, AF's are probably too slow on gates and you will run into a gatecamp.

Tub Chil
Posted - 2011.05.02 08:43:00 - [7]
 

Just use crow with standard missile launchers and MWD. don't warp from gate to gate and you'll be fine. also make BM-s at the gates and undocks.

Risque Rens
Posted - 2011.05.02 08:43:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: McRoll
I assume that you are aware that stealth bombers use torps, though you used standard missile launchers on your fit. Is it because you wanted to have that covert ops cloak together with a suitable weapon system against frigs?


Exactly, this is for the pirate epic arcs only (angel and guristas), which primarily is against other frigs and destroyers. They are supposedly designed so that even the DPS of an inty is enough.

This fit does roughly the same DPS as a Crow (slightly less) against small targets. Lower speed obviously, but better tank, and it has the covert cloak. So on EFT paper it looks doable, but reality might be different, which is why I am asking here. Smile

McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.05.02 09:29:00 - [9]
 

I cant remember any more, are there acceleration gates and which ships do they let through? If cruiser sized craft are possible, you can take a Pilgrim in there, would be perfect- covops cloak and bonused drones. But its probably only frigate sized craft....

Dracnys
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.02 12:06:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: McRoll
I cant remember any more, are there acceleration gates and which ships do they let through? If cruiser sized craft are possible, you can take a Pilgrim in there, would be perfect- covops cloak and bonused drones. But its probably only frigate sized craft....


There are acceleration gates in all missions so you can't use anything bigger than a destroyer.

I suggest using an interceptor if you're worried about camps. Just don't warp from gate to gate, watch local and make insta-undocks. Also remember that you can dock again safely after undocking if you don't do anything. If you land in a camp: Don't panic, overheat MWD and fly to the gate/outside of the bubble and warp away depends on what's faster.
An assault frigate works too and makes the missions much easier but it's much slower than an inty and might get caught if you're not cautious.
Best option IMO is to use a covert ops transport to sneak in an assault frigate for the missions and a covert ops vessel to move the rewards.

Themba Uhlobo
Posted - 2011.05.03 00:50:00 - [11]
 

A Manticore does fine for all the missions in the angel epic arc, with the exception of the last mission. It will not work for the last mission because the ship restrictions will not let you take a stealth bomber in the mission space. A Manticore does fine with siege launchers + a target painter. Your setup with the standard missiles might be a better choice given the small targets you encounter.

I have not done the guristas arc so I don't know if any ship restrictions factor in there. You need something besides the bomber for the final angel arc mission.

Nerror theTerror
Posted - 2011.05.03 14:49:00 - [12]
 

Thanks for the replies all. :)

The last mission not allowing SBs does kinda suck.. so either switch out for that one mission or use an inty or perhaps a blockade runner carrying an AF.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.05.03 15:24:00 - [13]
 

Hmm... fitting a Stealth Bomber to hit frigs... Twisted Evil

Id use torps for the range (that takes care of needing tank),
then fit a pair of TP II, and small warhead flare catalist I rigs (2 of them), that along with BCSII in the lows should give you ok damage projection (decent target painter skills help hear alot).
an afterburner II in the mid and the rest as preferance (id nano for those gate camps getting there).

this is what i got for my hound...

[Crazy frig hunting SB]Hound,

Balistic Control Unit II
Balistic Control Unit II
Nanofibre Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburnner II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II

'Arbalist' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalist' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalist' Siege Missile Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
-empty slot-

Small Warhead Flare Catalist I
Small Warhead Flare Catalist I


 

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