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Aamrr
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:22:00 - [31]
 

I support two changes for the retribution:
  1. Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.

  2. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.


*Proceeds to drool*

Trader20
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:42:00 - [32]
 

Just get 2 of them. The first ret can mwd to the target and get in range, then warp to 0 with the other ret and scram him.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:57:00 - [33]
 

That may very well be the funniest thing I've heard all day. +1 to you sir.

Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.04.12 22:37:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.

MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.

was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.



This^

I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.

The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.04.12 22:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
I support two changes for the retribution:
  1. Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.

  2. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.


*Proceeds to drool*

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Silver Hair Carson
Posted - 2011.04.12 22:43:00 - [36]
 

Fit it for bait+tackle or bait+cyno. You'll get fights where a maller wont.

2x 400mm / c-type anp / eanm ii / damage control
long point
125mm ac's
trimarks

27000ehp all v, 53000 with slaves and legion

Neamus
Posted - 2011.04.13 11:34:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
I support two changes for the retribution:
  1. Give it a 5th turret and the fittings to use it.

  2. In the unlikely event that Assault Frigates finally get their 4th bonus, make it a 5% RoF bonus.


*Proceeds to drool*


Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.04.13 11:50:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Proxyyyy
I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently...

Full gank/range Coercer is hard as hell to defeat unless you start at point blank range and insanely fun to fly to boot .. 250dps@20km is borderline OP in the frigate/dessie realm Very Happy
Originally by: Neamus
Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.

Why would you want to nerf it just to fulfil the fallacy that is "all ships must have point!"?
It would effectively make a lot of fun and functional fits utterly useless and pigeon hole it into the boring buffer > all paradigm.

Giving it a 5th turret slot on the other hand adds to the complexity of the ship by allowing for max gank or alternatives just as it did for the Zeal (yes, it is still viable with 4guns+nos/neut).

Haleuth
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.04.13 18:19:00 - [39]
 

The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly.

Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off?

proof


Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.04.13 19:23:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Actually I'd prefer it if they changed the existing 5th high to a mid slot instead, then it would be interesting.

But... the retribution wouldn't be good if you just gave it a midslot.

It's not fast enough to really kite effectively. It has tracking problems against other frigates at close range. It can't fit a web and a point. It gives up the only advantage it has (range) if it's limited to the 9km scram range, and has absolutely no method of keeping other, faster ships from warping away if it fits a 24km point. The Vengeance would still make a much better tackler and other AFs would still be more useful in the 'general combat' role.

Besides, the 2 midslot, fast, range-bonused laser frigate you want already exists - it's called the Navy Slicer. Want a close range one? Crusader is right this way.

On the other hand, giving the Retribution a significant increase in damage - (+56% to +66%, for a 5th turret and either a damage or RoF bonus respectively) solidifies its place as the "DPS projection" assault ship, giving it about 300/320 DPS at 24km in a gank fit (medium pulse II, 2 HS, 2 TE, damage rig, range rig) and close to 400 DPS at close range. This is a clear damage advantage over other assault ships, at the expense of literally 100% of its utility (as it has one midslot for a MWD and zero utility highs), and while it's not as much damage as a bomber (and lacking the cloaking, EWAR, and bomb options), the Retribution does its DPS with frigate-level precision.

Dorah Hawkwing
Old Galactic Earth Regiment
Dragoon Federation
Posted - 2011.04.14 09:31:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 14/04/2011 09:46:42
Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 14/04/2011 09:33:24
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....

4* Medium Beam II
1* Phased Monopropelland MWD
Tank of your choice.... My chice was 2* HS II, Tracking Enhancer II, 2* ANP II

And you have the ability to reposition yourself fast and reach out with auora to insane ranges for a gun frig. Harpy beats it flat in that regard, but less dps.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.04.14 14:24:00 - [42]
 

So what's that utility high for? Looking pretty? Laughing

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.04.14 17:31:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....

wow a whopping 115 dps from 50km how terrifying Rolling Eyes

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:12:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Haleuth
The retribution dosn't need more mid slots, just more skill to fly.

Who needs a point when you can blow stuff up before it even gets a chance to warp off?

proof




As someone who has killed cruisers in both the coercer and the retribution with no way of keeping the target there....

Blowing up a ****** doesn't count.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:33:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Hint: The retri has a 50 km lock range for a reason....

Slicer is considerably better at those ranges, much faster but with similar range/dps.
Only fun until Arty Trash #873 comes along and finds your untanked bling in his optimal though Laughing

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:41:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.

MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.

was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.



This^

I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.

The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).


So basically what you're saying is, the niché of the Retribution is to kill idiots?
Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do.

Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?

Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:52:00 - [47]
 

To be fair, frigate fights are generally over very quickly and someone doesn't have to hesitate for much more than a few seconds, in the right situation, to get popped by a gank-fit retribution. Whereas other frigates with that DPS have to get in close first (which takes a few seconds especially if you overshoot) the Retri does it from a decent range.

I agree though, it definitely needs MOAR DAMAGE to make up for its complete and utter lack of ability to do anything else, and I'd rather see it do one thing very well than two things (it would be a mediocre combat frigate even with a 2nd midslot) poorly.

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:14:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington

Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?



It's good fun to rat in, that's about it.

Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.04.14 23:44:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Proxyyyy on 15/04/2011 03:08:08
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 14/04/2011 19:41:56
Originally by: Proxyyyy
Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 12/04/2011 21:16:42
The Ret is much like the Coercer. You don't always need a point, because it can overwhelm a target that intends to fight you with it's DPS. Meaning people don't always have time to warp before they realize they are in the ****.

MWD Coercer is awesome at this kind of thing as well but you pretty much have to depend on people not realizing they are screwed and yes it actually does happen.

was dead before I realized how much DPS he was doing. Align and warp often take too much time and you can be dead before you know it.



This^

I have also lost to a coercer many times before (6 times back in the day)and to a retribution most recently.

The retribution is ALOT more durable (200mm plate = 9500/ehp or SAR) and has higher velocity, when compared with a Coercer. I use them in engagements when faced with, multiple frigates and destroyers. Engagements that a thrasher cant handle (1 v 15 type ting, on grid).


So basically what you're saying is, the niché of the Retribution is to kill idiots?
Yeah, great. That's totally something no other ship can do.

Seriously, even the pro-retri people are having to really having to dig around the bottom of the barrel for roles for this trash. Isn't that a bad sign in and of itself?

Either give the damn thing an extra mid, or give it the dps to actually justify its role as "frigate dps" that can actually match the other races equivilents.


Inappropriate post removed. Please refrain from personal attacks in the future. Spitfire

Tsakir Pan
Posted - 2011.04.15 06:16:00 - [50]
 

With my other char I flew a retribution for years.
Retrib was withstanding the dps from 2-3 AFs and killing completely different target (FC orders) before I turn to the others and send them to pods.
And this on the 'laggy years' on the aftermaths of GNW and later.

The ship is awesome, people have to think out of the box, and start playing with others not solo.
There are solo ships out there, and Retribution isn't one of them.

Billy Stevens
Caldari
Psykotic Meat
Posted - 2011.04.15 09:27:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Billy Stevens on 15/04/2011 09:27:17
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/44148-Retribution-lulbait.html

only thing you can do with retri's are to lolfit it and fly it in frig gangs

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.04.15 10:53:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 15/04/2011 10:54:34
Quote:
I could link you 7 clips/videos and killmails, all using the retribution or engagements against Realy good pvper's


They obviously weren't really good PVPers if they died to a solo Retribution. Simple as that.
Unless you're talking gang? In which case the rest of this thread makes it abundantly clear that different ships can do the same job better.

I ignored the rest of your idiotic post because you then devolved into the kind of rant I'd expect from an 8 year old.

*snip* Spitfire

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.15 11:37:00 - [53]
 

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