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Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Tutskii on 14/04/2011 22:42:36
Dear prospective entrepreneur,

It is my pleasure to give you the millions to set your space success career in motion. Yup, I'm giving you free money, to do what you want with it.

Why?

Well, MD is at the moment a gloomy, doomy, and vitriolic pit of utter trollination, and I would like to encourage more well, market discussions, or rather, their application and planning. This is the purpose of mecca.

In it, a lucky winner will receive a plex to use in funding their space projects.

How do you win?

Well, use the posts below to create a business plan. It must be repeatable, solid, and require not too many skills, not too much funds. Yep, its intentionally fuzzy to allow for creativity, but lets say Titan BPO copying is out. Also, no scamming.

You should also know that whatever you post will be public, and there is no guarantee that I or anyone else will not use it. So be warned!

How will entries be judged?

Well, the best one will win, of course. MD has shown a remarkable ability to weed out terrible plans (and even good ones) so I have no doubt that there will be a suitably large and knowledgeable team of judges offering their valid and clear suggestions on your plan, or their opinion on whether you should or should not procreate!

I'd like to help, what do I do?

Well, you can submit your plans, you can judge whats posted, or you can set your own awards or contributions!

My own awards?

Yup. Set up a prize for the best plan involving a badger, or whatever else you want to do, the sky is the limit, or contribute towards the mecca grand prize. At any rate, I will keep a running counter of donations (if theres any) and announce the winner in here at the proper time.

This is a terrible idea.

I know, trust me. Regardless, it may be interesting.

So, when do we submit our plans?

Now works.

So let me get this straight, you giving out a plex for my ideas?

Well, yes, but there are some caveats. It could be the thread is full of troll and stupid. Then I reserve the right to cancel mecca. But its my intent to give out a plex (or more depending on interest and quality) plus whatever other prizes are donated or set up. But those are the responsibility of their issuers, unless they hand over for my guardianship.

What do you expect to come from this?

A community resource with decent entry level business plans for new people and people trying space business in general. Or a hecatomb of despair. Or maybe a one post thread making its way quickly to page 12. I am not really sure :) But the forum is dying and I may as well leave my mark, and you get to leave it too!

mecca? seriously?

I know. No relationship to any actual religion or location.

Until when does this run?

I am not sure yet, to be honest. If you have suggestions for a good lenght, leave them. If not, till someone wins, I suppose.

Please leave interesting, and or creative responses in the comments section below!

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Tutskii on 15/04/2011 07:43:33
Edited by: Tutskii on 15/04/2011 07:43:15
Edited by: Tutskii on 15/04/2011 07:42:13
Prize Donations


Fiye Tao: An expansion up to 500 million of your original idea, should it be successful

Liberty Eternal: A plex for the mecca grand prize

Current grand prize:


2 Plex + expansion of up to 500 million.

790
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:46:00 - [3]
 

I do not have a business plan, but I wanted to thank you for the generosity.

Syds Sinclair
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:51:00 - [4]
 

..So you pay 350m give or take in exchange for the E-Fame gathered from this most awesome awards?

What's the going rate of E-Fame?

My post might be a troll, or it might be an accurate estimate of your intentions. You decide!

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:55:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tutskii on 14/04/2011 22:56:03
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..So you pay 350m give or take in exchange for the E-Fame gathered from this most awesome awards?

What's the going rate of E-Fame?

My post might be a troll, or it might be an accurate estimate of your intentions. You decide!


Feel free to set up a more generous award if you desire! A plex seemed a good figure to start for entry level ideas, but it may be more by the time things are done.

I don't have my E-Fame conversion chart handy at the moment, I am sad to say. I think if you get blueprint copies and manufacture them you get slightly more E-fame per point, though, and you probably shouldn't do implants. But the E-fame store you are at is important, too.

Syds Sinclair
Posted - 2011.04.14 23:05:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 14/04/2011 23:06:26
..I do hope that your intentions, and all future implementations that you might derive from this philanthropy are held to be complety honest. But it is in the nature of all Eve players to scour any action for illintentions.

Plus your awards are kind of stupid. What demographic do you hope to reach? The mouth breathers who think the only reason they are not spacebux rich is because or the greedy capitalists? If they only had a plex to start their venture off!

And as a preemptive argument to your reply of "But just think of all the teaching and learning that will come from these awards!" there is already a crap ton of info available to anyone who wants to learn.

But then again I'm probably just being a cynical asshat, so good luck!

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.14 23:08:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 14/04/2011 23:06:26
..I do hope that your intentions, and all future implementations that you might derive from this philanthropy are held to be complety honest. But it is in the nature of all Eve players to scour any action for illintentions.

Plus your awards are kind of stupid. What demographic do you hope to reach? The mouth breathers who think the only reason they are not spacebux rich is because or the greedy capitalists? If they only had a plex to start their venture off!

And as a preemptive argument to your reply of "But just think of all the teaching and learning that will come from these awards!" there is already a crap ton of info available to anyone who wants to learn.

But then again I'm probably just being a cynical asshat, so good luck!


Thanks! I will probably need it!

Fiye Tao
Posted - 2011.04.15 00:25:00 - [8]
 

I'll be watching this thread to see if you receive any amount of decent activity. In the event that there's enough participation and a winner is chosen, I offer the following.

If the winner is able to detail and record the progress they experience in their venture for all here to read and comment on, I will gladly fund an expansion of their business plan if they see any measure of success. Something like half a billion, depending on what kind of returns they see on their own.

You can work out the kinks in that system, and be the judge of success. I just love this kid of thing and would like to lend a helping hand in hopes of keeping this event continuous. Offer is there.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.15 07:40:00 - [9]
 

Thanks Tayo, in addition, Liberty Eternal has donated another plex for the grand prize!

Thank you both for your support.

Roelof Kremer
Posted - 2011.04.15 09:41:00 - [10]
 



Okay.

Uuuuh,.. okay,.. How do you submit a plan? And where can you submit a plan?

O nice cool web site can be fun. Where players can submit his/her plan. And can get voted by other players and judge.
For submitting a plan. 10mill ISK

My plan/idee.
If you are going to setup a site like this. 60/40. Me 40% of income.

XD

RK

DR Zenbobo
Posted - 2011.04.15 10:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 14/04/2011 23:06:26
..I do hope that your intentions, and all future implementations that you might derive from this philanthropy are held to be complety honest. But it is in the nature of all Eve players to scour any action for illintentions.



Why?

Will everyone QQ when he gains funding for something bigger and scams 10B?

Will people stop playing EVE if he scams big?

Scamming is as much a part of this as Piracy and High Sec Hulk ganking.

If your too stupid see whether the next offer is a scam or not then you dont deserve the ISK anyways.

Im extremely excited to see the plans that are gathered from this. A true adventure into the Meta.

Master Yu
Posted - 2011.04.15 11:22:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Master Yu on 15/04/2011 11:31:08
I have been searching market and finally have funded the 2 pieces of bpo i have put into research

both going for me 10

when this is done ill start a production cycle on both

so far i have minerals for around 100 pieces of each and they should net me 300-500k each with a productioin time on each being 4hours.

a low ball is 300k * 2 * 6 of the profit = 3,6mill - thats selling in jita

am planning to do a round trip once a week where profit on ea will rise to 2 mill a pop only gonna be seeding 3 places will sell rest in jita

not gonna tell what it is some will figure it out its a t1 item lo produktion cost.

i am very new to the game and when i expand this into 3 off each bpo i will have time to look into bigger ventures.

re for now its all work from 2 stations i found looking to setup a pos later on 1month+ and build from there in the long run

that alot further out in the future

this isnt really to be in the contest

its more a addidtion as i was surfing around and found this thread worthy of reading

best regards






Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
Posted - 2011.04.15 14:36:00 - [13]
 

Teh Afishal FPA Ntree


   Having played Eve for over 9000 days I am well versed in ways to make money that follow the guidelines of repeatable, solid, requires minimal skills, requires minimal initial funding.
   The plan is also the very definition of simplicity and furthermore it scales incredibly well. Following the plan has earned many people significant sums of Isk in relatively short periods of time.

   Why am I about to impart such knowledge? Because of a deep-seated desire to help my fellow capsuleers. So without further ado I present to you Teh afishal FPA garanteed isk printer!

1) Buy low
2) Sell high

Also, invest in waffles.

it is i can haz priez tiem nao?

Adian Grey
Posted - 2011.04.15 15:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lauren Hellfury
Teh Afishal FPA Ntree


   Having played Eve for over 9000 days I am well versed in ways to make money that follow the guidelines of repeatable, solid, requires minimal skills, requires minimal initial funding.
   The plan is also the very definition of simplicity and furthermore it scales incredibly well. Following the plan has earned many people significant sums of Isk in relatively short periods of time.

   Why am I about to impart such knowledge? Because of a deep-seated desire to help my fellow capsuleers. So without further ado I present to you Teh afishal FPA garanteed isk printer!

1) Buy low
2) Sell high

Also, invest in waffles.

it is i can haz priez tiem nao?


Truely a God amoung marketers!

Lando Antilles
Posted - 2011.04.15 15:32:00 - [15]
 

+1 for offering something positive to MD. It's been getting depressing here of late.

quick question, When is the deadline for MECCA? I assume that entries will be judged once all are received? If so, does it make sense for them to be sent to you and then posted all at once at the end, or should they be lauded/heckled as they come?

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.15 16:44:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Tutskii on 15/04/2011 16:44:35
Roelof Kremer:

You submit it right here! the form is up to you, as well. Is setting a website your plan? since your website references the plans for the award it may not be repeatable (depends on if mecca is running, which it may not always be). But its a neat idea.

Also, there is not going to be any income from mecca unless you happen to be the grand prize winner, so the fee may be unreasonable. But who knows, if its popular enough to warrant that setup then it would be something to consider.

Master Yu:

That is more in the spirit of what I had in mind. The actual details of the BPO's would need to be given so that we know if the details are true or not. I wouldn't give your more profitable items, but a manufacturing tree with details might be a solid plan :).

Lauren Hellfury:

I like the green, but perhaps a bit more detail is needed. What kind of waffles? Plain? Blackberry? Blueberry? Also, sell where and what kind of profit are you looking at? Your plan is solid but needs a bit more syrup!

Lando Antilles:

Thanks! Plans are to be posted here where the lovable community panel of judges will point their successes and flaws. Once we achieve a solid mass of entries, a new topic linking finalists in the same manner im linking your posts will go up. People may then give their final input, and then the award will be given. This is a public competition to both create a public repository of solid plans (see: buy waffles) and have actual market discussions on them (see, market discussion) and for becoming an E millionaire (see prizes) so dending them to me wouldn't make any sense and may put the people that do at an advantage.

A deadline hasn't been announced yet, but will at some point. it depends on how long it takes to start seeing a constant flow of entries. I don't want this to be too short, or too long, but I don't know the perfect lenght off hand, so taking input on that.

-Tutskii

Fred Barbossa
Free Mineral Collective
Posted - 2011.04.15 16:48:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Fred Barbossa on 15/04/2011 16:51:29
My business plan is to win the murblybux entrepreneurship certification community award.

The plan takes zero isk investment, simply planning, a cunning post and probably a poor amount of research. The main risk is the unlikely event that players who have small enough funds to put a great deal of effort into getting the prize will actually have a good idea. This is unlikely as any real good idea will be kept secret or be worth less than the chance at getting the prize. The chance at getting the prize is actually pretty low because it involves trusting players to give away isk for nothing. The chance at having an idea ripped off by posting it on a public forum is extraordinarily high. The chance of being able to judge "build stuff with minerals" properly is pretty low without specifics so contestants will have a hard time with being vague +/- judges approval of their seriousness.

Plan:
1. Make post detailing plan in this thread (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1496810)
a. be witty
b. Plan must make sense to judges
c. plan must be readable and look official
C1.possibly copy a format learned in college, the judges of course want to pretend they can dole out scholarship awards in a video game like real business leaders getting tax credits, realism is important
2. Make friends with or avoid angering judges.
a. Do not at any point inform them that they are roleplaying businessmen or accountants
b. Do not mock the idea of writing a business proposal on a public forum or mention how easy it is to just send the prize to an alt if the proposals aren't public.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.16 16:09:00 - [18]
 

There are a few problems with your otherwise excellent plan, Fred. It is not repeatable (and it may not be doable in the first place). As for the chance at getting the price I would say that it is not really chance based, although the chances of getting the prize would depend on the amount of quality entries received. Still, I'd say its skill based.

And I would not say that your plan for our fabulous prizes is something for nothing (remember that from our perspective it may not be that much, this is not true for a newer player).

But yes, I would hope plans are specific enough to be able to properly measure their profitability.

I hope this addresses your concerns, thank you!

Master Yu
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:40:00 - [19]
 

i didnt really sign up here to win more causei found it amusing and entertaining to read and that being said.

i really think i have found a t1 niche that i am gonna prfit on and there for i will not give more details

turning 25 % profit build t1 is really high and many will want to know and that will limit my prfits alot.

so therefor see my posts as and addition rather then a attempt to win anything

if this works out as i think it is ill have no problems making loads in less the 2 month

best regards

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:47:00 - [20]
 

Small suggestion to keep it under a certain isk max?

Let's say a max of 5B start amount?








Turat
Posted - 2011.04.17 01:49:00 - [21]
 

SCOUTS FOR YOU (S4U)


first a couple of things i suck at typing and using proper punctuation and probably would look cromagnon save for spell checker, and for this i apologize .


not sure how to set up a business model. but the basics of this (S4U) is to have scouts,low sp alts ready at alot of lowsec camp points and 0.0 entrances. For the first couple of weeks/months of service we would use a 3rd party to hold the isk and the collateral and the reward until we get our trust on.

fees would be negotiable as well as offering a guarantee on your cargo (as long as you listen to our scout).

we would have teamspeak and vent and eve voice(is this still active?)

for a scout to go further than the 1st jump i would want either a recon or a sb or a t3 and the price would obviously rise .

We would have to check the cargo to make sure its not carbon that we secured for 5 bil but you will also then have to trust us not to gank you.

this would require copious amounts of trust but i think it could work.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2011.04.17 02:25:00 - [22]
 

I'm not sure if it's been done before, but EVE could really use a bank

Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
Posted - 2011.04.17 07:43:00 - [23]
 

This is a nice idea although it has been tried before in various forms and never with any great degree of success probably because there is too little exposure in THIS forum.

My advice would be to try to structuralize your idea and post it on other forums.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.18 22:26:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Roguehalo
This is a nice idea although it has been tried before in various forms and never with any great degree of success probably because there is too little exposure in THIS forum.

My advice would be to try to structuralize your idea and post it on other forums.


By other forums you mean like GD, or like KUGU?

The problem with the former is crossposting. The problem with the later is that Kugu, SHC (RIP) etc tend to be frequented by 0.0 moguls (or at least people who style themselves such) and may be beyond the level where something like this would be of interest.


I think the 5 b cap is probably a good idea.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2011.04.19 06:00:00 - [25]
 

Step 1) Find empty wormhole (c2 preferred)
Step 2) Set up basic PI for PoS Fuels.
Step 3) Move in PoS and set up.
Step 4) Move in 3 drakes + 140k scourge T1 missiles.
Step 5) Move in salvager destroyer or noctis
Step 6) Move in gas mining thorax
Step 7) Do Sleeper stuff and salvage. Mine out the gas inside the wormhole and ship it to Jita.
Step 8) Profit????

Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
Posted - 2011.04.19 06:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Tutskii
SHC (RIP)


Not a troll, just in case you aren't aware - SHC has been reincarnated as FHC (failheap-challenge).

KV

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2011.04.20 02:29:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Brock Nelson on 20/04/2011 02:28:52
Linkage

Here's my submission. Of course, the plan won't beat out missioning, more to come soon.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.28 19:48:00 - [28]
 

Bump

Eu Daimon
Gallente
Merchants of the Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.04.28 21:17:00 - [29]
 

Well, I might have missed the sarcasm flag and will be stating the obvious, if so shame on me Embarassed.

If not:

The idea of this award and the price following it, is, with that amount of money, aimed at rather new players... Entrepreneurs.
Established industrialists or marketeers would only do it for the lol.

Either way, asking people to reveal in public how they intend to make money is sorta... weird?

If you want anything but a cheap laugh out of this, you should make a jury and ask people, in secret, to send their business plan.

"LOL LOL LOL" the trolls say: "the jury will just steal the idea and make money themselves".
Well, they might, they might not - either way sometimes we trust people with isk for investment funds, and if anyone is aiming for this price their plan won't be worth more than the price offered.

Not trying to troll. I have, maybe bad, maybe not, ideas, but would feel uncomfortable revealing them in public.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.04.28 21:24:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Eu Daimon
Well, I might have missed the sarcasm flag and will be stating the obvious, if so shame on me Embarassed.

If not:

The idea of this award and the price following it, is, with that amount of money, aimed at rather new players... Entrepreneurs.
Established industrialists or marketeers would only do it for the lol.

Either way, asking people to reveal in public how they intend to make money is sorta... weird?

If you want anything but a cheap laugh out of this, you should make a jury and ask people, in secret, to send their business plan.

"LOL LOL LOL" the trolls say: "the jury will just steal the idea and make money themselves".
Well, they might, they might not - either way sometimes we trust people with isk for investment funds, and if anyone is aiming for this price their plan won't be worth more than the price offered.

Not trying to troll. I have, maybe bad, maybe not, ideas, but would feel uncomfortable revealing them in public.


That is an excellent point and one that I have heard in private before. I have been a bit busy with rl obligations so I haven't been able to think of a solution.

The way I originally envisioned this, is that it would be a good way for people starting out to get 350 or so million (hopefully a bit more if there were prize sponsors, there have been like Liberty Eternal who basically doubled the prize, and Fiye Tao who offered to fund an expansion); in exchange for plans that were unlikely to scale well.

IT would also be a good chance for established people to pass down hand me down plans that they don't use anymore (I know of a few people with more than a few of those) and perhaps make a bit in the process.

The problem with doing things in private is that then, things are moved out of the public domain into that of my subjective judgement, and, it opens the way for "alt" accusations towards whoever won.

I originally expected a natural balance to emerge and for lower quality plans to be more prevalent than high quality ones, but so far a lot of people have commented to me that the problem is how public things are.

I am considering those concerns, and will post what solution I come up with, if I come up with one.

Thanks for the post!

No sarcasm flag!

-Tutskii


 

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