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Wintermute Cnom
Posted - 2011.04.17 10:58:00 - [1]
 

I recently bought a Tengu for L4 mission running and I've read quite a number of posts saying Tengus are often ganked.

In highsec, how exactly 'often' do Tengus get ganked?

Shanda Lesial
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:00:00 - [2]
 

In mission hubs, High enough to be a concern.

Outside of mission hubs, not so much.

Wintermute Cnom
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:02:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Shanda Lesial
In mission hubs, High enough to be a concern.

Outside of mission hubs, not so much.



Even in a 0.8 sec system?

Ashley Skullcroft
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:22:00 - [4]
 

Gankers thrive on tears, so they don't care about sec status or sec levels. Tengus are big fat targets for the killmail machine.

Shanda Lesial
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:23:00 - [5]
 

It's one volley from a dedicated ship to pop your level 4 mission Tengu security of system doesn't matter much.

In a Mission hub there are enough ships running mission to take the time to scan them out. Also they can camp outside the station and wait for a Tengu to fly out knowing when to start scanning.

Simple idea really more prey, more worth the effort of the predators, less prey less worth their efforts.

Some advice.
Park your Tengu in another station so the predators don't see you coming out of the mission station in it. Though defeats that travel time advantage they have.
Cover your EM hole, since that's what most ganekers are going to exploit.
Outside of a mission hub learn your local, can't do this in a mission hub.
Accept that it can and may happen, tengu's are usually loot pinatas and as such will draw predators.

Straight Edged
Posted - 2011.04.17 13:18:00 - [6]
 

use undocking bookmarks.

Wintermute Cnom
Posted - 2011.04.17 13:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Shanda Lesial

Cover your EM hole, since that's what most ganekers are going to exploit.


If I fit 1 EM Hardener would that be enough to getting killed with 1 volley?

Crabs Collector
Posted - 2011.04.17 14:06:00 - [8]
 

not having a expensive fit is the most important factor of getting ganked less quickly.

Wintermute Cnom
Posted - 2011.04.17 14:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Crabs Collector
not having a expensive fit is the most important factor of getting ganked less quickly.

Well, I think I don't have much of an expensive fit. Currently using 2x Gistii Type B Small Shield Booster(50m ea) and a Republic Fleet 10MN AB(60m).

But some say that suicide gankers don't even bother to scan your ship.

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.04.17 14:17:00 - [10]
 

The best way to avoid getting ganked is to simply keep moving. As soon as you get out of the station, warp and as soon as you arrive at the gate, jump. Unless you are in a fleet you shouldn't be waiting around.


UPS Hauler
Posted - 2011.04.17 15:10:00 - [11]
 

3 times per hour on weekedays, 5 times per hour on weekends.

xFlyingDutchman
Caldari
Blue Moon Salvage Yard
Posted - 2011.04.17 16:52:00 - [12]
 

Simple answer: Often.

I frequently see tengu-gankers in the systems where I mission. The simple fact of it is this: Tengu are expensive. They are often faction fit, and they are easier to gank than a BS. Also, the loot often outweighs the cost of the BS (insured of course) that they will lose in the process of killing you. They look great on killboards.

However, there are ways to avoid ganking (sort of, nothing's full-proof)
-Insta-undock spots in systems you mission in (*safe spots also, for that matter.)
-Avoid big mission hubs.
-Learn who the gankers are, and set them red. (doesn't stop the ganks, but lets you know what you're undocking into)
-As someone mentioned, plug that EM hole.
-Fly something else. If you can't afford to lose your tengu, you really shouldn't be in one.

* Safe spots are used to warp to if you take too much aggro, or need to hop out for any reason.

You ought to be reasonably safe if you fly smart. Just think of your ship as in investment, and take care of it accordingly.

-xFlyingDutchman

Mith'riin
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:25:00 - [13]
 

I was thinking....what about a passive tanked tengu with the corresponding subsystem ?. The tengu barely get hit by Rats, you really don't need much tank. So....why don't use it in a passive fit so you can survive the first alpha ?

grumpyguts1
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:41:00 - [14]
 

My LvL 4 Tengu has a large shield extender and a damage control, it is omni tanked with all resists over 70%, used to use it in a C3 wh, has a large dread guristas shield booster (fairly cheap). Don't see it it being 1 shot'ed with a 50k ehp. Any ship comes into my mission area, I warp off.
When you undock, stop your ship (ctrl and space) leaves you invulnerable for a bit longer and if you get attacked on station, don't shoot back, just dock up.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mith'riin
I was thinking....what about a passive tanked tengu with the corresponding subsystem ?. The tengu barely get hit by Rats, you really don't need much tank. So....why don't use it in a passive fit so you can survive the first alpha ?
Because passive fits tend to reduce that fabulous DPS that makes the Tengu so nice. They also reduce that fabulous sig/speed-takning ability that is the other thing that makes the Tengu so nice.

Joanne McGee
Posted - 2011.04.17 21:02:00 - [16]
 

Fit it with a Damage Control and a Large Shield Extender II (Yes, I know you are active tanking) to have a bigger buffer, then make sure any resist hole is plugged. The tank should still be plenty good enough for missions (deadspace small booster and LG crystals?)
This will at least make you safe(r) against lazy single ship ganks.

Scuttle Bunny
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.17 21:08:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Scuttle Bunny on 17/04/2011 21:11:43
tengus get ganked FARRR less than losing them in lowsec/wardecs/nullsec. I f your carebearing in highsec, in your carebear ship, (which is all pretty low risk) U will be fine.

So poople, the general concensus is, if you get ganked... u get ganked, but you probably aren't going to get ganked and more likely lose it goofing off in it around lowsec ^^ (or null)

Edit: It's only virtual currency, spend it like your actually rich :)... i'd much rather buy a tengu and use it for PvP with crystals/blue pill/high skills and loki booster.. because I do belive, like many a machariel, it's being wasted shooting at the wrong stuff :P

Tigris Pantherinae
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Wintermute Cnom
I recently bought a Tengu for L4 mission running and I've read quite a number of posts saying Tengus are often ganked.

In highsec, how exactly 'often' do Tengus get ganked?
Don't put too much valuable mods to your ship. Griefers gets bored fast, it's also takes some time to grind sec status back..so you don't want to reduce it by just blowing random ships up..

Also there isn't any reason to fly 2-4 B isk ship in level 4s... Under 500 m isk in fittings is usually more than enough for lvl4 missions. And under 500 m isk loot chance in tengu...not really worth the effort and very easily replaceable for the tengu pilot.

OFC keep your eyes open and don't make yourself as sitting target..

Zan Shiro
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:36:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Zan Shiro on 17/04/2011 23:37:11
Don't park at mission hub. Find the quiet station in system...run frigs/dessie to hub to get missions and haul mission items. Avoids alot of headaches. If paranoid, make sure station is not a kick out. Ride out redock timer while invulnerable, redock and done. Or have an insta warp bm made (use a cheap ship to make this).


Unprobable...avoids mission ganks. And with recent npc ecm buff, makes missions like gurista assualt not suck as much. Also keeps honest vultures (not gankers, just want your wrecks) from finding you. Your loot and salvage...only you can find it via bm's.


Gates have bad gate camps....move to quieter space. Cesspools like motsu attract gankers, also attract mercs looking to hunt tards dumb enough to mission in motsu with a war dec. Mercs can and will run decent camps. Target tempting enough, they might hit it.



lordlulzs
Posted - 2011.04.18 00:03:00 - [20]
 

make it as expensive as you want and use scout alts.

then troll them by warping just slightly out of their optimal range.

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.04.18 00:43:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Titus Phook on 18/04/2011 00:44:23
Half the time they won't even bother shipscanning a Tengu, they'll just gank it to see if it you have silly expensive mods fitted. I use a purely T2 fitted Tengu and it's more than adequate for running lvl iv missions there's no need to fit faction stuff to them and the sooner people stop doing so the better.

Flying a Tengu somewhere like Motsu is like driving your pimped out car through places where even the police travel in gangs.

S'Way
Posted - 2011.04.18 02:26:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: xFlyingDutchman
Simple answer: Often.

I frequently see tengu-gankers in the systems where I mission. The simple fact of it is this: Tengu are expensive. They are often faction fit, and they are easier to gank than a BS. Also, the loot often outweighs the cost of the BS (insured of course) that they will lose in the process of killing you. They look great on killboards.

However, there are ways to avoid ganking (sort of, nothing's full-proof)
-Insta-undock spots in systems you mission in (*safe spots also, for that matter.)
-Avoid big mission hubs.
-Learn who the gankers are, and set them red. (doesn't stop the ganks, but lets you know what you're undocking into)
-As someone mentioned, plug that EM hole.
-Fly something else. If you can't afford to lose your tengu, you really shouldn't be in one.

* Safe spots are used to warp to if you take too much aggro, or need to hop out for any reason.

You ought to be reasonably safe if you fly smart. Just think of your ship as in investment, and take care of it accordingly.

-xFlyingDutchman

This is good advice.
One thing I would add - don't buy the faction mods for it with the character that's going to be running the missions.

If you want to see why, do what I do for fun at times and buy an under market value module like half a bill booster or something and resell it elsewhere. Then watch as you see the known gankers alts appear in the system you're in trying to see if you're using a faction fit ship.

Yes the people selling the cheap faction mods in Jita are often alts of gankers trying to find targets.

Mister Agreeable
Posted - 2011.04.18 08:46:00 - [23]
 

2 Pith B small boosters and 2 CN BCU, T2 the rest. The chance of being ganked will be minimal. Activate shield hardeners when docking, undocking and starting to warp after gate jump, of you do this a Tengu will not be one volleyed by a single BS. Instawarp BM very useful.
And massive LOL for whoever advised to dock in other station/system and fly to the agent with a shuttle.

Wintermute Cnom
Posted - 2011.04.18 09:41:00 - [24]
 

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll keep them in mind.

One question though, what's an insta warp BM? I know it's a bookmark, but how does it become "insta warp"?

S'Way
Posted - 2011.04.18 09:51:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Wintermute Cnom
Thanks for the advice guys, I'll keep them in mind.

One question though, what's an insta warp BM? I know it's a bookmark, but how does it become "insta warp"?

An insta BM is a bookmark that when you undock you can warp straight to it - it stops you being tackled or locked if done right.

To make one just undock from the station in a fast ship, don't press anything except turning on the microwarpdrive and fly straight out to a warpable distance.
Then anytime you undock in future you can warp to that point right after undock pretty much being invulnerable to anything as there's no align time to warp.

Really you should have an insta BM for every station you use regularly. (and vary the distances of them regularly as people can watch how far you warp out from the station and wait there too).

Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.04.18 11:27:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: S'Way


Really you should have an insta BM for every station you use regularly. (and vary the distances of them regularly as people can watch how far you warp out from the station and wait there too).


Just make it far enough to be offgrid.

Jommis
Honningbarna
Posted - 2011.04.18 11:42:00 - [27]
 

I have been ganked a couple of times in a Tengu.
A minimatar BS blew up my 2.5 bill tengu in 1 volley Shocked
Don't go autopiloting in any ship...

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:24:00 - [28]
 

Um.....IDK, maybe I missed something? But aren't tengus capable of some pretty awesome tank and still be dps effective? So, maybe tank up?

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:31:00 - [29]
 

Honestly, the tengu gankers in mission hubs are likely to gank without scanning your ship.

There is a higher chance of a pimped tengu than a non pimped one so why waste time that the tengu can use to warp out?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:37:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Herrring
Honestly, the tengu gankers in mission hubs are likely to gank without scanning your ship.

There is a higher chance of a pimped tengu than a non pimped one so why waste time that the tengu can use to warp out?


Meh, IDK. I think life in w-space for almost 2 years has hardened me. One shot kill Tengus.....didn't even know they could be fit that poorly.


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