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CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:27:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 06/04/2011 18:41:05
Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 06/04/2011 18:28:23
I posted this elsewhere, but felt it needed its own special attention! especially after the patch.

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 7.2 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 500 billion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal

are you fecking kidding me! this crap ^^ makes me soooo angry! and CCP nerf anoms to help balance it out...what a joke

FOR DOING NOTHING BUT MAINTAIN A POS! Arghhhhh!

Abon
Caldari
Pandorum Research Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:29:00 - [2]
 

Why moon goo is not dynamic is still beyond me.. ugh

Onkadis
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:30:00 - [3]
 

They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.



Seriously I love comments like this. yeah I just go build one up now shall i, with the billions i have to make supers.

huge alliances/coalitions have tried to do it already - the mighty PL couldnt keep the moons in Venal with all their ISK and Supers - STOP TALKING UTTER CRAP

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:33:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal

I don't think math works the way you think math works.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:35:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.



How are you supposed to invade when they have that kind of wealth?

Woud you not need an even larger, richer, more powerful coalition than NC to invade their space? Is that what CCP wants? An even larger, richer and more powerful coalition able to bring even more ships to a single fight to replace the current "too large, rich and able to bring too many ships to a fight" super coalitions?

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal

I don't think math works the way you think math works.


please enlighten? 5040 billion (thats conservative estimate) (even if a trillion isnt a 1000 billion :))

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:36:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 06/04/2011 18:36:47
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal


Try 7.2bil knucklehead

also, YOUR FACE makes me angry and you don't see me asking CCP to fix that

Crayathan
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:37:00 - [9]
 

That math was lame

Jeresy Profile
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:39:00 - [10]
 

This can not be correct. Are you mis placing a decimal point somewhere?

IF this is true I can see why losing 10 titans in 1 fight doesn't mean anything.
IF this is true this game is FUBAR.
IF this is true removing sanctums and leaving this standing is a slap in the face to every lowbee alliance that put in billions for space that is now useless...

SMH... I honestly hope this is not true...

Implying Implications
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:39:00 - [11]
 

America invades the Middle East for their oil. Why don't you invade Venal for the Technetium?

Skooter Trooper
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:40:00 - [12]
 

Tech moons a year and a half ago were not nearly as profitable as today, I had 4 of them up north. At the time was making around 8b a month. Left the game though, came back to lots of none reacted tech mats still remaining and pretty much did a huge happy dance =)

Would I moon mine again? I would but alliances just want all the tech moons for ship replacement programs and well the select few who get to make the trills ;)

But yes I remember all those tech moons dumbasses back in the day used to shrug off, I liked making my nano transistors.... lol

Ordais
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:40:00 - [13]
 

fail math on forums is funny Laughing

but yea, 500bill is still good money, i would take it

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:42:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 06/04/2011 18:36:47
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal


Try 7.2bil knucklehead

also, YOUR FACE makes me angry and you don't see me asking CCP to fix that


**** dude calm down - NC alt is obvious NC Alt - corrected.!

Jeresy Profile
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:42:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 06/04/2011 18:36:47
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal


Try 7.2bil knucklehead

also, YOUR FACE makes me angry and you don't see me asking CCP to fix that



Oh ok so it's only 504 billion per month off venal alone? yep now that makes it all better!Rolling Eyes

Onkadis
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:42:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.



Seriously I love comments like this. yeah I just go build one up now shall i, with the billions i have to make supers.

huge alliances/coalitions have tried to do it already - the mighty PL couldnt keep the moons in Venal with all their ISK and Supers - STOP TALKING UTTER CRAP


This is the game you're playing snowflake. If you don't like, find another game. Tech moons got hyper valued the way they did intentionally by CCP with the expectation that it would create the incentive for 0.0 alliances to invade the NC. The could have made the other R64 moon goo more valuable instead of tech when they made the changes, but they didn't. They chose Technitium for a reason.

Did that incentivization work? Did it get people to invade the alliances with huge numbers of tech moons? No.

But the devs are dedicated to creating ways of destabilizing 0.0 and letting the 0.0 alliances sort it out.

Making you ****ed off is their intention. Is their expectation that people are going to invade that space reasonable? I don't think so. But try explaining that to them. Your forum math isn't going to fix the situation unless you also come up with a way of explaining how to make 0.0 space more dynamic.

Jeresy Profile
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:45:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Skooter Trooper
Tech moons a year and a half ago were not nearly as profitable as today, I had 4 of them up north. At the time was making around 8b a month. Left the game though, came back to lots of none reacted tech mats still remaining and pretty much did a huge happy dance =)

Would I moon mine again? I would but alliances just want all the tech moons for ship replacement programs and well the select few who get to make the trills ;)

But yes I remember all those tech moons dumbasses back in the day used to shrug off, I liked making my nano transistors.... lol


I so envy you, I had 10s of thousands of that stuff years back and used it all up. I would be a trillion isker if I had kept just half of it. Neutral

Stinko McCoy
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:46:00 - [18]
 

Just the little guys getting crapped on. Characters belonging to CCP for their personal play are in all the big super alliances and won't make changes that could effect their limited play times and isk generating capabilities.

I can totally see how this will cause these smaller alliances to all band together and over take the massive alliances in place currently... yeah... /sarcasm off

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:47:00 - [19]
 

+1 agree with OP

Why are moon mining mechanics different than farmville (aka PI) - makes no sense

Kronos Hopeslayer
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:49:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief

FOR DOING NOTHING BUT MAINTAIN A POS! Arghhhhh!


Ya they do "nothing"....
These guys too....
These guys too....
These guys just forum spam
Bunch of carebears

Round the clock ops to defend our space for the last 3+ years is really doing NOTHING.

Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:49:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.



Seriously I love comments like this. yeah I just go build one up now shall i, with the billions i have to make supers.

huge alliances/coalitions have tried to do it already - the mighty PL couldnt keep the moons in Venal with all their ISK and Supers - STOP TALKING UTTER CRAP


Right, because the current coalitions woke up one day to find everything just as they wanted it. No diplomacy, no effort, and all the systems they desired. The NAP list was forged in their sleep and the tech POS's onlined themselves.

In the threads about the anomaly nerfs, people say "HTFU and fight over it." They laugh at all the "nullbears" losing sanctums, but turn around and want moons nerfed. Ha!

The same applies to the moons. HTFU and fight over it. It's no secret where they are. If you want them, stop whining and come and take them. Get over yourselves, get some friends together and bring the fight.


Lots of players have worked to build what is out here. Work to come take it, if you want it so badly.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 06/04/2011 18:36:47
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal


Try 7.2bil knucklehead

also, YOUR FACE makes me angry and you don't see me asking CCP to fix that


**** dude calm down - NC alt is obvious NC Alt - corrected.!

hah, if anyone needs to calm down it's you chuckles.

Oh yeh, I'm totally an NC alt, in fact I'm such an awesome alt that I've managed to PvP for 5 years without ever getting any NC pilots on a killmail with me LaughingRolling EyesLaughing



And 504bil/month is entirely reasonable for the combined income of an entire region of tech moons considering it's alliance income not personal.

A talented player with a chunk of time on his hands can make 100bil/month with no moon goo whatsoever.

KingKenny
Minmatar
Warp Core Tech
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:50:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Stinko McCoy
Just the little guys getting crapped on. Characters belonging to CCP for their personal play are in all the big super alliances and won't make changes that could effect their limited play times and isk generating capabilities.

I can totally see how this will cause these smaller alliances to all band together and over take the massive alliances in place currently... yeah... /sarcasm off


Its always been that way. Little guys always get crapped on, Eve and real world. Maybe you should ask the CSM to look at your concerns. Oh wait, the alliances won that as well. Guess we are fresh out of luck.


CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:50:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Merrik Talorra
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.



Seriously I love comments like this. yeah I just go build one up now shall i, with the billions i have to make supers.

huge alliances/coalitions have tried to do it already - the mighty PL couldnt keep the moons in Venal with all their ISK and Supers - STOP TALKING UTTER CRAP


Right, because the current coalitions woke up one day to find everything just as they wanted it. No diplomacy, no effort, and all the systems they desired. The NAP list was forged in their sleep and the tech POS's onlined themselves.

In the threads about the anomaly nerfs, people say "HTFU and fight over it." They laugh at all the "nullbears" losing sanctums, but turn around and want moons nerfed. Ha!

The same applies to the moons. HTFU and fight over it. It's no secret where they are. If you want them, stop whining and come and take them. Get over yourselves, get some friends together and bring the fight.


Lots of players have worked to build what is out here. Work to come take it, if you want it so badly.


Says the NC pet - who worked for nothingRolling Eyes

CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:53:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 06/04/2011 18:36:47
Originally by: CommmanderInChief

lets do the maths

2400 units per day * 30 days per month (avg) = 72000

72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! ( its actually more, im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!!

so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal


Try 7.2bil knucklehead

also, YOUR FACE makes me angry and you don't see me asking CCP to fix that


**** dude calm down - NC alt is obvious NC Alt - corrected.!

hah, if anyone needs to calm down it's you chuckles.

Oh yeh, I'm totally an NC alt, in fact I'm such an awesome alt that I've managed to PvP for 5 years without ever getting any NC pilots on a killmail with me LaughingRolling EyesLaughing



And 504bil/month is entirely reasonable for the combined income of an entire region of tech moons considering it's alliance income not personal.

A talented player with a chunk of time on his hands can make 100bil/month with no moon goo whatsoever.


You really dont have a clue what i am talking about do u? ugh

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief
You really dont have a clue what i am talking about do u? ugh


Of course I do, I'm an uber rich tech mining NC alt remember? LaughingLaughingLaughing

--

Srsly though, 0/10 troll thread. Try harder next time sunshine

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:03:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Onkadis
They're supposed. So get angry enough to make an alliance, get that alliance into an alliance block and go invade the Northern Coalition.

CCP kinda figured that tech moons weren't doing enough to get people to do that, so they're trying something else to destabilize 0.0 space by destabilizing the coalition blocks.

When that doesn't work they'll try something else.

In the meantime, continue to get ****ed about tech moons and start planning your invasion.




To invade the NC one would need the same income as them otherwise they wont have the gear to kill of the NC...

furthermore correct me if i am wrong but the NC was there before Dominion... So how is nerfing annoms going to change anything?

IMO both true sec and moons should be Dynamic!

Col Callahan
Caldari
Boogie Monsters
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:04:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Abon
Why moon goo is not dynamic is still beyond me.. ugh


I agree with this post. Dynamic T2 Minerals should have been implemented long ago. I feel that providing a dynamic source next to the the already static one would keep the moons that are there worth something, but also make it possible for the market and players to stabilize the market in items that are of high demand. Sand box people.

So yes, I to am mad, well not really. I've lost all hope for this games development a long time ago, so I don't really get my hopes up any more.

Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:08:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Says the NC pet - who worked for nothingRolling Eyes


lol. That the best you've got?

Comrade Commizzar
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:08:00 - [30]
 

I must laugh out loud at the Proletariat protests about the clear imbalance of resources in this game. I have been preaching this fact to the masses in Eve since 2008 when I arrived on the scene, but... alas.. the peasants would rather wallow in misery as mining slaves selling their ores in competition with each other at the lowest possible price... or at best serving as rent paying Serfs in the Moon Goo Elite's farms in zero space.

Maybe some day they will wake up... unite.. throw off their chains and BITE THE HAND that denies them their fair share. Sadly, I think this unlikely.

Ah, the joys of RP Cool


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