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Kraizer793
88Flak
Posted - 2011.04.11 11:11:00 - [1]
 

So I and a few friends have begun some small-time production and manufacturing, and are looking to expand into T2, yet with all of the HiSec station research slots used up for miles around, We've begun contemplating setting up a POS to do our research from, as well as to store manufactured goods, personal items, and so on.

Yet, I've never set up a POS and was mostly concerned with what to put at the tower. I have a caldari Small Tower lying around that I could anchor down or sell away. I'm trying to keep the fuel costs relatively low for now (If I am correct, a Small tower is about 50-60mil a month), So my feww questions are as follows:

1: How much "Stuff" can be placed at a small tower? I'm looking for a few labs, a ship maintenance array, a corporate hangar, and an assembly array of sorts. Can all this fit under the roof of a Small POS?

2: Where to put the POS? I've spent a while scowering the whole of Hisec trying to find a suitable moon, yet all of them are taken, mostly with dormant POSes that have long run out of fuel. I'd set up a lowsec POS but I'd prefer to avoid the risks involved at first until we have a bit more income from manufacturing.

3: What race's tower would be the most suited to a general corporate hub and research facility?

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.11 11:32:00 - [2]
 


Greg Huff
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:55:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kraizer793
1: How much "Stuff" can be placed at a small tower? I'm looking for a few labs, a ship maintenance array, a corporate hangar, and an assembly array of sorts. Can all this fit under the roof of a Small POS?
I like using EveHQ. It makes seeing the results of different components very easy.

Originally by: Kraizer793
2: Where to put the POS? I've spent a while scowering the whole of Hisec trying to find a suitable moon, yet all of them are taken, mostly with dormant POSes that have long run out of fuel. I'd set up a lowsec POS but I'd prefer to avoid the risks involved at first until we have a bit more income from manufacturing.
There are TONS of available moons in high-sec. It depends where you're looking. The closer you get to trade hubs (especially Jita) the less you will find available.

You will want to rent a corp office in the same system as your pos so find a station with multiple vacancies, that has available moons in the system.

Originally by: Kraizer793
3: What race's tower would be the most suited to a general corporate hub and research facility?
For industrial high-sec pos... Caldari.

Kraizer793
88Flak
Posted - 2011.04.11 23:10:00 - [4]
 

I found the POS Fitting Tool quite useful. I think a medium Cldari tower is more what I need, as a small tower can barely house two labs under it's shield without stinging on CPU and Power. The main concern is fueling. How much per month (On average) wil a Caldari Medium POS cost me? I've heard anywhere from 75-125mil a month, which isn't that big an issue, but I'm still wondering if the extra ISK is worth the extra goodies I can put into a medium POS.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.04.12 00:06:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/04/2011 04:25:58

Generally, each larger size of control tower uses twice as much fuel as the previous. This only applies to isotopes and some commodities though, not Heavy Water or Liquid Ozone, which are determined by the modules you online.

I started with a medium, and replaced it soon after with a large, and regretted ever using a the medium (it is a huge pain to upgrade a control tower).

If you are doing PI on a few characters, you can easily pay the fuel bill for even a large control tower, especially with the help of friends. I think in hisec even the highly abundant water can be harvested and sold to buy enough fuel.

Finding a free moon isn't hard, but finding a system with a good location and good office is tough. Offices with more services (repair, clone, 50% reprocessing, mission agents) or manufacturing tend to be high rent.

For example, I once found 2 free moons 2 jumps from Jita. The offices were horrible (no services, and high rent). I ended-up anchoring 3 jumps from Amarr in a system with a great office (not perfect - the manufacturing fees were outrageous, but I already had manufacturing arrays).

Location! Location! Location! (Ombey's 2D EVE Maps and DOTLAN might help)

Keep looking.

Caghji
Posted - 2011.04.12 02:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/04/2011 00:13:30

Each larger size of control tower uses twice as much fuel as the previous. This only applies to isotopes and commodities though, not Heavy Water or Liquid Ozone, which are determined by the modules you online.





not all commodities - robotics for example is 1PH for any POS - and some commodities are slightly less than 'double - which means if you are thinking big and will be using all that CPU and PG large tower is cheaper than several medium/small towers

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.04.12 04:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Caghji
not all commodities - robotics for example is 1PH for any POS - and some commodities are slightly less than 'double - which means if you are thinking big and will be using all that CPU and PG large tower is cheaper than several medium/small towers

I knew I shouldn't have edited out the post originally beginning with "Generally", but I figured nobody would be as pedantic as I usually am. Razz

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.12 07:34:00 - [8]
 

I would start off with a small -> online tower, 2 mobile labs, nothing else. Get busy inventing. You can then get a feel for how much it costs v how much you're making. Only then would I commit to a larger POS. The first month is kind-of experimental and therefore you don't want to invest too much into it.

Greg Huff
Posted - 2011.04.12 11:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Finding a free moon isn't hard, but finding a system with a good location and good office is tough. Offices with more services (repair, clone, 50% reprocessing, mission agents) or manufacturing tend to be high rent.
Agreed.

When we were scouting for new headquarters we found compromising on available services made a huge difference.
  • Unless you jump-clone or do serious pvp a cloning station 1-2 jumps away is fine
  • Reprocessing - Office has 35%, another in-system station has 50%. Drop ore there, move minerals to office.
  • Small compromises like this are worth it when paying 10k per month for rent for over a year.

    Keep in mind, before you decide to rip down your tower and upgrade to check you corp standings. Getting 1/2 way through an upgrade and realizing you can't anchor a pos... priceless (for LOL's) Laughing

    Hecate Lamia
    Posted - 2011.04.12 11:12:00 - [10]
     

    I just took down a small guristas tower( its on contract in jita, buy me now) Saves a good amount of fuel per month. we had 3 labs running in it. Still had cpu and power left over. The faction tower cost a bit more in start up, 250ish, but will save you more than that over time, then you can sell it when you move on to something else.

    Rek Seven
    Gallente
    Zandathorn Industries
    Posted - 2011.04.12 12:14:00 - [11]
     

    Can you put 2 POS's close together?

    Rotgut
    Posted - 2011.04.12 12:28:00 - [12]
     

    No, Each pos must have its own moon but you can have more than 1 pos in the system...

    Greg Huff
    Posted - 2011.04.12 13:09:00 - [13]
     

    Originally by: Hecate Lamia
    I just took down a small guristas tower( its on contract in jita, buy me now) Saves a good amount of fuel per month. we had 3 labs running in it. Still had cpu and power left over. The faction tower cost a bit more in start up, 250ish, but will save you more than that over time, then you can sell it when you move on to something else.
    The benefits of pirate faction towers is in the fuel consumption, shield and deployment times. The CPU and Powergrid are the same as their empire faction counterparts. I know the prices of these have climbed a lot over the last few months** and can be hard to justify for high-sec industry use. I wouldn't recommend it, unless you have a lot of isk you want to part with.

    ** Disclaimer: I have not price checked any towers recently and they may have come back down.

    Tau Cabalander
    Posted - 2011.04.12 16:49:00 - [14]
     

    Originally by: Greg Huff
    The benefits of pirate faction towers is in the fuel consumption, shield and deployment times. The CPU and Powergrid are the same as their empire faction counterparts. I know the prices of these have climbed a lot over the last few months** and can be hard to justify for high-sec industry use. I wouldn't recommend it, unless you have a lot of isk you want to part with.

    ** Disclaimer: I have not price checked any towers recently and they may have come back down.

    For what it is worth, my corp has 4 large control towers, and every one of them is of the regular non-faction variety. The ISK I saved on the control tower I spent on defensive modules (99!) and BPO.

    With a small or medium faction control tower the price is much less of an issue, but still significant, especially when you are first starting out in industry.

    I started with a medium Dread Guristas, and quickly sold it and upgraded to a Domination large. I then sold that and bought the Caldari I currently use. I wish I had just started with the Caldari large to begin with.

    Mara Villoso
    Posted - 2011.04.12 17:02:00 - [15]
     

    Edited by: Mara Villoso on 12/04/2011 17:04:25
    The faction tower fuel savings are no longer worth the price of the tower. The difference between fueling a DG large and a Caldari large for one full year at today's prices is only 650million (roughly 50mill per month). The DG large towers are currently on contracts for 3bill or more. It would take 4 or more years to benefit from that savings. A Caldari large is only 180mill or so. Today, even the smaller faction towers are overpriced. They have a similar disparity in savings vs price.

    However, I happen to have one (from long, long ago)! Fueling it for 8 weeks at today's prices cost me just about 474million (add approx 50mil per month for non faction). Since my most current building project will net me about twice that profit in less than a week, I don't think of it as much of an expense. In the old days, the Caldari towers went for around 500 or 600 million and the DG went for about 1.4. So it made more sense to buy one for the fuel savings.


     

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