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Slashignore
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:31:00 - [1]
 

im pretty new to this so how do i do it..?


naa joking..
not gonna lower me self like that

i see people paying 2 mil to get something transportet lets say 6 jumps.. but i have to pay 100mil in insurance ?

how does it work ?

so what if i pay the 100 mil and transport it .. dont i get the money or how does it work ?

and is there a way to counter it.. so the person actually have to pay the money? caus that would be a laugh in his face ??


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:32:00 - [2]
 

They hope to be able to suicide you, or in other ways prevent you from completing the courier run - or it's legit.

/c

Slashignore
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:38:00 - [3]
 

so.. i can actually be an ass and show up in a shuttle to take his 0.01 m^3 item
pay him the 100 mil.. wait a few hours when he got fed up by waiting and then go deliver ?

and how does the deliver part work ?

yes im new here

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:40:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Slashignore
so.. i can actually be an ass and show up in a shuttle to take his 0.01 m^3 item
pay him the 100 mil.. wait a few hours when he got fed up by waiting and then go deliver ?

and how does the deliver part work ?

yes im new here


Delivery works by taking the item to the destination station, unloading it into your hangar and completing the contract by right clicking on the item or through th contract menu.

Also, these are timed contracts, and may not offer you much of a window to wait them out.

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:43:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 12/04/2011 13:44:45
If the cargo is worth exactly 100mil, the deposit will be over 100mil.

This is because cargo can be stolen.

When you accept a Courier Contract, NOTHING prevents you from looking at the contents, and taking them for yourself, except you lose your deposit. (if they put it in a can, break out an alt with a cargo scanner and undock....)

Legit publicly available courier contracts for high value cargo ALWAYS have 'higher value' deposits (or the person that made the contract is a fool)

Also, as stated above, huge deposits are also used by suicide gankers.


Cire XIII
Caldari
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:44:00 - [6]
 

It seems you're just misunderstanding "collateral". The reward for transporting the items is expected to be less than the value of the items. So to make sure you don't run off with their stuff, the collateral is set to around the value of the goods. You get this back upon completion.

That said, you can set a high collateral with cheap items, and then gank the courier in transit. This forces them to default and the contract issuer keeps the collateral.

Slashignore
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:47:00 - [7]
 

i see

so i can actually make his scam backfire by making sure the item gets delivered ?
specially if it is in high sec

by putting the items in a battleship so he cant nuke me before concorde nukes him ??

enlighten me please..

i feel no better joy than get revenge on scammers and bots

Sati Rii
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:55:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Sati Rii on 12/04/2011 13:55:48
Originally by: Slashignore
i see

so i can actually make his scam backfire by making sure the item gets delivered ?
specially if it is in high sec

by putting the items in a battleship so he cant nuke me before concorde nukes him ??

enlighten me please..

i feel no better joy than get revenge on scammers and bots


You pretty much answered your own question here, very well in-fact. If you want to haul something and you suspect foul play, stick it in a souped up battleship, tank it up and watch the freworks. I have a battleship myself, not for ratting or missioning but for hauling contracts I think might be scams. More often than not if it looks like a scam it probably is, most scamers do not have the intelligence to create a GOOD scam.

As another thing, if you get fed up with laughing at scammers the best thing to do is actually create forum posts, get some individual contracs set up privately. THis has worked very well for me in the past.

Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:09:00 - [9]
 

Another way of fooling them is using two characters
Accept the contract with one char, trade the package to another char, roll out both chars in haulers, the one carrying the package after. Watch them pop the empty hauler on the char that accepted the package, roll to destination in your pod and your alt (who's carrying the package), retransfer the package and complete the contract.

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:32:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Burnharder on 12/04/2011 14:32:11
The best local scams are the, "I'm leaving the game!!! I will transfer all my stuffs to you for 1 trit!!!". Then the contract is not a buy/sell, it's a sell/buy :p. You pay 100,000,000 for 1 trit.

People must fall for this bs, because otherwise people wouldn't bother doing it...... or would they? Jita is a cesspit of dumb and dumberer contract scammers.

Thor79
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:23:00 - [11]
 

As has been said...some are just legit.

I generally don't run my own hauling through high sec if the stuff I have to haul has a decent value (even though I have a couple alts that can haul in high sec). Not worth the risk. So I put it on contract, set the collateral to at least the value I paid for the stuff (or expect to get for it) and set the reward for a decent amount. A couple million is worth if it I can get a hauler to take my stuff across high sec to our JF pickup point through the gank squads. Not to mention it avoids the issue of hauling through high sec in the middle of a wardec.

Just because it has (what you perceive to be) a high collateral, does not mean it's a scam. People run high value stuff all the time through high sec....and frequently by contract. It just makes sense....it completely eliminates the risk since you can set the collateral to the value of your stuff (though frequently it is set higher than necessary) and have someone else risk their ship on the trip.

And 100m is a drop in the bucket when it comes to collateral. A lot of gank squads don't even attempt ganks on anything less than 500m in cargo. It just wouldn't be worth it when you have a good chunk of the squad that has to replace their ships....and everyone gets a cut after it's all over.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Edited by: Burnharder on 12/04/2011 14:32:11
The best local scams are the, "I'm leaving the game!!! I will transfer all my stuffs to you for 1 trit!!!". Then the contract is not a buy/sell, it's a sell/buy :p. You pay 100,000,000 for 1 trit.

People must fall for this bs, because otherwise people wouldn't bother doing it...... or would they? Jita is a cesspit of dumb and dumberer contract scammers.


What kills me is they still fall for it even after CCP started color coding the numeric amount (green for you get money, red for you lose money).

Which only proves that you can only do so much to code around human nature.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:31:00 - [13]
 

I also find it funny how carebears with no understanding of game mechanics cry scam at every contract posted in local.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:39:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I also find it funny how carebears with no understanding of game mechanics cry scam at every contract posted in local.


Which means they're only right 60% of the time.

Holdout
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I also find it funny how carebears with no understanding of game mechanics cry scam at every contract posted in local.


They see you trollin'
They hatin'

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Slashignore

i see people paying 2 mil to get something transportet lets say 6 jumps.. but i have to pay 100mil in insurance ?



I don't see a scam there. Using RF Freight service, you can set up a courier contract with 1 bil collateral and they charge 2.6 mil for 6 jumps. Your example of 2 mil for 6 jumps is just some guy who's too cheap to use RF Freight service.

If you have any doubt, you can accept the contract with your alt, transfer the package to your main, haul it, give the stuff back to your alt and complete the contract. That way whoever made the courier contract will not know who will haul it.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Slashignore
Edited by: Slashignore on 12/04/2011 15:47:28
Originally by: Lady Spank
I also find it funny how carebears with no understanding of game mechanics cry scam at every contract posted in local.


you fail at trolling ..
where do you see me crying ?
also why does it make me a carebear that i havent used contracts yet ?

Not too bright eh?

I was talking about people in local chat in trade/mission hubs; same as you.

Try not to be so defensive and engage your brain before hitting the OMG U TROLLE ME button Rolling Eyes

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:37:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 12/04/2011 17:48:14
Double post Laughing

Slashignore
Posted - 2011.04.12 18:08:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
Not too bright eh? I was talking about people in local chat in trade/mission hubs; same as you. Try not to be so defensive and engage your brain before hitting the OMG U TROLLE ME button Rolling Eyes



considering the huge amount of trolling and "i am better than you" types..then its pretty normal to be defensive..
and considering your last reply.. just shows you are one of them.

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.04.13 08:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Slashignore
where do you see the stupidity part ??

why dont you stop wasting your own time by posting useless comments on the forum ?


Just ignore her, you are being trolled.

W3370Pi4
Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2011.04.13 08:43:00 - [21]
 


So Cash
Posted - 2011.04.13 12:07:00 - [22]
 

Lady Spank clearly needs to remove sand from her Vagina today.

If you go in with the expectation that 99% of contracts that are posted in local are scams then you'll probably avoid scams quite well. Give it a thorough looking through and make sure the contract is realistic. No Charon for 400Mil Isk when in fact it's carbon.

Courier contracts... if it's a deal too good to miss then if you have an alt you can contract it to someone else to do it for you. That way you get the money and lower the risk of gankage. Always check what you are moving sometimes there is a very nice surprise when you realise the collateral is way lower than it should be.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.04.13 13:04:00 - [23]
 

What is annoying is all the people spamming there scam in local.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.04.13 13:11:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Another way of fooling them is using two characters
Accept the contract with one char, trade the package to another char, roll out both chars in haulers, the one carrying the package after. Watch them pop the empty hauler on the char that accepted the package, roll to destination in your pod and your alt (who's carrying the package), retransfer the package and complete the contract.


I was going to suggest the same thing, though, I'm not sure I would roll out together.


 

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