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AvanCade
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.02.09 07:29:00 - [61]
 

Expect an announcment of CA reforming soon. The reason why the alliance still excists on paper.

Specops
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
Posted - 2005.02.09 08:35:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: The Reporter
Originally by: Heid banger
Originally by: Raindrop
Originally by: TIvian
Edited by: TIvian on 08/02/2005 20:59:50
OK, So as you can see there are many different oppinions comming from my xCA colleagues. And again what it all points to is our lack of ability to agree on anything. And a good relationship gone bad. And like any bad relationship it has to end and move on.

Enemy's have their own distorted view of what happend...some of them bordering on delusions of grandeur!! But hey what ever helps you sleep at night.Shocked



Well IMHO I believe CA bit off more then they could chew in the first CFS vs CA war. And then didn't learn their lesson the second time either.




I am a proud member of the xCFS!!!!


wtf xcfs???? As said in earlier posts, every1 and his mates are falling over themselves to claim an unclaimable boast. CA is dead, even people in CA have their own opinions on why it died, but what has been broken up, has wrecked havoc on many a poor unsuspecting alliance.
We, xCA, have shown that your silly boasts on these forums about being uber n the No1 corp or alliance have been shown up to be untrue and in some cases mad utterings from people with foam coming out their mouth. If you look at the zonal maps that are issued on here you will see that everywhere other than Curse space has went into a flux of Crazed killing and habitual conflicts. This is what has developed from the disbandment of CA and to say CA died of being overwhelmed by enemy, seems a long way off the truth.
You felt safe in your own space where you could come and try to take on our men and women and then were able to go home and lay low to lick your wounds. Now you dont have that privilage anymore, Now u dont have the time for to take a breather, Now you dont have the time to recouperate your losses. NOW its our turn to visit you, to make you sample what our life was like, and to see if you have what it takes to be able to make wild claims of granduer. So far all have failed, to date the only people claiming eliteness havent yet been visited fully. These people will not have to wait long. Your time is coming and when it does, it will be swift, painful, and without mercy.

Long Live ALL the xCA Corps and to our enemies i wish you a costly and painful death.
Heidbanger


Bravo Bravo,
I for one cannot wait until you decide to visit Xetic space and shut the braggerts up once and for all.

And dont worry about their combat skills, they usually can only throw $$$ at a problem hoping it will go away.
They sure cant PvPugh


O plz they had 8 months to do it and we were their cloesest NMEs and look how far they got. 10 months after CA first started the war I'm selling shuttles in HLW for 40K and xCA or Imperial Crap or whatever they call themselves think they're l33t because there owning alliances that don't even control a entire region. Whats wrong? SE and XETIC to hot to handle? Were CAs "internal disputes" just an excuse to get out of the south and chase these newer alliances else where? xCA for teh w1n!

Irish Duff
Minmatar
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.02.09 09:15:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: TIvian
LaughingI keep reading these "when CA fell" posts.

CA did not FALL....Implying that CA was defeated.

CA was never defeated. YOU listening Ginger Magician? you can change your Title now!

The Councel desolved and the Corporations there in walked away.

No one person is responsible and it wasn't because of anything anyone did to CA.

We just couldn't get along with one another and like all bad relationships....it had to end.

IF we(the CA)wanted too we could reform and punish you all for thinking such dangerous thoughts!!!LaughingLaughing


Dude so true words especially bout Ginger Mc Smacktard. Hell if u wanna know where he hangs out just ask any1 and go pwn him im sure it be distracting fun. Current list of hangouts atm-

Onga - crom'ar lev\tjakka aka tjakkass
Pator- crom'ar lev\tjakka aka tjakkass
Rens - crom'ar lev\tjakka aka tjakkass
Evati - with either ginger\crom'ar lev
Illamur - with ginger
Meildolf - With ginger

Lol i love to c more than 1 person not liking this clown, and i love ruining his day Laughing

Lord Drax
Caldari
Z-Machines
Posted - 2005.02.09 12:15:00 - [64]
 

I love it when Xetic come all brave on the forums. Where were all these people when CA was attacking their space? They were safespotted.



Lord Drax
Caldari
Z-Machines
Posted - 2005.02.09 12:18:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Specops

O plz they had 8 months to do it and we were their cloesest NMEs and look how far they got. 10 months after CA first started the war I'm selling shuttles in HLW for 40K and xCA or Imperial Crap or whatever they call themselves think they're l33t because there owning alliances that don't even control a entire region. Whats wrong? SE and XETIC to hot to handle? Were CAs "internal disputes" just an excuse to get out of the south and chase these newer alliances else where? xCA for teh w1n!


Good for you, though i dont remember ever seeing you fighting CA.
SE were good opponents, but Xetic?? dont flatter yourselves.

Kulach
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.02.09 13:24:00 - [66]
 


Don't bother about Specops. He's just another Xetic clown trying to re-write history.


raistalin
Caldari
Viper-Squad
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2005.02.09 17:04:00 - [67]
 

What Josh said. Who cares now goddamn wish these threads would die (course now I'm bumping it :/ ).

I haven't talked to any XF who think they played some significant role in downfall of CA. We know it was internal. Only thing we'll point out is that we (at least my corp) flew with SE a fair amount and its not too much to think that some military pressure from those gangs provided a "push."

Seems like SPURM *wants* us to think this way. Sorry, I don't and don't care. Anyways, bring trooper into this he's only reasonable bloke.

Konietzko
Caldari
Best Served Cold.
Posted - 2005.02.09 17:38:00 - [68]
 

The CA never fell. We're still alive and well defending our territory.

VonKaplanek III
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.02.09 18:10:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: TIvian
LaughingI keep reading these "when CA fell" posts.

CA did not FALL....Implying that CA was defeated.

CA was never defeated. YOU listening Ginger Magician? you can change your Title now!

The Councel desolved and the Corporations there in walked away.

No one person is responsible and it wasn't because of anything anyone did to CA.

We just couldn't get along with one another and like all bad relationships....it had to end.

IF we(the CA)wanted too we could reform and punish you all for thinking such dangerous thoughts!!!LaughingLaughing



Your kidding right....? CA DID fall and it was becaseu of the exact reasons you stated... They had internal strife. They detroyed and dissolved themselves... SOn in fact Curse Alliance DiD fall... No doubt they will all be back in some form or another Kieretsu/Suprem/imperium etc... but the original Curse alliance under Isecara/Foyle DID fall/dissolve whatever....

dalman
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.09 19:18:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Lord Zap
I'm single handedly responsible for CA falling, go me.


Hell no. Everyone know it was me.

(Cause when I couldn't play anymore CA didn't have someone sitting at a safespot in HLW talking crap 5 hours a day. And so they directed their anger at other Cursies instead.)Wink

CmdoColin
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.02.09 22:31:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: CmdoColin on 09/02/2005 22:34:19
Good grief. I really am interested in the a/s/l of the people who say they solo'ed and beat CA all on their own. Can you count above 10 without taking your shoes off?

Lets have alittle think about what the members of this broken alliance are doing.
  1. VoFT ran away to the north so they'd never ever have to face bad people who'd want to hurt them again.
  2. Supremacy, black regin, and my own corp have obviously run away with them into the loving arms of NORAD, JQA and their mercs m0o for safety.
  3. Shinra I understand was last seen being cuddled by the PBL. I could be wrong, but I understand that Shinra have also turned to FA for additional help with their support group in dealing with the trauma of being defeated while in CA.
  4. The Russians obviously failed just how soundly beaten they were and consilidated their position. Maybe its a lauguge probelm and they didn't read on the forums they were beat.
  5. The Great Wildlands now hosts some of the ex-CA getting emotional with some other corps that were once CA, and have started a self help group. This self help group is designed so that the ex-CA members never have to put weapons on their ships again.
  6. Foyle and a few others have formed the anti war movement Force of Evil flowers. Don't know what's that about. But good luck guys on banning all weapons in eve. I can't bare to look at any weapons in game name without crying since I got beaten.
So thats six different splinters that I'm aware off. Oh yeah CA was beaten so they don't dare fight again. Yeah CA got pwned by outside sources, it not only took the fight out of them, it meant they were down to newbie ships to fight in and nothing else. Rolling Eyes

(for those of you having difficulty counting to 10 without taking your shoes off - please note this is called irony ).

My personal take on why CA dissolved - everyone seems to be ignoring some of the various threads in the old CA forum. Is this a political thing? I did go away before Christmas, and haven't been able to keep upto date (or even log in) as much as I want to. I saw all sorts of mess in that forum towards the end. Two corps falling out over a certain incident with a member from one CA corp with another CA corp near U-Q and council vote. It looked to me like certain CA corps were about to end up KoS to each other. Those 2 or 3 threads that were about 15 pages long each... Looked to me like CA as a whole had 6 different views on it - and look - there's six different factions. Seriously - what have I missed? Or are we just not airing our dirty laundry in public?

Primer Xenius
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.02.10 13:29:00 - [72]
 

Quote:
I love it when Xetic come all brave on the forums. Where were all these people when CA was attacking their space? They were safespotted.


Supremacy..supremacy. What I loved about you and your downfall is the fact that your the self proclaimed uber PVP gods of eve...No..no....uber uber PVP gods and all before you are crap especially those you could not defeat. XETIC in particular because well.. compared to you we are worthless, useless people who er..hold the biggest region in eve but thats just a technical point and irrelevant right?

Unfortunately, as the old saying goes, the arrogant gloat high and fall far while the meek bottom dwellers don't have much to lose.

I fondly remember quite a few times, how your forum warriors claimed XETIC would be a part of CA space. That was then downgraded to Immensea which Supremacy in particular at one stage claimed as its own. I even had Supremacy guys promising my that we would lose Immensea.

Look at you. You lost to those pathetic bunch of ISK hording carebears with no talent. Don't deny it..you claim that space and you don't have it. CA had a long time to do what it set out to do and it failed. Face the facts for once, we may be uberly crap but you lost to this.

So keep pulling your chains fellas and you enjoy your ..what is it now..3rd home?

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2005.02.10 14:20:00 - [73]
 

Semantics, semantics, semantics.

CA fell. Ca can rise again. A fall from power (the fall of a government) is a markedly drop in influence in it's state. CA no longer hold Curse, Wicked Creek, Great wildlands, and so on, thus they fell.

Whether they dissolve, move on, or reform somewhere else is completely irrelevant to the fact that CA, Curse Alliance, is a pitiful wretched thing of it's former strength. 1 corp and 24 members? That from over 2500 is what I call a fall.

Now, Force of Evil is a different matter. It consists of former CA and PA corps, both of which fell on their own. So far, however, FoE have not fallen, but ascended in power, which incidentally is the opposite of falling from power.

---

Did the Aztec kingdoms fall? Yes.
Did Stalin die? Yes.
Did the Americans walk on the moon before the Soviets? Yes.
Denying facts does not make them true. However, some situations become permanent and some can be remedied. Whether you like the facts of not is a completely different matter.

dollface
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2005.02.10 15:25:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Primer Xenius
Quote:
I love it when Xetic come all brave on the forums. Where were all these people when CA was attacking their space? They were safespotted.


Supremacy..supremacy. What I loved about you and your downfall is the fact that your the self proclaimed uber PVP gods of eve...No..no....uber uber PVP gods and all before you are crap especially those you could not defeat. XETIC in particular because well.. compared to you we are worthless, useless people who er..hold the biggest region in eve but thats just a technical point and irrelevant right?

Unfortunately, as the old saying goes, the arrogant gloat high and fall far while the meek bottom dwellers don't have much to lose.

I fondly remember quite a few times, how your forum warriors claimed XETIC would be a part of CA space. That was then downgraded to Immensea which Supremacy in particular at one stage claimed as its own. I even had Supremacy guys promising my that we would lose Immensea.

Look at you. You lost to those pathetic bunch of ISK hording carebears with no talent. Don't deny it..you claim that space and you don't have it. CA had a long time to do what it set out to do and it failed. Face the facts for once, we may be uberly crap but you lost to this.

So keep pulling your chains fellas and you enjoy your ..what is it now..3rd home?


What a load of bull. Stop deluding yourself. We all know that every time CA ventured into XIF space you were beaten so hard, that we could hear you cry all the way to Empire Space, where you stayed and mined veldspar for a month or two. The ones that stayed were all in safespots talking smack. Then when you got word from the ones that stayed out there, that our forces had left because we grew tired of flying around in your empty home systems looking for some kind of defence force of yours, you came crawling back from ES to your little mining spots and claimed victory on the forums, 'because you were still standing and CA had gone'.

You know, as well as everybody else, that you cant win over an alliance by killing them, only by occupation and constantly presence, cause as soon as the military have left, the miners can come crawling back and claim they are still standing.

Harry Voyager
Minmatar
Jolly Codgers
Posted - 2005.02.10 16:46:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Harry Voyager on 10/02/2005 16:46:30
Originally by: Primer Xenius

[...]



2004.10.11 was the last time Duke Drogler logged into Eve, aside from one time about two weeks ago. You might remember that, as we popped a Xetic Raven that night (about 4:00 Eve time), and I managed to get my Mauller torped at the same time.

Now I ask you, how does this relate to Omega leaving Immensia?

Aerick Dawn
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2005.02.10 18:00:00 - [76]
 

Dear Xetic Flameslingers,

I dont see you defending your brethren JQA like you said you would. It's just supremacy there, and considering your yap yap on the forums you could squish them like wet baguettes.

Keep up the forum yip yap, its mildly entertaining.

Scythmar
Caldari
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2005.02.10 18:25:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Val Amon
Maybe it was the spies that killed CA because whenever we had a big fleet of muppets we would never catch anything and it was no fun. When it was just the pvp corps and we'd kick all not in gang out of ts we'd massacre stuff. Or we'd say we're going one direction while the leaders would tell select scouts to go another way. So maybe SE did beat CA just in the most spineless ******ed way you can think of by using alt spies. Now we can go trounce everything since none of the alliances we crushed had time to get spies into our midst and if they do they just join anyway since we are so frickin unstoppable atm.


yes...and CA never used any spies...maybe you should buy one of those 'clues' Foyle was talking about. Rolling Eyes

Valdi
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.02.10 23:53:00 - [78]
 

Razzok ok mr attitude

Valdi
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.02.10 23:54:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Lord Zap
I'm single handedly responsible for CA falling, go me.


Hell no. Everyone know it was me.

(Cause when I couldn't play anymore CA didn't have someone sitting at a safespot in HLW talking crap 5 hours a day. And so they directed their anger at other Cursies instead.)Wink



hell yeah u little carebear dalman,, btw where are u anyways ? :P

Double G
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
Purge Alliance
Posted - 2005.02.11 22:32:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Double G on 11/02/2005 22:42:40
True Tiv, most of the leaders moved on to other games. Some leaders stayed, but the politics of such an alliance were making CA a second job. Everything needed a vote, everyone had a ***** about something, and essentially it got old. CA was the strongest alliance in game and Stain or FA or Xetic or "laughs" BOB could never take CA down. We went down on our own. So you could say CA "fell", New interests, new directions. This was all bound to happen, it was just a matter of time.

So, get over it. IF we still cared or had any interest CA would still be around, and we still would be the most hated alliance in game. I call it "envy". Call it what you want.

Glad to see FA is getting what is coming to them. YZ baby YZ......

I will always be proud of the old and still current yet not CA crew.

crice

MatrixVotf
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.02.11 23:12:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Primer Xenius
Quote:
I love it when Xetic come all brave on the forums. Where were all these people when CA was attacking their space? They were safespotted.


Supremacy..supremacy. What I loved about you and your downfall is the fact that your the self proclaimed uber PVP gods of eve...No..no....uber uber PVP gods and all before you are crap especially those you could not defeat. XETIC in particular because well.. compared to you we are worthless, useless people who er..hold the biggest region in eve but thats just a technical point and irrelevant right?

Unfortunately, as the old saying goes, the arrogant gloat high and fall far while the meek bottom dwellers don't have much to lose.

I fondly remember quite a few times, how your forum warriors claimed XETIC would be a part of CA space. That was then downgraded to Immensea which Supremacy in particular at one stage claimed as its own. I even had Supremacy guys promising my that we would lose Immensea.

Look at you. You lost to those pathetic bunch of ISK hording carebears with no talent. Don't deny it..you claim that space and you don't have it. CA had a long time to do what it set out to do and it failed. Face the facts for once, we may be uberly crap but you lost to this.

So keep pulling your chains fellas and you enjoy your ..what is it now..3rd home?



Maybe next time we gun for you, you wont have ATUK, Evol, SE to hold us back. Your ignoance is comical. Anyone who fought in Xetic space knows how rubbish you are. Face it, all you got going for you atm is geography.

Specops
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
Posted - 2005.02.12 00:20:00 - [82]
 

Maybe next time you wont declare war on everyone and claim how l33t you are. Do you also enjoy jumping in front of cars and sueing the driver?

Daakkon
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2005.02.12 00:34:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Specops
Maybe next time you wont declare war on everyone and claim how l33t you are. Do you also enjoy jumping in front of cars and sueing the driver?


well I know for a fact that they like to threaten to sue people Razz

Estios
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.02.12 00:43:00 - [84]
 

Is Ginger Magicians title 'super tard' ? If not then I concur he should change it.

other that that I dont wanna get into this debate again, snowboarding > forum wars

1 thing is though that the external pressure was at its highest at the exact time the internal pressures were blamed for breakup

Krapz
Minmatar
Sloppy Seconds
Posted - 2005.02.12 01:15:00 - [85]
 

I see valid points on both sides, but obviously everyone has a different point of view. As much as I wished the title of this thread could have been accurate, it isn't.

Yup, looks like we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one Cool But at least we got THAT one thing straight

Hey Wrangler... Can you do that thing you do? Laughing


Edoo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.02.12 17:16:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: TIvian
LaughingI keep reading these "when CA fell" posts.

CA did not FALL....Implying that CA was defeated.

CA was never defeated. YOU listening Ginger Magician? you can change your Title now!

The Councel desolved and the Corporations there in walked away.

No one person is responsible and it wasn't because of anything anyone did to CA.

We just couldn't get along with one another and like all bad relationships....it had to end.

IF we(the CA)wanted too we could reform and punish you all for thinking such dangerous thoughts!!!LaughingLaughing


i agree

Christopher Multsanti
Amarr
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2005.02.12 19:40:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 12/02/2005 19:40:21
The mutual loathing between Xetic and Iperium/Supremecy is certainly a sight to behold it seems every post on this board turns into massive flame war between these two sides.

So I ask when is the big showdown gonna be?

This forum war cannot go on for ever can it?


TIvian
Caldari
A1ONE Inc.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2005.02.13 11:44:00 - [88]
 

Hey Spec

no worries. I am sure that your days of missing CA are almost over. one of us should be coming to vist you soon. Just make sure to get your cabin in station ready and cozy. And don't forget to have the milk and cookies ready.


TIvian
Caldari
A1ONE Inc.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2005.02.13 11:45:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Estios
Is Ginger Magicians title 'super tard' ? If not then I concur he should change it.

other that that I dont wanna get into this debate again, snowboarding > forum wars

1 thing is though that the external pressure was at its highest at the exact time the internal pressures were blamed for breakup



I always Wubbed jooo!!!

Temi
Caldari
Temi Inc
Posted - 2005.02.13 15:16:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Temi on 13/02/2005 15:19:00
altho you can say CA fell from internal disagreements, what was the cause of it? cant say it suprise me if lots of it was cause of exactly external preasure :P

you see.. altho the military part of CA might have been doing good, the miners/carebears got slapped about hard every now and then, like when xan/fa was bussing about in cache/wicked creek etc, pretty sure others was doing the same all the time :o

now, mabye, just mabye part of the internal disagreements between the 'carebears' and the 'pvp'ers came from the fact that the miners was supposed to be taxed, for the 'protection' the pvp ppl offered them, but it was infact never any protection, cause the miners was left to fend for there own, while the pvp'ers was everywhere else finding new ppl to start shooting at, so even more ppl would come hunt the miners..

I'd be annoyed atleast Surprised

you cant really deny that outside force was part of the reason ca broke up..


and btw why does everyone whine about ginger magician all the time? Surprised
seems like a nobody but still ppl cant stfu about him O_o

edit: wish i could word myself somewhat good :/


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