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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.02 22:13:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people.



This is a contest of... who is the most evil ?

Michael Bross
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.02 22:40:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people.



This is a contest of... who is the most evil ?


Should I assume Amarrians no longer recognize sarcasm?

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.05.02 23:41:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people.



This is a contest of... who is the most evil ?


Should I assume Amarrians no longer recognize sarcasm?


I believe they've managed to breed it out of the Ammatar like Lyn.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.03 04:54:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people. The Amarrians use of Vitoc and its sentence of service or death should be a shining example of freedom for the masses. Better, your beloved Kingdom has devolved to the level of the Sansha in their preference for 'Transcranial Microcontrollers'. What better way to offer freedom to the masses than to reprogram their neural pathways so that they see everything they do as a state of freedom and bliss.

Your God is dead, it is your avarice and greed that propel your Empire now.



The use of VITOC in Greater Amarr and TCMCs here in Khanid is generally reserved for the processing of new slaves that are culled from criminals and prisoners of war. Unlike the Nation, where the personality is erased and reprogrammed, we merely adjust the individual so that they may better serve society. We do not make drones. We rehabilitate the criminal minded and cure the sociopathic and viloent tendencies that all governments find undesirable.

We do not offer "freedom to the masses." "Freedom" is an illusion. "Freedom" is a lie.

Oh and Victoria. I'm still waiting your arrival. Did you get lost? I can provide a map for you if you'd like.

Does Mr. Bross know about your past? Do you think he knows about the many Minmatar you've murdered before you duped U'K into taking you in? Or does he, like the rest of the U'K leadership, secretly support your mass killing of Minmatar?


Kohiko Sun
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2011.05.03 07:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
The use of VITOC in Greater Amarr and TCMCs here in Khanid is generally reserved for the processing of new slaves that are culled from criminals and prisoners of war. Unlike the Nation, where the personality is erased and reprogrammed, we merely adjust the individual so that they may better serve society. We do not make drones. We rehabilitate the criminal minded and cure the sociopathic and viloent tendencies that all governments find undesirable.
It is a pity there seems to be a confusion of methods of control for rehabilitation.

TCMCs do have their medical uses, yes. They can and have been used to treat conditions from epilepsy to regulating imbalances in the brain activity of true sociopathic individuals, such as serial murderers. In these standard uses, they give the person help so he, not an outside entity, can control himself.

The Vitoxin-Vitoc method has no benefit that was unfortunately turned into a method of removing choice. A biological warfare agent, in this case a rapidly mutating virus named Vitoxin, settles in the body - notably in the liver and bone marrow to take away the possibility of blood filtration as a method to cure it.

The virus reproduces rapidly, poisoning the body so quickly that the time between the first symptoms and death can be measured in days. Symptoms build from dehydration and fever as the digestive system begins to be affected all the way to brain damage, lung damage, and pulmonary edema - congestive heart failure - at the end stages. The person dies from massive organ failures, including the heart swelling to the degree it cannot pump blood and the kidneys and liver no longer able to filter out the natural toxins that build in the bloodstream. The fever and hallucinations grow throughout the time as all of these natural and viral toxins and failures build in the body. A fortunate victim falls into a coma before the end comes as a burning nightmare strangling him from the inside.

The Vitoc half of the method is equally morbid. It is only a daily 'reset button' for the virus, keeping it dormant for approximately twenty-four hours when a new dose must be given. But, that is not all it does. It was designed to act as a euphoric drug, a narcotic. It creates its own psychological and physical addictions in the victim so that, even without the 'reset button' against the virus, it would be craved and cause suffering in the case of withdrawal.

How does combining biological warfare with drug peddling create rehabilitation?


Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.03 10:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Michael Bross
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people.



This is a contest of... who is the most evil ?


Should I assume Amarrians no longer recognize sarcasm?


Same remark returned to you.

Added to that it was actually a mere statement in which UK is considered to have a quite good rate in "evil stuff" by a lot of people.

Originally by: Victoria Stecker
Originally by: Michael Bross
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Michael Bross

Yes, we are such evil evil people.



This is a contest of... who is the most evil ?


Should I assume Amarrians no longer recognize sarcasm?


I believe they've managed to breed it out of the Ammatar like Lyn.


Coming from someone that usually visits a lot of amarrian liberal places and channels, I am surprised by such a narrow mind. But it is actually very revealing of parasites that just come around to profit from it rather than learn.

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.03 10:33:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Kohiko Sun
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
The use of VITOC in Greater Amarr and TCMCs here in Khanid is generally reserved for the processing of new slaves that are culled from criminals and prisoners of war. Unlike the Nation, where the personality is erased and reprogrammed, we merely adjust the individual so that they may better serve society. We do not make drones. We rehabilitate the criminal minded and cure the sociopathic and viloent tendencies that all governments find undesirable.
It is a pity there seems to be a confusion of methods of control for rehabilitation.

TCMCs do have their medical uses, yes. They can and have been used to treat conditions from epilepsy to regulating imbalances in the brain activity of true sociopathic individuals, such as serial murderers. In these standard uses, they give the person help so he, not an outside entity, can control himself.

The Vitoxin-Vitoc method has no benefit that was unfortunately turned into a method of removing choice. A biological warfare agent, in this case a rapidly mutating virus named Vitoxin, settles in the body - notably in the liver and bone marrow to take away the possibility of blood filtration as a method to cure it.

The virus reproduces rapidly, poisoning the body so quickly that the time between the first symptoms and death can be measured in days. Symptoms build from dehydration and fever as the digestive system begins to be affected all the way to brain damage, lung damage, and pulmonary edema - congestive heart failure - at the end stages. The person dies from massive organ failures, including the heart swelling to the degree it cannot pump blood and the kidneys and liver no longer able to filter out the natural toxins that build in the bloodstream. The fever and hallucinations grow throughout the time as all of these natural and viral toxins and failures build in the body. A fortunate victim falls into a coma before the end comes as a burning nightmare strangling him from the inside.

The Vitoc half of the method is equally morbid. It is only a daily 'reset button' for the virus, keeping it dormant for approximately twenty-four hours when a new dose must be given. But, that is not all it does. It was designed to act as a euphoric drug, a narcotic. It creates its own psychological and physical addictions in the victim so that, even without the 'reset button' against the virus, it would be craved and cause suffering in the case of withdrawal.

How does combining biological warfare with drug peddling create rehabilitation?




Personally I do not use Vitoc/vitoxin except in slaves who already infected. Not that I belive it to be wrong but because i do not belive it to be needed and is overkill.

But to explain its use is slaves in a extreme trust possition like say on a starship where everyone being completely loyal one way or another is a requirement.
Is it the best? Well for keeping control but the bad press it gets I belive that there maybe other ways.

Slavery is a touchy issue and I understand that. Taking away someones free will and subjecting them to work they don't want for the rest of thier days can seem crule.

I'm not going to pretend that Amarrian customs are gentle in any stretch of the imagination. We are a hard cold people who belive that suffering makes us strong and keeps us purified. We have countless customs that demand blood of both the lowest slaves and even the lives of our heirs.

Arguing the merits of slavery as a means to anythign to the Matari and Gallente is pointless.

However perhapes if the good holders of both the Kingdom and the Empire unite to removed the abuse of power by holders maybe someday we can let this matter drop.
Slavery is never going to go away for the Amarr, its part of who we are going back countless generations. What I hope will go away is the pointless need to sit on slave families for generations along with the abuse of power by holders.

Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:11:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Kithrus
Personally I do not use Vitoc/vitoxin except in slaves who already infected. Not that I belive it to be wrong but because i do not belive it to be needed and is overkill.

But to explain its use is slaves in a extreme trust possition like say on a starship where everyone being completely loyal one way or another is a requirement.
Is it the best? Well for keeping control but the bad press it gets I belive that there maybe other ways.

Slavery is a touchy issue and I understand that. Taking away someones free will and subjecting them to work they don't want for the rest of thier days can seem crule.

I'm not going to pretend that Amarrian customs are gentle in any stretch of the imagination. We are a hard cold people who belive that suffering makes us strong and keeps us purified. We have countless customs that demand blood of both the lowest slaves and even the lives of our heirs.

Arguing the merits of slavery as a means to anythign to the Matari and Gallente is pointless.

However perhapes if the good holders of both the Kingdom and the Empire unite to removed the abuse of power by holders maybe someday we can let this matter drop.
Slavery is never going to go away for the Amarr, its part of who we are going back countless generations. What I hope will go away is the pointless need to sit on slave families for generations along with the abuse of power by holders.


Release our people from the abuse of power and 'hard cold people' and I'd be far more willing to entertain the notion of leaving the Empire in peace to 'be who you are'.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:36:00 - [39]
 

Good luck freedom fighters. Only good slaver is a dead slaver.

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:57:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Kithrus on 03/05/2011 16:59:46
Quote:

Release our people from the abuse of power and 'hard cold people' and I'd be far more willing to entertain the notion of leaving the Empire in peace to 'be who you are'.


Believe me I want to but such things do not happen in a day even if we want them too.
My best advice you you my dear is to not do anything that will make the problem worse.

That said be well daughter of the Matari

Quote:
Good luck freedom fighters. Only good slaver is a dead slaver.


Care to come over for tea?

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.05.04 01:05:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Oh and Victoria. I'm still waiting your arrival. Did you get lost? I can provide a map for you if you'd like.

Does Mr. Bross know about your past? Do you think he knows about the many Minmatar you've murdered before you duped U'K into taking you in? Or does he, like the rest of the U'K leadership, secretly support your mass killing of Minmatar?


If by mass killing of Minmatar you mean the murder of one of your voluntary capsuleer slaves... I don't think they care.

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Coming from someone that usually visits a lot of amarrian liberal places and channels, I am surprised by such a narrow mind. But it is actually very revealing of parasites that just come around to profit from it rather than learn.


I was making a joke, dear, and pointing out that you're not Amarrian. That said, you are a little stiff for my tastes, I prefer Minmatar that know how to party.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.04 14:44:00 - [42]
 

Well Victoria, for one, there is the loss of one of my own slaves. When U’K says, “We come for our people,” do they mean “Even if we have to kill them?”

Of course it should be noted that you and your partner Rogue Steel also carved out the slave’s implants. It should be also noted that in the process of taking one capsuleer, you also killed a dozen or so Minmatar slaves that were only trying to defend themselves.

Of further interest is that you and Rogue were performing a “daimonizomai ritual.” And that at the behest of your former CEO, you sold the implants to the Nation and that this was done just a few weeks before they started their incursions. Incursions which have lead to millions of Matari deaths throughout the galaxy.

You and your friend Rouge both stated over comms and here on IGS that you:


Posted - 2010.03.25 17:16:00 - [1]

Sewn Together Wrong alliance <METAL> claims full responsibility for the Pashanai incident.

Mervan Moritok was specifically targeted in this attack. Through divination we have received instruction from the underworld that the Imperial High Deacon, being one of the greatest threats to our sacred dogma, his soul was forfeit and desired as sacrifice. His life essence drained in demonic ritual is the first of many keys we seek.

Written in the gospel of Hinketsu, and in the scriptures of several recent Imperial cults, it is believed that Heaven can be reached through a wormhole. What is not commonly circulated is that the gates of Hell too can be found on the other side of a wormhole. It is our mission to seek out the gates and open them, releasing unholy destruction upon New Eden.

The will of Hell be done.



While this was an Amarr station and a prominent Amarr was the target, the bombing still resulted in the deaths of a great many innocent Matari, both slave and free who were on the station at the time of the attack.

Of course past this was your implication in the death of the Minmatar-born pilot, Oland Jen.

And all of this in the past year! Right before you slunk away and conned U’K into accepting the both of you.

You and Rouge have zero interest in “freeing” anyone. You are mass murderers and your membership in U’K only serves to prove that they are cut from the same unholy cloth.

And no, really. I’ll even pay the charge so you can afford a locator agent to point out exactly where I am.

Just because the rest of U’K’s war tactics involve sitting cloaked in a system for several hours, I thought at least you and Rouge could muster up some spirit and make the trip out here.

Have a nice day.



Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:51:00 - [43]
 

Actually Brother they finally made an appearance today and inflicted some losses on our allies before being showed the exit. Timing being everything, unfortunately I was not there to greet them in person and take charge of the fight, but I'm sure that will soon be the case.

Be seeing you.


Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.05 00:03:00 - [44]
 

I saw this Lady Silas.

Slave Borza lead a very heroic assault against an unarmed Noctics. And he only needed two other ships to help him!

(We'll reserve judgment on the Noctis pilot's wisdom...it's not like U'K had attacked much beforehand.)

I hit space immediately afterwards, but couldn't find anyone who seemed willing to engage a warship.

Oh well. Now that they actually found a working nav computer, maybe we'll see more of them.

Silence iKillYouu
The innocent criminals
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:27:00 - [45]
 

And u shall have my sword.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.05 11:20:00 - [46]
 

Odd, it's mostly your allies who have been actively looking for combat while your pilots prefer to cower in station or hunt Blood Raiders if they feel safe. Your coalitions fleets have been largely unsuccessful, as have the few of your pilots who would actually fly with them.

And yes, I choose my targets based on what I and my allies who happen to be nearby can face, and avoid those we can't. Is that in some way unusual?

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.05 14:29:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
Odd, it's mostly your allies who have been actively looking for combat while your pilots prefer to cower in station or hunt Blood Raiders if they feel safe. Your coalitions fleets have been largely unsuccessful, as have the few of your pilots who would actually fly with them.

And yes, I choose my targets based on what I and my allies who happen to be nearby can face, and avoid those we can't. Is that in some way unusual?


It's a matter of perspective, of course. I view it as after about a week, there's been very few full actions from either side. As the aggressor, I expected more of a showing from your side. Getting off a successful bushwhack every so often doesn’t exactly add up to the mighty U'K fleets of that I initially expected. The blooders don't use cloaking devices, so we might as well kill them while we wait to kill you.

Your actions don't match your rhetoric. But if that's how you wage war, so be it.





Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.05 14:37:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
Odd, it's mostly your allies who have been actively looking for combat while your pilots prefer to cower in station or hunt Blood Raiders if they feel safe. Your coalitions fleets have been largely unsuccessful, as have the few of your pilots who would actually fly with them.



Heathen cloaking devices seem to function just fine whenever I'm in the area. I'm beginning to wonder if I in fact produce that effect upon all of you, or just the more timid ones.

As for 'hiding in stations,' well if I have evidence of our pilots not pursuing the enemy whilst there are -engabable- and non-cloaked targets about, then there will be some explaining to do from my subordinates.

Ship crews do occasionally enjoy a good flogging of their captain dispensed by a superior officer.


Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.05 15:59:00 - [49]
 

Ah yes, "heathen" cloaking devices. One of your pilots was complaining about such Caldari technology a couple of days ago. Funny, considering Khanid Innovation are quite happy to base their weapons and shield systems on Caldari ones.

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.05.05 22:03:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

It's a matter of perspective, of course. I view it as after about a week, there's been very few full actions from either side. As the aggressor, I expected more of a showing from your side. Getting off a successful bushwhack every so often doesn’t exactly add up to the mighty U'K fleets of that I initially expected. The blooders don't use cloaking devices, so we might as well kill them while we wait to kill you.

Your actions don't match your rhetoric. But if that's how you wage war, so be it.



Aw, you were hoping we'd show up in one big fleet, weren't you? Maybe at a pre-arranged place and time? If only war were as simplistic as your view of the world. We are more than happy to be patient, I hope we won't be going away any time soon.

How long did Ushra'Khan hound CVA? A few years, before I was even a capsuleer? Yeah, we have plenty of time to play. You and your friends only outnumber us, what, five to one? Maybe more?

See you soon!


Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2011.05.05 23:42:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
The use of VITOC in Greater Amarr and TCMCs here in Khanid is generally reserved for the processing of new slaves that are culled from criminals and prisoners of war. Unlike the Nation, where the personality is erased and reprogrammed, we merely adjust the individual so that they may better serve society. We do not make drones. We rehabilitate the criminal minded and cure the sociopathic and viloent tendencies that all governments find undesirable.


The ingenuity of every unique being is valued by the Nation. The mind is not erased for those becoming apart of the unity. Every mind, no matter its origins, has a place. Drones are simple machines to create, Sinjin Mokk, the Gallente know this quite well. I would have thought as a Khanid, you would too.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.07 06:53:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter
The ingenuity of every unique being is valued by the Nation. The mind is not erased for those becoming apart of the unity. Every mind, no matter its origins, has a place. Drones are simple machines to create, Sinjin Mokk, the Gallente know this quite well. I would have thought as a Khanid, you would too.


Perhaps you would be kind enough to show in detail how the "enhancement" of your captives is accomplished?


Silence iKillYouu
The innocent criminals
Posted - 2011.05.07 11:47:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Silence iKillYouu
And u shall have my sword.

And my AXE

Xious
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.08 00:37:00 - [54]
 

"Boys, its time for war! Let us prepare our morse code signals and prepare wood to make some smoke-signals. We're taking this fight to the stations! There ships will crush against the exterior walls of the station and we shall claim victory! (on Gal-net) "

- "Silas Vitalia", CEO, Vanguard Imperium

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2011.05.08 12:03:00 - [55]
 

We come for your people.

Very Happy

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.08 12:05:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
We come for your people.

Very Happy


And that's why we're coming after yours.

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.09 01:18:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Ugleb

And that's why we're coming after yours.


Your pilots seem much less keen when I bring a fleet through.

I'd work on instructing them on how to switch off those cloaking devices. They seem to be stuck in the 'on' position, at least whenever I'm in the area.

I knew they were scared of me beforehand.....but this constant running away whenever I enter the system is really quite sad.



farrudarr
Posted - 2011.05.20 21:12:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Ugleb

And that's why we're coming after yours.


Your pilots seem much less keen when I bring a fleet through.

I'd work on instructing them on how to switch off those cloaking devices. They seem to be stuck in the 'on' position, at least whenever I'm in the area.

I knew they were scared of me beforehand.....but this constant running away whenever I enter the system is really quite sad.






Thats all they ever have done , and will do , hit and run , ether way there not a force that will ever matter.

I personally like slavery , whips and chains are alot more fun!

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.05.20 21:54:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Ugleb

And that's why we're coming after yours.


Your pilots seem much less keen when I bring a fleet through.

I'd work on instructing them on how to switch off those cloaking devices. They seem to be stuck in the 'on' position, at least whenever I'm in the area.

I knew they were scared of me beforehand.....but this constant running away whenever I enter the system is really quite sad.





You do understand that when living in your sovereign space we sleep in our ships, yes? For days at a time. Or perhaps not. It must be a rather alien idea to you pampered weaklings. You need your comforts.


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