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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:51:00 - [121]

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: d4shing
I think the best thing that can happen to this game is that CCP runs out of money and its investors/creditors force a sale to EA

Neutral Ouch, harsh...

Afaik EA tried once. Didn't happen.

Ed Rush
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:57:00 - [122]

If they'd believe in EVE, wouldn't they be rewriting it instead of Incarna. In my opinion the Incarna tech they're developing is primarily for the World of Darkness MMO and of course they're making it on EVE's expense.

I really do hope World of Darkness ends up like the WoW clones that didn't make profit.

Posted - 2011.04.10 15:00:00 - [123]

I think we can agree that most of the incarna pieces delivered so far have been crap out of the gate... including the character creator which has been mostly fixed.

But still CCP continues to feed us crap, and then "iterate" on crap until it tastes less like crap.

I'm tired of crap.

Naya Sky
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:03:00 - [124]

Edited by: Naya Sky on 10/04/2011 15:03:18
I think that EVE has tremendous amount of potential and practically limitless possibilities for expansion of the EVE universe. But at the same time EVE has an enormous amount of flaws. It seems that CCP is really focused on delivering new features... but without a solid foundation and care the potential of EVE is being wasted.

Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:03:00 - [125]

Are people expecting CCP to do a full reverse and work on the backlog? What do you think the chances of this occurring are if they're "full steam ahead" on Incarna?

What happens if we're all proven wrong and the "vision" CCP has touted does indeed garner large amounts of subscribers? Will players admit they were wrong? Or will they continue to say that CCP is moving in the wrong direction?

It seems easy to predict what could happen in the coming weeks and months.

Step 1: New forums back up and running with security loophole fixed sans aesthetic changes or other suggestions players have supplied.
Step 2: Threadnaughts about CCP's lack of commitment listening to player feedback. Most likely spead-headed by Akita.
Step 3: CCP eventually makes some of the changes called for by the players.
Step 4: Threadnaughts created saying it's too late and these changes should have been made some time ago. Players will enjoy the new changes regardless.
Step 5: CCP releases Captain's Quarters on Sisi
Step 6: Threadnaughts created detailing CCPs lack of committment to the "core" aspects of EVE and Walking in Stations is not the future of the game.
Step 7: CCP offers their reasoning as to why they believe it is, players disagree.
Step 8: CCP does a slow roll-out of Incarna beginning with Captain's Quarters.
Step 9: Players respond with, "That's it?" when they should have seen this coming with the implementation method of Incursion. Threadnaughts generated about waiting so long for so little.
Step 10a: Incarna allows players to physically see the avatar they create, fulfilling the basic psychological need of attaching to a human face/form/familiarity. EVE is now touted as the full sci-fi experience, subs increase dramatically. Vets will dislike the attitudes/opinions of incoming players, threadnaughts generate about CCP's shift in management and design doctrine, not conducive to quality spaceshippy game.
Step 10b: Incarna is an utter failure, next Age of Shadows or New Game Experience debacle. Players on the "right (correct)" side do not hesitate to point out they were right, and will show CCP where exactly things went wrong, even though it's far too late. Happy to see they're correct and accepted, but without a spaceship game they call home. Leave. Threadnaughts generated lamenting of the past, how great things were, how great they could have been, and asking for suggestions on another game to play. Perhaps World of Tanks.
Step 11: Life goes on.
Step 12: People will think I'm a troll or a moron for writing this or providing a "disagreeable" view against the norm of this thread.
Step 13: Life goes on!Very Happy

//For fun and to stir the pot.

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:05:00 - [126]

Originally by: d4shing

I think the best thing that can happen to this game is that CCP runs out of money and its investors/creditors force a sale to EA,

extremely harsh... by this time, EVE as whole will be long since dead, and the only pilots in space will be Chribba and his alts...

I wholeheartedly agree with Akita and the fact that we need less new shiny (unless ofc, WE are making it in our sandbox, and using it to blow up the other guy Twisted Evil )

CCP --> you have done a great job getting us a game outside the mainstream of WOW and its predecessors/clones. You have to keep this up, but not through the addition of crap features that you leave to die.

*some* of the fail of your new features can be attributed to going completely against the general rules of EVE -- mayhap you should re-read them.

Rules of EVE (as I understand them):

0. Trust no one, not even your alts -- they're all out to get you
1. If you can't afford to insure it, you can't afford to fly it
2. Trust no one
3. If it's too good to be true, it's probably a scam
4. That guy who's "quitting" and will give you 3x what you gave him won't
?. TRUST NO ONE (you see the pattern here?)

FW and Incursions --> wait what, I'm now suddenly supposed to trust that the guy in a BS I've never flown with is *NOT* going to OMGWTFPWN my logistics cruiser??? Really??? (might not be so much FW though, was busy doing other stuff when that came about..)

Ed Rush
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:07:00 - [127]

Maybe CCP thinks that EVE is the perfect beta testing framework for other projects.

DJ DeLaMuerta
Weird Science Inc.

Posted - 2011.04.10 15:26:00 - [128]


Viceroy Fugly
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:43:00 - [129]


Misaki Yuuko
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:44:00 - [130]

CCP going downhill nonshocker.

What CCP REALLY needs is some competition, unfortunatlly there is none for their niche market share.

Supported anyway.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:48:00 - [131]

Originally by: Jon Taggart
Are people expecting CCP to do a full reverse and work on the backlog?

Not really. But some more attention to it would be nice.
And some decent QA work before anything goes live is a must.

What happens if we're all proven wrong and the "vision" CCP has touted does indeed garner large amounts of subscribers?

IF this happens while the EVE of that day is still recognizably similar to the EVE we have today, then I would be content.
Not happy, but content.
Problem is, from where I'm standing, I don't think we're going to get there if things keep happening the way they seem to be happening more often in the more or less recent past.

Posted - 2011.04.10 15:49:00 - [132]

Since when has CCP ever "listened" ? A constant barrage of new ideas and schemes being implented only to be nerfed 6 months later shows a certain lack of forward thinking. What is worse are the instances where the player base warned CCP that what they are doing is wrong and then were proven right. Anyways, good post Akita

Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:56:00 - [133]


Kristina Vanszar
Posted - 2011.04.10 15:59:00 - [134]

The Chart provieded by Akita is pretty much what will happen, as i know from the stock market, two big spikes like you see at the end of CCPs chart and the beggining of Akits is a signal for a big drop.

Fully supported!

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:00:00 - [135]

The idea of this thread has my absolute support.

Inka Kaoru

Posted - 2011.04.10 16:05:00 - [136]

Sub canceled, but still supporting.

Posted - 2011.04.10 16:12:00 - [137]

fully supported

Pax Ratlin
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:24:00 - [138]

CCP's attitude and behaviour surrounding 1.4 just proves to me how much lip service they are paying to their customers and the game.

They'd rather forge ahead in their own direction and damn everyone else, which would be fine except THEY took steps towards player involvement in the development process.

Either use the CSM or lose it CCP.

Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:26:00 - [139]

Edited by: Ren Nekk on 10/04/2011 16:30:50

I am not by any means a true old-school player, but I have been playing with many accounts for about 2 years now and I have consistently kept up with the forums and various other sorts of EVE-news. As a result, I have a lot of respect for the (older) EVE community and comparatively little respect for CCP.

I really don't want to have to think about canceling my accounts anywhere down the line, but undoubtedly I will if EVE loses the bulk of its most important player base - those people who have been with it for years, perhaps from the beginning, and care greatly for the game as a whole - not those who have wandered here looking for their next MMO fix, which undoubtedly EVE will satisfy for a year or two, before they cancel and move on to something else.

So yeah, supported.

Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:27:00 - [140]

i support this

The "Character Market" Channel Featured on ( Chribba's Website for Character show room )

Character Name Redacted
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:32:00 - [141]

Supported. Of course, how can you NOT support this?

Frecator Dementa
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:36:00 - [142]

2/3 subs cancelled, but supported

Fix 'dem darn papercuts !

Posted - 2011.04.10 16:42:00 - [143]

Edited by: Sloshyblooms on 10/04/2011 16:42:34
Supported. Half-baked "shiny" new stuff makes me consider leaving Eve. Eve is fun but unfinished content tends to cancel a bunch of that out. Also, walking in stations is dumb. I want to play Eve, not the Sims.

On a positive note, I really enjoyed a lot of the recent minor fixes and improvements. Polish the content you have, CCP, then add new stuff (I can wait for new stuff if have a fun non-buggy internet spaceship mmo to pass the time).

Mercof Mercy
Posted - 2011.04.10 16:54:00 - [144]


Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry

Posted - 2011.04.10 16:54:00 - [145]

Originally by: Guilliman R

Hell yes. CCP is starting to look like EA before their image review. Raping everything they get their hands on for quick return.

I've got myself a deadline; I'll wait till summer (august) and if by then the most glaring issues aren't solved (hybrids, gallente, OP 1400's (seriously, arty abbadons!???), Stupid OP Supers that make all caps obsolete. Industry changes (UI..)) I'll just find a new game to play, or focus more on studying physics. I can only wait so long.

I really hate EA for ruining so many cool universes, now ccp is doing the same thing. It's the exact same path they're taking.

Specific gameplay issues are not that much of a problem. Players can adapt to it fairly quick. Let's take a look on your examples:
- hybrids are not THAT bad. I use them on my alt almost exclusively and all I can say that they are not that useful, but they still have their use
- Gallente are not broken. One of the best PvE and PvP ships around. Ok, maybe capitals are much more useful than the capitals from other races, but that's basically it.
- 1400 are not OP. They are only a tool used to fight in lag where ROF is not important. Abaddons are used because they can have the most raw HP, which is also important in lag.
- supers are OP, that I'll agree with you.
- Industry UI is screaming for changes.

The bigger problem is screwing customers over. Their recent nerf of anomalies where a lot of small alliances lost their invested ISK (which is in fact a very big deal for smaller entities), CCP's lack of understanding of 0.0 warfare and player mentality (wars over Sanctums anyone?), their hilarious reimbursement policy based on "our logs show nothing" principle and non-existent customer support are making the biggest impact. So far, we've got only hints of a fight against bots and that the lag will be more tolerable with the new hardware/building core code. One more drop in the almost full glass of bad decisions and irrational ideas is the new "banning rule" of the alliance tournament (come on... seriously ugh) - it's a minor annoyance that will affect small amount of players, but it shows that the idea itself wasn't even discussed inside CCP for potential flaws/downsides. It was only driven by "how cool does it sound"Rolling Eyes.

Btw. the idea for nerfing 0.0 PvE was influenced by their lead economist who only had the statistical data from the economy, but failed to notice or didn't get the data from other CCP's departments that in the Q4 of the last year (and continued to this year) we had major rise in the amount of bots, primarily mission running/ratting ones. I'm talking about thousands of them.

Posted - 2011.04.10 16:59:00 - [146]

big time.Exclamation

Danger Girl.

Posted - 2011.04.10 17:09:00 - [147]


Guilliman R
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.04.10 17:24:00 - [148]

Change of plan, cancelled 2 accounts, keeping two open (one is POS/invention one, and the other is my main.)

Not sure about the future, weather they go back up later depends on CCP.

Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.04.10 17:42:00 - [149]


Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.04.10 17:44:00 - [150]

CCP Wake Up. You have a solid customer base. Stop trying to sell out and appeal to the masses, stick to what you are good at.

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