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Ceptia Cyna
Posted - 2011.04.24 18:19:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ceptia Cyna on 24/04/2011 18:20:44
Edited by: Ceptia Cyna on 24/04/2011 18:20:26
I just cant decide, help me compare them for my subjective needs pls. I want to start PVP in T2 Frigs after i had a bit fun with my Drake but i cant decide if i go Amarr or Caldari or in the end have to go both?


Purifier vs. Manticore

People say Purifier is better for solo due to EM Damage Torps but isnt this only the case when hunting especialy for Ravens or the like, isnt Kinetic viable as most Armortankers have at least 50% base EM Resist? The Manticore seems to be more versatile due to 1 more midslot if and i want to stress this if a TP or a two Sensordampers are a neccecity which i have no proof for.

What to prefer in Solo and what in a small Gang?


Vengeance vs. Hawk

Hawk has the Range to keep him out of Web/Scram, Vengeance (Rockets) needs to be under 7km, i see the Hawk as a clear winner but i guess i maybe miss something due to no experience with eiter.

I guess the main use is a solosetup? If i gang up with friends i would choose another T2?


Interceptors vs. Interceptors

They all seem to perform rather equal, long point range and short weapon range against drones, wait the gang to jump in and finish the job. Or did i miss something elementary?

No solo intentions here but if i had caldari would have more range again wouldnt they?


tldr
Amarr or Caldari T2 Frigs (Stealthbombers/Interceptors/Assautships) for a) solo b) small gang and why?

best regards

Emilya Tatsuki
Posted - 2011.04.24 18:28:00 - [2]
 

In my personal opinion the Caldari and Amarr T2 frigs are terrible compared to the Gallente and the Minmatar.
Most of the Pirate frigs are also better for around the same price.

Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.24 18:34:00 - [3]
 

last I checked pirate frigs cost a lot more than T2 frigs

Ceptia Cyna
Posted - 2011.04.24 18:42:00 - [4]
 

I accept that gallente and minmatar would be better but i do not intend to fly either. Thanks.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.24 18:51:00 - [5]
 

Rockets can fire out to 10km+ so I don't know why you think the vengeance can't operate at scram/web range. Check out Maledictions for an underrated Interceptor. As far as the Manticore goes I believe for solo you really want to be choosing either the Purifier or the Hound. Obviously if you don't want to fly Minnie then this limits your options and as such I'd just stick with Purifiers to be honest.

Also if you are interested in Amarr Inties you should also consider a 20km+ nano Slicer, it's awesome.

Ceptia Cyna
Posted - 2011.04.24 19:00:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Ceptia Cyna on 24/04/2011 19:00:26
Yeah i dont like the Minmatar or Gallente Ships and i dont want to fly Fotm to be honest.

You are right i could boost Rockets to about 15km with T2 Javeline loosing some Afterburner Speed (630 to 861) but be out of Range to all but overheated Faction Webifiers.

The Hawk could achieve 22km with Javeline or 63km with light missiles loosing significant DPS on Rockets and some on Light Missiles.

Navy Slicer? I will have a look.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.04.24 19:00:00 - [7]
 

Neither lineup is the best, but I'd say Amar is better overall. For sb, it's more clear cut. Purifier is pretty much the best sb in game, much of it owing to damage type.

Ceptia Cyna
Posted - 2011.04.24 19:03:00 - [8]
 

Ok guys enlight me. I dont get the stuff with the Damage Type for the Purifier over the Manticore. I know all Stealth Bomber can fit all Bombs and are just fixed in Torp Damage due to the bonus.

But why is EM (Purifier) more valid then Kinetic (Manticore) when i look up Ships nearly all of them have 0% EM Shield but 50%+ EM Amor and mixed Kinetic. Would i only choose "Shieldtanks" as Targets?

Renarla
Posted - 2011.04.24 22:56:00 - [9]
 

The Crusader is a really nice Interceptor, and both of the Amarr Assault Ships aren't half bad either. The Crow has seen better days but it's still pretty good. The Harpy is definitely a passable AF as well.

rumncock
Posted - 2011.04.24 23:00:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: rumn**** on 24/04/2011 23:02:16
Originally by: Ceptia Cyna
Ok guys enlight me. I dont get the stuff with the Damage Type for the Purifier over the Manticore. I know all Stealth Bomber can fit all Bombs and are just fixed in Torp Damage due to the bonus.


Well torps are the only thing that matters for solo work. The manticore has fitting issues, try fitting an medium shield extender and you'll see that it starts going down hill very fast, and that's not really something you want to ignore for solo work since the boost to your ehp is massive.

Then we have damage types, which is a lesser issue than what I already mentioned but still huge. em is popular because a majority of care bears are shield tanked but if this isn't true in Your region and you're not planning to move then adapt to your own circumstances. Shield tanked ships also have an tendency to field less drones which is nice since those can really screw up your solo plans.

As with all solo work you need to limit your target selection, if you think it's a big deal "only" to choose shieldtanks as targets you're in for a suprise when you try this out for realsies.

edit: always hated the caldari t2 frigs but with rocket changes it's not impossible that they're quite good.dunno.

Lady Arroway
Posted - 2011.04.24 23:03:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ceptia Cyna
Ok guys enlight me. I dont get the stuff with the Damage Type for the Purifier over the Manticore. I know all Stealth Bomber can fit all Bombs and are just fixed in Torp Damage due to the bonus.

But why is EM (Purifier) more valid then Kinetic (Manticore) when i look up Ships nearly all of them have 0% EM Shield but 50%+ EM Amor and mixed Kinetic. Would i only choose "Shieldtanks" as Targets?


because ratters over NC space have mainly kinetic ressists YARRRR!!

seriously though, the purifier can fit more BCUs therefore having more DPS over the manticore and it can fit a medium shield extender wich doubles your EHP.

frankly the manticore is probably the worst SB if not in par with nemesis.
Hound
Purifier
Nemesis
Manticore

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.24 23:19:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ceptia Cyna
You are right i could boost Rockets to about 15km with T2 Javeline loosing some Afterburner Speed (630 to 861) but be out of Range to all but overheated Faction Webifiers.

The Hawk could achieve 22km with Javeline or 63km with light missiles loosing significant DPS on Rockets and some on Light Missiles.


Max skilled you can hit to 10.5km with faction rockets. You might be needing to level some missile support skills?

Gibbo3771
Posted - 2011.04.25 01:06:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 25/04/2011 01:06:39
I fly all 4 races and depends what your wanting to do.

If you like inties, ranis hands down.

If you a cookie cutter simple ship to fly, minmatar > jag. If you like challenge fly an ishkur.

If you like mass ehp, massive tank, mediocre dps with 9km range. you want the almighty vengeance.

Imo the 2 best and most fun frigates these days are the vengeace and hawk...why?, they used to be **** and everything would engage them regardless of the situation or ship being piloted.

They **** face so bad now its almost clear enough to say the vengeance is overpowered when flown properly.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.25 01:16:00 - [14]
 

As far as SBs go, Manticore/Nemesis is for hunting smaller targets (more painters, yaaaay) while Hound/Purifier are for downing heavy armor and shield tanks, respectively. Even then, the differences are fairly trivial, pick whatever fits the most common resist hole in the area you hunt and go with that.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.04.25 01:19:00 - [15]
 

I'd go with Caldari, I like the Hookbill and Harpy a lot and the Merlin is an incredibly good T1 frigate as well.

Arina Innana Ishtar
Posted - 2011.04.25 02:03:00 - [16]
 

i Love my Vengeance 233/233 tank on lowest resist YARRRR!! S
You can have 2x cap stable Centii-C Type small Reps with navy 400, fit around 18+ on hold wiith 4 rocket: Win

The Sentinel imo is damn overpowered if flought right(to put it simple it can kill ANY laser/blaster ship)

Plocsk
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:08:00 - [17]
 

Harpy > Retri
Vengeance > Hawk
Raptor = Malediction
Crusader > Crow
Manti = Purifier

IMO

Why S0 Serious
Posted - 2011.04.25 11:18:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Why S0 Serious on 25/04/2011 11:20:00
Manticore: Clear #1 SB in the game due to slot layout (four mids? Yes please) and fitting capabilities. The others doesn't hold a candle of a chance, zero, nill, nuh-huh, this is the SB of SB's.

Purifier: The purifier is nice for one aspect and that is bombing runs as it can hold more bombs due to cargohold size. It does also have somewhat acceptable fitting capabilities.

Hound: Just putting this in here to compare it to the manticore. It's fast and that's good, however, it lacks the CPU to make use of that third low slot it gains over the manticore. Good for solo, though, if you need to run gates in 0.0 due to speed.

Crusader: More or less my favourite interceptor in the game after having tried all other races. The Crow is a poor, poor, ship. Only drawback is the lack of dual propulsion ability of the Taranis, but that's ok: AB for low sec, MWD for 0.0. Also depends on what role you want it to fill.

Malediction: Quite good compared to the raptor simply because it can actually be used to fight in as well without major headaches due to rockets always hitting. Can be dual propped or fitted with web to help kill drones.

Vengeance: The issues with the AF's are that you have a bit of a big decision on these. You got the vengeance which, by all means, is a great tank but at the same time you might find it a bit lacking in damage capabilities compared to the Jaguar, Wolf or Ishkur. It also needs cap boosters.

Retribution: One mid slot, can be used for damage on the side of a frigate fleet, but really, just get a vengeance so you can help your gang out with tackle. One mid slot holds this ship back.

Hawk: Can be fitted with a medium shield booster + cap booster or with a buffer that inclued a web, the latter fit dealing much more damage to frigs and drones due to web slowing your targets down, which rockets love.

Harpy: Surprisingly deadly and makes good use of hybrid ranges, but even so it lacks the speed to comfortably keep your targets at 7000m while you hit for full damage constantly. You can always dual web fit it to counter this, though, but that comes with the issue that is the lack of a tank. It's still a viable frigate.

Hope that helps you decide.

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.25 12:03:00 - [19]
 

Amarr inties are better for my money. The Raptor is notably bad and I don't think the Crow is up to much.

However amarr have the retribution so I suppose it balances out.

Ceptia Cyna
Posted - 2011.04.25 13:36:00 - [20]
 

Thank you all for the input. As i will mainly pvp in Caldari Space the Purifier seems to be the winner for my subjective purpose. I got some insight and guess training for Amarr Frigs V will not leave me with a totally wrong decission, i just have to pick my targets carefully but who has not to.

As my way is set this topic can be abandoned but in case for more contribution i will check back from time to time.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.04.25 14:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ceptia Cyna
Thank you all for the input. As i will mainly pvp in Caldari Space the Purifier seems to be the winner for my subjective purpose. I got some insight and guess training for Amarr Frigs V will not leave me with a totally wrong decission, i just have to pick my targets carefully but who has not to.

As my way is set this topic can be abandoned but in case for more contribution i will check back from time to time.


You do get a 25% bomb damage bonus for racial damage type. It's not nearly as big as torp dmg bonus, but still very significant. Most ships have either an em or explosives hole after fitting, sometimes both. The kinetic and heat resists in the middle tend to be the most hardened.


 

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