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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
Posted - 2011.04.16 00:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: ShahFluffers
Edited by: ShahFluffers on 15/04/2011 20:42:53
Originally by: Lady Elura
Should I forget the Brutix then? Can I use the blaster skills else where? Or do I just need to forget blasters totally? Any other blaster ships which would do better?


Honestly, I'd go with the Myrmidon. In a 'shield-blaster' setup (which is very similar to the 'shield-blaster' Brutix setups here) it can hit out quite far with Null ammo, has a better tank, and can use drones to greatly supplement its DPS.

Plus the Myrm is more flexible when it comes to what guns you can use (as it doesn't get a bonus any specific gun). So if/when you train up another weapon system you can replace the blasters.

+1
I have a shield/blaster/mwd myrm in addition to armor fits, and it will end up doing a tiny bit less damage than a brutix for me but, the ability to deploy 5 med ECM drones and GTFO is nice. While most people fit Autocannons to the myrm I never stopped using hybrids on mine. (though Autocannons will make your ship more versatile tbh even with less damage)

Also I use a blaster Ferox a bit too, don't underestimate caldari blasterboats, the damage isn't as good and the range isn't as good as barrage even using null with your optimal bonus but the damage is quite nice as it is very easy to fit 3 magstabs and a tank on most the caldari ships. Likewise the Moa and Rokh make for tanky and/or ganky blaster platforms.

Also, I notice that Gallente Blaster ships are frequently primaried, but my Caldari ones with bigger tanks and a larger chance of being rail fit are usually ignored until the damage is being applied.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.16 13:01:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Lady Elura
Should I forget the Brutix then? Can I use the blaster skills else where? Or do I just need to forget blasters totally? Any other blaster ships which would do better?


Take a month on your plan and train matar frigs/cruisers up to 4, train small med autocanons up to 5 train T2's up to 4.

Buy a cane
Fit
Undock
Eat Brutix's
Fun
Profit

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.16 13:14:00 - [33]
 

Sensor boosted Brutixes are fun at undocks and warp ins.

For true solo pvp, the brutix with ec- drones are win. Then you have to fit the rest of your mids for a specific target to have a chance. Tracking disruptors for Hurricanes/Harbs, and lots of reppers for drakes.

Then you can die in a fire as his buddies warp in on you cause you have to fight within scram range.

Nakatomi Kamatori
Minmatar
Black Mesa
Posted - 2011.04.16 19:07:00 - [34]
 

[Hurricane, Brutix?]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x1
Warrior II x4

69 621 EHP, 619 DPS with 1.6 + 14 km range, selectable damage types, or 513 dps with 3.1 + 21 km range with barrage. This is without overheating. Excellent tracking, especially if you load a tracking script. Does 1025 m/s with MWD on. Additionally, you have 2 med neuts to play with. They won't permarun, but without mwd you can run them for well over 3 minutes. Obviously you don't need any cap for tank or dps.

Why would you take a brutix over this, except for specialized roles?

Rouge Drone
Posted - 2011.04.16 19:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Nakatomi Kamatori


Why would you take a brutix over this, except for specialized roles?


Same could be said for choosing any tier 1 bc over a tier 2.

Kelio Rift
Caldari
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:16:00 - [36]
 

Well... I don't often fly Tix, but when I did:

http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3041470

I'm not saying that the Tix OWNZ, I've lost more than I've had Win in it. The above mail represents a lucky situation, when I stumbled upon some guys on a gate. 2 fled, one stood the ground.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:21:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Lady Spank
you didnt link your fit and the 4xmfs shield fit is dumb.




Explain rather than troll tbh


It wasn't a troll, I just assumed people would at least be informed enough to know about stacking penalties and the op didn't link the fit he/she was referring to. I can't very well go discussing a non-disclosed fit in much detail.

Kelio Rift
Caldari
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:32:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Kelio Rift on 17/04/2011 23:35:25
Right... Fittings...

I'm at work atm so I don't have some proper fitty stuff to work with, but my setup back then was 7 Ions T2, Y-T8 MWD, a point, a web, a medium cap injector, 2 MAR II, DCU II, Explosive hardener, EANM II (5th low I can't remember, either an MFS II or some named stuff), Aux nano rig, Nano accelerator rig, Trimark rig. Was something like that, but not sure, will edit this when I get home.

NovaCat13
Gallente
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:07:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kelio Rift
Right... Fittings...

I'm at work atm so I don't have some proper fitty stuff to work with, but my setup back then was 7 Ions T2, Y-T8 MWD, a point, a web, a medium cap injector, 2 MAR II, DCU II, Explosive hardener, 2 EANM II, (5th low I can't remember, either an MFS II or some named stuff), Aux nano rig, Nano accelerator rig, Trimark rig. Was something like that, but not sure, will edit this when I get home.


Lol I'll wait until you get home to EFT... you have more low slot modules than the ship has Wink

Kelio Rift
Caldari
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:34:00 - [40]
 

I loled, you are right there... Very Happy All the distraction of work made me do it...Laughing

Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:53:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Bluejacket CT on 17/04/2011 23:55:49
It's a suicide ganker for people with iron balls. Shield fit it and load it up with mag-stabs and leeroy into the enemy.

You won't survive, but that's not what a Brutix is for anyways.

[Brutix, Optimus Primary]
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

I prefer the Ions because they're easier to fit and track so much better. Plus it leaves you space for a TE, which you badly need. Still does 915 DPS overheated with faction antimatter, and 1002 overheated with void (OMG).

Pookoko
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:54:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Lady Spank
you didnt link your fit and the 4xmfs shield fit is dumb.




Explain rather than troll tbh


It wasn't a troll, I just assumed people would at least be informed enough to know about stacking penalties and the op didn't link the fit he/she was referring to. I can't very well go discussing a non-disclosed fit in much detail.


I do agree that a TE would probably be a better choice than a 4th Mag Stab, but just using max skills for Brutix as a reference, it shows that 3 Mag Stabs results in 701 gun DPS for Brutix, whereas 4th Mag Stab adds 42 DPS more, which I don't think is that unsignificant. Same goes for the ships such as Mach and Nightmare, where 4th damage mod adds a few tens of DPS.

Having said that, yes, solo shield gank Brutix would probably benefit more from a 2nd TE than a 4th Mag Stab as it often lacks a web, but if the target is tackled & webbed by someone else 4th Mag Stab won't be too bad.


Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.04.18 01:07:00 - [43]
 

You scrubs are all doing it wrong...

EC-600 x5 plus damage.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.18 06:18:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Bluejacket CT
[Brutix, Optimus Primary]


I prefer the Ions because they're easier to fit and track so much better. Plus it leaves you space for a TE, which you badly need. Still does 915 DPS overheated with faction antimatter, and 1002 overheated with void (OMG).


Pretty much this although you can shoehorn some Neutrons on there especially using a named mwd. A full rack of neutrons fits if you use an ACR although the DPS benefit isn't enough to warrant losing 4k EHP.

Zarutha
The Night Crew
Posted - 2011.04.18 07:23:00 - [45]
 

The Brutix is not useless! I use 4 of them spread through 4 accounts to gas mine. The are excellent at it!

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.18 11:41:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Zarutha
The Brutix is not useless! I use 4 of them spread through 4 accounts to gas mine. The are excellent at it!


Take a domi, shield tank, fit cargo, afk Laughing

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:29:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Bluejacket CT
It's a suicide ganker for people with iron balls. Shield fit it and load it up with mag-stabs and leeroy into the enemy.

You won't survive, but that's not what a Brutix is for anyways.



You can do exactly the same with a cane, except that it is faster, got a lower sig, twice the range and can swap damage types.

Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Navigators of the Abyss
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:37:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Quote:
Blasters are fine, Gallente pilots just happen to be unwilling to sacrifice dps for range/tracking.


Fixed.


Fixed again....

Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Navigators of the Abyss
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:39:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Aquana Abyss
You scrubs are all doing it wrong...

EC-600 x5 plus damage.


This TBH. I'd probably roll with that gank fit/shield combo.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:45:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Megan Maynard
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Quote:
Blasters are fine, Gallente pilots just happen to be unwilling to sacrifice dps for range/tracking.


Fixed.


Fixed again....


Actually they are, because of this they fly mini or amarr hulls this days.

Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
Posted - 2011.04.18 13:39:00 - [51]
 

I know its lolrails, but the Brutix is a better railgun platform than the Ferox, ironically. In a gang, it can create very respectable firepower with a shield tank, and still bring 5 medium drones to the fight.

Something like this:

[Brutix, New Setup 1]
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5

With medium DPS drones, you're looking at almost 600 DPS at 14+13km.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.19 05:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
It's a suicide ganker for people with iron balls. Shield fit it and load it up with mag-stabs and leeroy into the enemy.

You won't survive, but that's not what a Brutix is for anyways.



You can do exactly the same with a cane, except that it is faster, got a lower sig, twice the range and can swap damage types.


Yes well done. The cane is more expensive, everyone knows how it will be fitted and are less likely to engage it. You don't fly a shield Brutix for efficiency.

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.19 07:29:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
It's a suicide ganker for people with iron balls. Shield fit it and load it up with mag-stabs and leeroy into the enemy.

You won't survive, but that's not what a Brutix is for anyways.



You can do exactly the same with a cane, except that it is faster, got a lower sig, twice the range and can swap damage types.
But then everybody would know you have no balls and that you fly ships of questionable sexuality.


The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.19 08:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
It's a suicide ganker for people with iron balls. Shield fit it and load it up with mag-stabs and leeroy into the enemy.

You won't survive, but that's not what a Brutix is for anyways.



You can do exactly the same with a cane, except that it is faster, got a lower sig, twice the range and can swap damage types.


Yes well done. The cane is more expensive, everyone knows how it will be fitted and are less likely to engage it.


The price difference isn't big by any real standards and you can just armor/shield fit a cane as good as a brutix.

Originally by: Lady Spank
You don't fly a shield Brutix for efficiency.


While I would agree that the brutix never was a really good blaster ship(since it lacked the gank/staying power of the mega and the speed of the rax back in the days), this is also true for next to any kind of blaster ship this days(except ranis/DD/comet).

Gibbo5771
Posted - 2011.04.20 02:24:00 - [55]
 

Duel rep
Electrons

500+dps with a 450dps tank and 30k ehp.

Its all about cap management and target selection.

Shield fit brutix are crap imo

1. They have very little defence against a solo frigate
2. They lack a web, meaning even a drake can slowboat out of scram range, or even your blaster range

I have had no problem with the brutix or even gallente/blasters, just all the minmatar/amarr fanbois jump into a gallente ship and go "OMG WHERE IS MY OP SCORCH OR BARRAGE" and instantly deem the ship fail and complain.

Luca Atavuli
Posted - 2011.04.21 21:05:00 - [56]
 

why is the brutix even compared to the cane? thats like comparing a station wagon to a ferrari. The brutix has its uses, but its not a good solo ship, like any T1 bc ....

mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.04.22 14:48:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: mama guru on 22/04/2011 14:51:32
Edited by: mama guru on 22/04/2011 14:50:32

For gallente PVP you basically only have these choices:

Myrmidon
Vexor
Taranis
Phobos
Lachesis/Arazu
Dominix/Mega/Hype - All are good aslong as you use their strengths to an advantage.
Caps


Anything else can be filled more effectively by minmatar, I would never dream of flying a brutix in PVP when I can fly a maxed out hurricane instead.

That said, this is the only justifiable use of the ship, glass cannon:
[Brutix, Super Gank Shield]
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

1200 Null M
1200 Void M
One load of Navy antimatter (use against frigs)

For an even cheaper version drop the rigs and possibly the injector and add 1-2 webbers. It will pin anytning in range but you will die really fast if you get shot, so use it for suprise dps in small gangs or for soloing really bad vagabond/dramiel pilots.


Edits: goddamn typos, not my day today.

Dark Pangolin
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.04.22 15:39:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Dark Pangolin on 22/04/2011 15:44:07
Originally by: mama guru
Edited by: mama guru on 22/04/2011 14:51:32
Edited by: mama guru on 22/04/2011 14:50:32

For gallente PVP you basically only have these choices:

Myrmidon
Vexor
Taranis
Phobos
Lachesis/Arazu
Dominix/Mega/Hype - All are good aslong as you use their strengths to an advantage.
Caps


Anything else can be filled more effectively by minmatar, I would never dream of flying a brutix in PVP when I can fly a maxed out hurricane instead.

That said, this is the only justifiable use of the ship, glass cannon:
[Brutix, Super Gank Shield]
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

1200 Null M
1200 Void M
One load of Navy antimatter (use against frigs)

For an even cheaper version drop the rigs and possibly the injector and add 1-2 webbers. It will pin anytning in range but you will die really fast if you get shot, so use it for suprise dps in small gangs or for soloing really bad vagabond/dramiel pilots.


Edits: goddamn typos, not my day today.



Even for the pure glass cannon fit, I would recommend Ions over the Neutrons if you dont fit Scram AND Web. The extra tracking on the neutrons usually means more real DPS the range and dps hit in lieu of the neutrons are minimal. Also fitting wise that may let you put a TE2 in that spare low slot instead of a RCU.

I think it has been said 1000 times over, the Brutix is not a great solo ship but it can work as surprise butt-s3x. You will be primaried and dead usually before you get into range...so make sure you have a warp-in at 0. If you run in a small gang have friends to deal with frigs, put 5 EC-600s in your bay and forget the damage drones. Blasters are your DPS...and those EC-600 will keep you alive more than the hammerheads will.

mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.04.22 17:33:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Dark Pangolin
Edited by: Dark Pangolin on 22/04/2011 15:44:07 Even for the pure glass cannon fit, I would recommend Ions over the Neutrons if you dont fit Scram AND Web. The extra tracking on the neutrons usually means more real DPS the range and dps hit in lieu of the neutrons are minimal. Also fitting wise that may let you put a TE2 in that spare low slot instead of a RCU.

I think it has been said 1000 times over, the Brutix is not a great solo ship but it can work as surprise butt-s3x. You will be primaried and dead usually before you get into range...so make sure you have a warp-in at 0. If you run in a small gang have friends to deal with frigs, put 5 EC-600s in your bay and forget the damage drones. Blasters are your DPS...and those EC-600 will keep you alive more than the hammerheads will.


That's debateable, I would not fly it for survival at all and why not just go for max dps since thats all it is useful for anyway. If you are not pushing 1k dps overloaded with the brutix as a gank fit you might aswell take 2 months off pvp and get T2 projectiles and a hurricane in my opinion.

The myrmidon can be flown with blasters and a bit of creativity though, still better with projectiles however.

Cattegirn
Intellectual Wookies
Posted - 2011.04.27 08:22:00 - [60]
 

Dual armor reps, resists, mwd, blasters, neut. Then lots of experience flying the thing.


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