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Hunin Ravensong
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:51:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Hunin Ravensong on 07/04/2011 04:53:45
5 Kb - 16Kb a sec on a 700 meg patch, followed by another large patch the next day is rediculous. (My connection is at 1 MB/ sec, and shows less that 1% in use) Downloading the patch manually is also a failure, as it downlods at the same rediculously slow speed, only to fail due to a corrupted file.

Perhaps since you guys at CCP could dedicate a little more bandwidth to the patch downloads?

(Also I notice that glitchy patches never come out near the end of the month where people have gotten their moneys worth out of their subscription, but at the beginning so that CCP got paid for the month regardless of the customer's ability (or desire) to play the "patched" game)

Corection - now it's only coming across at 300 BYTES a second - with 17 days left to download - this does not make me a happy player

Dana Bomfim
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:57:00 - [122]
 

Eletronic warfare seems to be an issue when people try to understand it, so it isnt worth answer a complaint about something working as it should be and people asking for "fix" to turn it wrong. I would be amazed if soon you would be able to counter a L4 mission with something you can pilot in 2 or 3 weeks given the needed learning time for most of other things. But there is something wrong about learning mechanics indeed. To be a fighter, you can just max up Willpower and Perception, cut off days of learning, and boom, in weeks you are piloting something worth (not to smash L4 missions with a not fighter ship, but still something amazing). On the other hand, industrial pilots cant max up because they still need willpower and Perception to train industrial ships in a fashinable way. No wonder why most people are fixed in combat, and most new pilots give up industrial and go for fighting. And no wonder most people even give up fighting eletronic warfare and other logistics to simple fighting. It is a longer and complex way to achieve other goals than simply guns and battle ships.
If you go to the stats about ships being used, training and so on, you see that many people complain about EW, tell CCP have to change this or that, but a few people actually pilot that kind of ship, or train the right skills to do that properly.
It is not enough to train the prereqs for EW modules, fit them and expect optimal results. As for guns, and all in EVE, optimal results come from other skills than the prereqs.

Frenis Tiwara
Posted - 2011.04.07 05:00:00 - [123]
 

The new selected item window is a little weird for my liking. The portrait of the ship/item in selected is now too small to see very clearly, especially on larger resolutions. An option to turn off the character portraits would be immensely nice too, as it really provides nothing in terms of gameplay other than something else in the way of a streamlined UI.

(I know the purpose is to get use out of the new portraits, especially with the upcoming focus on them in Incarna, but still...)

Dana Bomfim
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.04.07 05:01:00 - [124]
 

There is a simple solution:
Go play browser games, quick downloads, crappy graphics and added to glitches of the client itself, you get the glitches from the OBJECT used to run the game, the browser itself, and the rendering from a browser window.

Gotta be a little coherent on this one: Either you ask them to make better graphics, better performance and lots of features, or ask for a "couple mbs" game. You cant have both.

Quick solution ? Go play farmville.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2011.04.07 05:12:00 - [125]
 

Some of the problems caused by this patch just shows that CCP no longer test any patches. I accept that you cant allow for every single users set-up, but something like modules having to go through a complete cycle before stopping is down to incompetence not a users setup. You seriously are getting worse instead of better.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.04.07 05:42:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 07/04/2011 05:47:08
Originally by: Dana Bomfim
There is a simple solution:
Go play browser games, quick downloads, crappy graphics and added to glitches of the client itself, you get the glitches from the OBJECT used to run the game, the browser itself, and the rendering from a browser window.

Gotta be a little coherent on this one: Either you ask them to make better graphics, better performance and lots of features, or ask for a "couple mbs" game. You cant have both.

Quick solution ? Go play farmville.


Not true -I field supported code much more massive than this heap and even major patches and upgrades were at most 200M - and that was with support across 4 different OS's. The size of this "patch" just exposes poor software implementation - no modularization. Also, the bug/error rate smells like rank spaghetti code. Both of these would make testing problematic, if not completely impossible to do adequately, much less thoroughly. Unfortunately it would take a year of recoding to fix such a mess and that's not possible when the marketing department controls the company. Marketing? Yeah, that's why you have broken, shiny new features all the time instead of dependable, clean interfaces.

Hint: CCP Software managers - make your programmers justify every byte they use. You'll find that memory leaks and bloated images just start to fade away. Bonus: the programmer won't loose sight of what he's required to implement. Less likely to trip on his own shoe strings

Jitorius
Posted - 2011.04.07 05:48:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Jitorius on 07/04/2011 05:48:14

Jim Ned
Posted - 2011.04.07 06:16:00 - [128]
 

I've logged on twice now with the new patch. Each time it takes less than 5 minutes from my client to become unresponsive. I am not in the character creation part either. One minute I am sitting in station. The next minute every thing stops moving and client is non-responsive.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.04.07 06:18:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Mattias Kerensky
Originally by: Charlotte Yakamoto
The storing of fittings on the server does not work for me on this character. I get a popup asking me what fittings I wish to store on the server. Pressing the OK button however doesn't do anything, no matter if I have no fittings selected, all of them, or just a random selection. Also, emptying my fittings folder does not help, neither does clearing my cache.

It works perfectly fine on another account using the same client however.


I have this problem also, and it's INSANELY ANNOYING. Just saying.

experiencing the same issue

Torothanax
Posted - 2011.04.07 06:58:00 - [130]
 

Cool, tattoos.

Can you add this one back in please?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Sai Hullud
Gallente
ACME Mining and Manufacturing Corp
Posted - 2011.04.07 07:33:00 - [131]
 


Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Apparently mining lasers complete a cycle now instead of turning off when you click them off.


Yeah, I noticed the same problem... I like to cycle my lasers to make sure I'm not wasting my time mining an empty rock. I also noted that if you do turn them off durring a cycle you get no ore for that whole cycle, and if you warp to station without turning them off they continue to run during warp and report the laser failure after you leave the station again. Confused

Agent Mayer
Posted - 2011.04.07 07:44:00 - [132]
 

I try to make the contract by clicking the right button on the item, as i did before. The contract-window appeared, I filled all the fields, but i realised that contract was creating for the 'NONE'. I need to find this item in the list... It's rather inconvenient to find that item in the item-list in contract-window...

Vatueil
Posted - 2011.04.07 08:03:00 - [133]
 

lol fail 2+ hours download on 24/8 mbps connection

Delta Bacat
Posted - 2011.04.07 08:07:00 - [134]
 

Woohoo! My "Socket was closed" error is gone!

(had that every time I tried to log in)

Samsaryo
Posted - 2011.04.07 08:14:00 - [135]
 

I am almost sure that I'm the one who use the earliest Pc for EVE.. And you know what? So far everything goes- no errors-enough space ect.

That's a statement for CCP Exclamation

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:23:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 07/04/2011 09:27:04
I simply hate character picture loading in the overview when I click on a ship in space. As soon as my character's portraits get rendered on the server and my client picks them up, I'm blocking the image server.

edit: For all of you with slow downloading problems, check out Chribba's torrent thread here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493242.

Vatueil
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:25:00 - [137]
 

seems to be up and running .....


but i'll tell you, old people f&^K faster....

Shocked

Magnus Witchspace
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:30:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Magnus Witchspace on 07/04/2011 09:30:24
Originally by: Samsaryo
I am almost sure that I'm the one who use the earliest Pc for EVE.. And you know what? So far everything goes- no errors-enough space ect.

That's a statement for CCP Exclamation


Not quite sure what you're trying to say there, but dude, what happened to your face?

Magnus Witchspace
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:44:00 - [139]
 

I might be a newbie to Eve, but I'm not a newbie to the principles of programming and life in general. I'm smiling as I write this, but I think this is the worst software release I have ever had the misfortune of being the victim of. There's so many introduced bugs that I fear the worst: No established software company fails to do the rudimentary testing that would have detected the bugs users have listed so far... So these can't be bugs... they must be intended 'features'!

Nooooooooo!!!!!! CCP: Please tell me you just had an incompetent moment and you'll fix everything!

Vihura
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:44:00 - [140]
 

Game take much longer to start, undock etc I have very fast SSD and before patch it was almost instant now its take abaut 5-10 more time.

Mina Alexandria
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:50:00 - [141]
 

I've experienced two things.

1: When you are inside the map and rightclick a bookmark, there are two "remove bookmark" selections.

2: I got an escalation earlier last night, sent me 36 jumps away from my current position. (can't be right).

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.07 09:52:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Magnus Witchspace
I might be a newbie to Eve, but I'm not a newbie to the principles of programming and life in general. I'm smiling as I write this, but I think this is the worst software release I have ever had the misfortune of being the victim of. There's so many introduced bugs that I fear the worst: No established software company fails to do the rudimentary testing that would have detected the bugs users have listed so far... So these can't be bugs... they must be intended 'features'!

Nooooooooo!!!!!! CCP: Please tell me you just had an incompetent moment and you'll fix everything!


Given the size and complexity of Eve its bound to have a few bugs and to be honest most players accept that there will never be a 'perfect' patch. I think CCP said it, there is so much interconnectivity within Eve its physically impossible to test EVERY combination to check for every bug, they look at the most heavily used features and those that could cause a significant problem to things like the market. POSes, unfortunately, probably rank somewhere around the bottom of the barrel for checking given that they havent received love in erm..... well I've been playing 5 years and still havent seen any significant POS love.

That being said this one does seam to have more 'generically visable' bugs in it but its far from the the worst. The Boot.ini patch and Dominion rank as probably some of the worst.

DAM1987
Posted - 2011.04.07 10:00:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Rainus Max
Originally by: Magnus Witchspace
I might be a newbie to Eve, but I'm not a newbie to the principles of programming and life in general. I'm smiling as I write this, but I think this is the worst software release I have ever had the misfortune of being the victim of. There's so many introduced bugs that I fear the worst: No established software company fails to do the rudimentary testing that would have detected the bugs users have listed so far... So these can't be bugs... they must be intended 'features'!

Nooooooooo!!!!!! CCP: Please tell me you just had an incompetent moment and you'll fix everything!


Given the size and complexity of Eve its bound to have a few bugs and to be honest most players accept that there will never be a 'perfect' patch. I think CCP said it, there is so much interconnectivity within Eve its physically impossible to test EVERY combination to check for every bug, they look at the most heavily used features and those that could cause a significant problem to things like the market. POSes, unfortunately, probably rank somewhere around the bottom of the barrel for checking given that they havent received love in erm..... well I've been playing 5 years and still havent seen any significant POS love.

That being said this one does seam to have more 'generically visable' bugs in it but its far from the the worst. The Boot.ini patch and Dominion rank as probably some of the worst.


i agree but they wont listin and alot of guys know it and bugs like ur mod still cycling after u jump is there and u do notice it rather fast. the fact they rolling it out over like 3 months coz x-ppl are dead is tarded coz ur gonna have this every patch day .. maby 1 huge update out at once n down half the day. insted of x amount of hours every couple of months. like old times would be better all out in 1 day

vagy
Posted - 2011.04.07 10:42:00 - [144]
 

Well the tatoos look quite natural but the designs suck for the most part at least gallente and minmatar ones. Theres only one or two from each that are worth puting on.

LaneyLee
Gallente
Synthetic Vision Systems
Deadly Unknown
Posted - 2011.04.07 10:51:00 - [145]
 

OK mining laser thing annoyed me, but the thing that really ****ed me off would be apparently i can only have 1 ice harvester on my mack going, trying to turn the other one on doesn't work, says Ice Harvester I is already active, clearly it isn't, worked first load, docked emptied hold and then had this prob, docking didn't fix neither did reboot, harvesting ice with one mod is fekkin pointless!!

mei shelo
Posted - 2011.04.07 10:58:00 - [146]
 

Seriously 15kb/sec download for a patch. I've checked it's not on my end. Can we maybe get a little bandwidth for the patch. I understand there will be bugs in every patch and they'll get them fixed, or at least playable asap, but that doesn't do any good if you have to wait 12 hours to even try see if the patch works.

Buzbee McClure
Posted - 2011.04.07 11:07:00 - [147]
 

Here's the bee in my bonnet......Why oh why are CCP out to screw everyone over in null sec? Some of us made a lot of isk in sanctums and now the area in null that my mains are situated no longer have access to havens and sanctums ccp have right royally messed things up big time has anyone else noticed the major disaster they have inflicted on us?

Me Gusta
Posted - 2011.04.07 11:07:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: mei shelo
Seriously 15kb/sec download for a patch. I've checked it's not on my end. Can we maybe get a little bandwidth for the patch. I understand there will be bugs in every patch and they'll get them fixed, or at least playable asap, but that doesn't do any good if you have to wait 12 hours to even try see if the patch works.


Funny, I can download anything from CCP's servers at my connections max speed (2.1mb/s).

E'lisha
Posted - 2011.04.07 11:10:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: E''lisha on 07/04/2011 11:10:42
Remote Invention/Copy Install still broken.
Reported month ago but nothing happened.

Sorry, but this
Quote:
The current work around is to setup the job like normal then select change blueprint and then select the blueprint again and it will install the job correctly.

is not an acceptable solution. Please fix it!


Chou Saru
Caldari
Beyond Control.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.04.07 11:12:00 - [150]
 

The people that are complaining about the patch download time, the problem must be your end, me and a 3 people i know got 800+ kbs, downloaded and installed in under 30 minutes.
As with the rest of the patch I've not had time to play much but i do have 2 complaints.

1) The saved Fittings, i had 238 fittings, a fit for every ship i fly and for every sittuation, you expect me to live with just 50? that covers 2-3 ships for me :S
2) Another extended DT the next day to patch the patch from the previous day, can we expect one Friday as well?

Other then that, Eve is still amazing :D


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