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Kraizer793
88Flak
Posted - 2011.04.12 11:56:00 - [1]
 

So I've got a L4 agent now and took my Drake into one of the missions. I could tank the mision just fine but I couldn't do any damage to the NPCs (Mostly because I kept getting jammed so much and couldn't keep consistent damage on one target long enough tobreak it's shields)

So I concluded that I need a battleship to do these missions, as I need a bit more "Umph" to take on the Battleships. My main concern is Tanking these missions. I know that the Raven and CNR are good choices, but how much DPS can these really take? OI have a Raven lying around that I purchased some time ago.

So, how much DPS should I tank for? I'm not a fan of "Pulse" Booster setups and came up with a decent perma-boost fitting for the Raven, but am not sure how well it'll hold up, given it's overall recharge is lower.

Mainly looking for survivability at the moment - I've got a friend who usually provides Target Painting / ECCM / Web support for me in missions, so there's not much worry as to the jamming as there is with the Drake (Lower Gravimetric Sensors, I guess)

If it's of any use, the quality of the agent ls 38, and it's with the Lai Dai Protection Service (Caldari Faction, for those unfamiliar)

Zin Zy
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:31:00 - [2]
 

You should be able to use your Drake, just fit an ECCM module or 2 and the jamming will happen a lot less.

But if you really want to use a raven, you should fit pretty much the same tank as on the drake, just larger version. The tank comes mainly from your resistance levels against a particular rat type. If it's Gurista, you should concentrate on kinetic and Thermal, usually i got for just 3 active kinetic hardners on armor.
If it's laser boats you are going up agains, then EM and Therm, 2 of each for shield fits. And so forth. Smile

Kraizer793
88Flak
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:50:00 - [3]
 

The Drake fit I use is

7x HML I's, scourge ammo

2x LSE II
2x Shield Recharger II
1x Kin hardener II
1x Therm hardener II

2x SPR II
1x BCS II
1x DCU II

3x CDFP Rigs

Which worked very well on the Drake, provided I kept a high transversal and stayed mobile. Yet, I'd have to put this into EFT or similar to see how a fit like my Drake's would work on a Raven. I'm thinking that the larger sig radius and slower speed would let me take off a LSE II or both and put on better hardeners, as I'd be taking more overall damage.

Slashignore
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Zin Zy
You should be able to use your Drake, just fit an ECCM module or 2 and the jamming will happen a lot less.

But if you really want to use a raven, you should fit pretty much the same tank as on the drake, just larger version. The tank comes mainly from your resistance levels against a particular rat type. If it's Gurista, you should concentrate on kinetic and Thermal, usually i got for just 3 active kinetic hardners on armor.
If it's laser boats you are going up agains, then EM and Therm, 2 of each for shield fits. And so forth. Smile


save this

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/539/basiceve.jpg

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:01:00 - [5]
 

Passive shield tank is favourable on a drake, but it doesn't work on a raven at all. Reasons are that a) you don't have a resistance bonus and b) there is no larger shield extender.

How much you need to tank always depends on how much damage you deal, besides knowing how to prioritize targets. Iirc you should aim for 800 in tank plus damage. That would be 300 dps tank for 500 dps in offensive capability.

Especially if you have decent damage output you certainly don't need cap stability. Funny thing is that you most likely have no decent damage anymore once you managed to get a fit cap stable.

Zin Zy
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:32:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Zin Zy on 12/04/2011 13:32:40
Originally by: Slashignore
Originally by: Zin Zy
You should be able to use your Drake, just fit an ECCM module or 2 and the jamming will happen a lot less.

But if you really want to use a raven, you should fit pretty much the same tank as on the drake, just larger version. The tank comes mainly from your resistance levels against a particular rat type. If it's Gurista, you should concentrate on kinetic and Thermal, usually i got for just 3 active kinetic hardners on armor.
If it's laser boats you are going up agains, then EM and Therm, 2 of each for shield fits. And so forth. Smile




save this

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/539/basiceve.jpg


Wow, that image is WAY off on both Gurista and Sansha. I've never seen a singel sansah do explosive damage, only EM missiles and lasers. And Gurista shoot kinetic missiles (with the odd thermal rocket/standard missile) and rail guns, which do kin/therm.
But the damage to inflict is correct.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:02:00 - [7]
 

Use this site to determine what to tank and resist. JoveLabs. It has summaries of what damage type to use and what the incoming damage is based on the NPC stats.


PewPewLaser
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:07:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: PewPewLaser on 12/04/2011 14:07:30
Originally by: Kraizer793
The Drake fit I use is

7x HML I's, scourge ammo

2x LSE II
2x Shield Recharger II
1x Kin hardener II
1x Therm hardener II

2x SPR II
1x BCS II
1x DCU II

3x CDFP Rigs

Which worked very well on the Drake, provided I kept a high transversal and stayed mobile. Yet, I'd have to put this into EFT or similar to see how a fit like my Drake's would work on a Raven. I'm thinking that the larger sig radius and slower speed would let me take off a LSE II or both and put on better hardeners, as I'd be taking more overall damage.


This is a fail fit. Damage control is a pvp item, shield rechargers on a drake is failx2 (why do you think tech 2 versions are like 120k)

Better fit
7x hml

2 LSE
2 active hardeners (kinetic deflection field + explosion dampening field for example, mission specific though)
2 passive hardeners (kinetic deflection amp etc etc, also mission specific)
(Can drop one passive hardener for an AB if you like or a MWD if you can fit it, if i drop the large shield extenders for F-59 regolith the MWD fits comfortably)

lows
2 shield power relay's
2 ballistic control units
(in level 3's and easy 4's go with 3 ballistic control units)

rigs are 3x shield power relay.


SexTrader
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:07:00 - [9]
 

Do not passive tank a Raven. There may be others, but the only battleship I would passive tank is the Rattlesnake (maybe).

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.04.12 20:00:00 - [10]
 

on a high dps fit a ~300 tank is sufficient for all missions. in my raven on gurista missions I don't really even use my cap booster and eft says I have a reenforced tank of 183, with the cap booster that jumps up to around 700, so there is plenty of tank for an "oh ****" moment. a 400-500 tank should be sufficient if you pay attention to eve-survival when you run the missions. but if you just go in guns blazing might want more.

that and if you keep getting jammed might not want to move out of the drake with its super tank. just switching to a raven won't make the jamming go away, that's how I lost my first raven, that was about 4 years ago now haven't lost another one. got near permajammed and scrammed.

Kraizer793
88Flak
Posted - 2011.04.13 02:29:00 - [11]
 

Thanks for all the good advice thus far guys.

I'lltry the above Drake fit out. It seems to be a bit better than my current one.

And my main goal for getting a Raven fitted was so that I could kill the ECM ships faster, as I couldn't maintain my DPS on a target for very long before getting Jammed. By the time I re-locked the target, it's shields were mostly recovered and the whole thing became pointless.

ANyways, I'll try out the Drake fitting above, as it looks to have much higher damage output and it may work better for me. If It doesn't hold up well enough for me, I'll probably look into a better DPS Fit for the Raven, as to keep it cap stable requires the loss of a good bit of firepower.

TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.04.13 08:15:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: TImora Fosty on 13/04/2011 08:24:04
Edited by: TImora Fosty on 13/04/2011 08:16:52
I'm currently doing missions for lvl 4 sansha's agents in G-ME, in a drake, my character is only 2 month old and it seems than i can solo every mission theese agents give to me, exept DED Blockade (haven't even tried, it's scary (= )
im just warping in, and orbiting any structure in 40-50 km, i'm rather proficient with heavy missiles and shield tanking and have battlecruisers at 4,
my fit looks somewhat like this
-----------------------------------------------------
High slots:
- x7 Heavy Missile launcher II (i've managed to fit them a couple of days ago) with mission speciefic ammo
-----------------------------------------------------
Med slots:
- 3x mission speciefic hardeners tier II
- 2x large shield extenter II
- 1x Shield recharger II
-----------------------------------------------------
Low slots:
- 2x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
- 2x Ballistic control II
-----------------------------------------------------
Rigs:
- 2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender
- 1x Medium Core Defence Field Purger
-----------------------------------------------------

I've never used EFT and things like that but i can tell that with this ^ fit i have mission speciefic resists over 80-85% and shield recharge at 91 as it is showed in ship fitting window ingame
P.S. this fit is cap. stable at my current skills

P.S.S. sometimes agents give me missions against Cadari navy where they give me heavy jamming, so i usually skip them, and if the revard for them is pretty tasty i fit 2xGravimetric Backup Array I for ballistic controls to avoid perma jamming (still get jammed sometimes but have enough time to shoot)


 

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