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Memorya
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:25:00 - [1171]
 

Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Memorya
Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Cool. You'll be gone then and that can only improve things Neutral


Like i ****ing care about EVE rofl or your ****y replay.

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:31:00 - [1172]
 

Edited by: Sadayiel on 15/06/2011 13:32:19
Originally by: Memorya
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Memorya
Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Cool. You'll be gone then and that can only improve things Neutral


Like i ****ing care about EVE rofl or your ****y replay.


Your lack of common sense and you sheer amount of stupidity both amuses and makes me sad.

If CCP bans all RMT and botters, cheap guys who want to feel rich should need to buy PLEX = more money to CCP
If you don't care about EVE, and you think Othran it's roleplaying (Othran you should just wrote, so when you leave can i have your stuff), then why do even bother to waste your time on EVE and this forum unless you are a butthurt banned bot?

P.S: waiting for the rage spam

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.15 13:50:00 - [1173]
 

Originally by: Memorya
Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Please, disengage the stupid. The botters are using the isk they make to pay for Plex, therefore not contributing to CCP coffers regardless of whether or not they exist.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:07:00 - [1174]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: sertyj
Please continue the discussion in this forum thread

Quiet you!!!

Hey Ninja (and crew), anything on the bot forums about what happened today?


Yup, plenty of people sad and wanting to get their bots running. lol

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:51:00 - [1175]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Memorya
Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Please, disengage the stupid. The botters are using the isk they make to pay for Plex, therefore not contributing to CCP coffers regardless of whether or not they exist.


Actually if they paid with PLEX, CCP would still get money. But many pay with stolen credit card numbers, costing CCP both lost revenue and all the work needed when the real CC owner wants their money back.

Eve is better off bot free. We know it, CCP knows it.

Phigmeta
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:59:00 - [1176]
 

Edited by: Phigmeta on 16/06/2011 00:00:29
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 13/04/2011 02:34:00
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Dear CCP

Thank You. Show them no mercy. The game is better off, and more long term viable, WITHOUT botters.

If the cost of trit goes to 20 isk a unit, so be it. It means it goes to 20 isk a unit for everybody. I can live with that a lot easier than I can live with the existance of botting.

Good start on the mining bots, just make sure you get the other ones too, and then do your best to keep your anti-bot wear up to date.

Have you concidered contacting other game companies and making this a joint effort? Just a thought.



I've been in contact with some people at other companies. Most of them tend to play their cards very close to their chests but I'm trying to get some really good cross industry communication going on. It may mean that we have to have some more success and get people's attention first.

:edit: Also, you're welcome. :)


Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters. Problem is see ... your banning the be-jesus out of miners and yet off in dronespace the rat bots are alive and well.

But again .... maybe its all just so you folks can sell more ETC. Sadly though this too will fail and maybe then after a few of you find yourselves looking for a job, Eve will finally be a game worth playing.....

You guys want to know what effect the anti-botting effort has had on your day to day gameplay .....

Check the price of PLEX .... well done CCP well done.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:31:00 - [1177]
 

Originally by: Phigmeta
Edited by: Phigmeta on 16/06/2011 00:00:29
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 13/04/2011 02:34:00
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Dear CCP

Thank You. Show them no mercy. The game is better off, and more long term viable, WITHOUT botters.

If the cost of trit goes to 20 isk a unit, so be it. It means it goes to 20 isk a unit for everybody. I can live with that a lot easier than I can live with the existance of botting.

Good start on the mining bots, just make sure you get the other ones too, and then do your best to keep your anti-bot wear up to date.

Have you concidered contacting other game companies and making this a joint effort? Just a thought.



I've been in contact with some people at other companies. Most of them tend to play their cards very close to their chests but I'm trying to get some really good cross industry communication going on. It may mean that we have to have some more success and get people's attention first.

:edit: Also, you're welcome. :)


Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters. Problem is see ... your banning the be-jesus out of miners and yet off in dronespace the rat bots are alive and well.

But again .... maybe its all just so you folks can sell more ETC. Sadly though this too will fail and maybe then after a few of you find yourselves looking for a job, Eve will finally be a game worth playing.....

You guys want to know what effect the anti-botting effort has had on your day to day gameplay .....

Check the price of PLEX .... well done CCP well done.


Not even close to a clue, are you...

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:37:00 - [1178]
 

Edited by: Zelda Wei on 16/06/2011 00:38:31
Originally by: Memorya

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Tasty bot tears, are tasty.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:06:00 - [1179]
 

Originally by: Memorya
Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17

"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.


Botters dont make CCP any money. They run their bot accounts on PLEX, which real players would cheerfully buy instead.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 10:14:00 - [1180]
 

Originally by: Phigmeta

Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters. Problem is see ... your banning the be-jesus out of miners and yet off in dronespace the rat bots are alive and well.

But again .... maybe its all just so you folks can sell more ETC. Sadly though this too will fail and maybe then after a few of you find yourselves looking for a job, Eve will finally be a game worth playing.....

You guys want to know what effect the anti-botting effort has had on your day to day gameplay .....

Check the price of PLEX .... well done CCP well done.


Botting and RMT supporter detected!

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:55:00 - [1181]
 

Originally by: Phigmeta
Edited by: Phigmeta on 16/06/2011 00:00:29
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 13/04/2011 02:34:00
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Dear CCP

Thank You. Show them no mercy. The game is better off, and more long term viable, WITHOUT botters.

If the cost of trit goes to 20 isk a unit, so be it. It means it goes to 20 isk a unit for everybody. I can live with that a lot easier than I can live with the existance of botting.

Good start on the mining bots, just make sure you get the other ones too, and then do your best to keep your anti-bot wear up to date.

Have you concidered contacting other game companies and making this a joint effort? Just a thought.



I've been in contact with some people at other companies. Most of them tend to play their cards very close to their chests but I'm trying to get some really good cross industry communication going on. It may mean that we have to have some more success and get people's attention first.

:edit: Also, you're welcome. :)


Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters. Problem is see ... your banning the be-jesus out of miners and yet off in dronespace the rat bots are alive and well.

But again .... maybe its all just so you folks can sell more ETC. Sadly though this too will fail and maybe then after a few of you find yourselves looking for a job, Eve will finally be a game worth playing.....

You guys want to know what effect the anti-botting effort has had on your day to day gameplay .....

Check the price of PLEX .... well done CCP well done.


Cool story bro

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:34:00 - [1182]
 

Originally by: Phigmeta
Edited by: Phigmeta on 16/06/2011 00:00:29
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 13/04/2011 02:34:00
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Dear CCP

Thank You. Show them no mercy. The game is better off, and more long term viable, WITHOUT botters.

If the cost of trit goes to 20 isk a unit, so be it. It means it goes to 20 isk a unit for everybody. I can live with that a lot easier than I can live with the existance of botting.

Good start on the mining bots, just make sure you get the other ones too, and then do your best to keep your anti-bot wear up to date.

Have you concidered contacting other game companies and making this a joint effort? Just a thought.



I've been in contact with some people at other companies. Most of them tend to play their cards very close to their chests but I'm trying to get some really good cross industry communication going on. It may mean that we have to have some more success and get people's attention first.

:edit: Also, you're welcome. :)


Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters. Problem is see ... your banning the be-jesus out of miners and yet off in dronespace the rat bots are alive and well.

But again .... maybe its all just so you folks can sell more ETC. Sadly though this too will fail and maybe then after a few of you find yourselves looking for a job, Eve will finally be a game worth playing.....

You guys want to know what effect the anti-botting effort has had on your day to day gameplay .....

Check the price of PLEX .... well done CCP well done.

PLEX prices are that high because people will buy them at that price. If people stop buying them at that price, they will drop.

However there are other effects. The price of trit has gone up almost 1 isk since the massive bot ban began. Other mins very between .5 isk increase and 13 isk.
And ice/ice products is way up. I'm actually doing ice mining for my corp now to fuel our POS.

And these are all good. Things need to get more expensive for the economy to become more stable.



Also, EVE without bots means the Tech moon alliances have to spend their moon money on ships to defend their isk source, as their bots who rat all day would be gone (Note: alliances may or may not support botting in their space, I don't know personally).
This means more risk in holding null sov, which is good.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.16 22:46:00 - [1183]
 

Quote:
Eve without botters will only make the tech moon superblocks even stronger. I for one welcome this ill conceived idea to hunt down botters.


You can't balance the game based on a massive breach of the EULA. Botters need to be stopped..and this may be an never ending fight, but that doesn't meen we should not fight it.


Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.17 19:31:00 - [1184]
 

Just a little bump and a friendly Friday send-off...

Enjoy!

Paul Morphinus
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:23:00 - [1185]
 

Did I miss Sreegs's blog on how much progress they are making on this issue or it still a soonTM thing?

Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2011.06.19 05:34:00 - [1186]
 

i too have seen the minerals prices go up slightly and welcome this change.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:49:00 - [1187]
 

I was ice mining in Angymonne and saw some odd stuff. First a group of 3 macks and an Ishtar warped in. Seconds later they all warped out (all going in the same direction, so not a DC). A minute later they came back, and again warped out. This cycle repeated maybe 10 times, then they did not return.

Looking around the belt I noticed many groups that were 2 Macks ( sometimes 3 Macks)and an Orca. Almost all miners in the belt were part of such a group. By itself meaningless, its how I was mining too. But 90% of the miners doing exactly the same thing?

I had a PvE Cat stashed in the Orca. I pulled it out and flew over to the other groups, picking up lost drones along the way to look innocent. As soon as I got within 10 km of any group it warped out (fleet warp) and did not return. No comments in local.

Next day I took out the Cat and flew up to these groups. This time none warped out. Figuring I was not scary enough, next day I returned with a Brutix. They were all gone.

Speculations: These were bot groups. The 4 that were warping back and forth were warping out because the bot was set to warp out if a combat ship was close. Unfortunately the bot user forgot to move one pilot from an Ishtar to an Orca, causing the bot to go into the warp in-warp out loop. The other bots were similarly set, allowing me to scare them off.

Next day the bot user, seeing his mistake, un-set the warp out on danger flag.

Day after that they either moved or CCP Sreegs banned them (I was remiss in not getting names).

I did check one system over (also an ice belt) to see if they moved there. All looked like normal mining, none of these odd groups. I did see a fleet of several Macks all orbiting an Orca. I flew over, killed some rats and then commented in local that it looked cool. The Orca pilot replied in local. Also said the previous day someone got ganked and their pod continued to "mine".

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.20 20:21:00 - [1188]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
ooking around the belt I noticed many groups that were 2 Macks ( sometimes 3 Macks)and an Orca. Almost all miners in the belt were part of such a group. By itself meaningless, its how I was mining too. But 90% of the miners doing exactly the same thing?


Why do you think that you are the only person to ever think of having a group of exhumers feeding an Orca?

Quote:
As soon as I got within 10 km of any group it warped out (fleet warp) and did not return. No comments in local.


Why would there be any comments in local? I won't warp out for just one destroyer, but I will warp out if more than one is on grid. I certainly won't waste time chatting in local.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.06.20 21:02:00 - [1189]
 

I see many orca+miner fleets, but never seen virtually everyone in a belt grouped up that way. Normally the groups are in the minority with solo miners in all different ship types scattered about. It was odd, but is certainly not proof of botting.

The warping off due to one cat being flown by someone who was just ice mining that is looting lost drones is also odd. Either paranoid players or bots. As this is Eve, there are alot of paranoid players, so no proof there.

Talking in local is a strong indication that you are a real person, not a bot. Not talking is proof of nothing, leaving the possibility of them being bots or people. Ive saved myself from a few ganks by talking in local.

So, hints but no proof, not enough hints for me to consider a bot gank, or even push a "report bot" button if and when we get it. In many cases we got to go on "a preponderance of circumstantial evidence". I got some, but not a preponderance. Except for that group that was warping back and forth. That sure looked like a bugged bot. And it was the same sort of group as the others. It was all very odd and suspicious. Worth watching.

CCP has said this too: Alot of players play like bots. Its why CCP is not instantly killing all bots. Its hard.

Today I went looking for groups while flying the Brutix. Found one that warped off.

Scott DTA
Gallente
Crystal Ship
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:58:00 - [1190]
 

bump cause it was on page 61

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:37:00 - [1191]
 

Originally by: Scott DTA
bump cause it was on page 61


61 pages in 3 daysShocked
you can tell that the mods disappeared for a while...

Any word on how the bots are coping with the new stuff?

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:39:00 - [1192]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Scott DTA
bump cause it was on page 61


61 pages in 3 daysShocked
you can tell that the mods disappeared for a while...

Any word on how the bots are coping with the new stuff?


They do just fine. They stayed out the first day but now a good 30% of them are back.

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:14:00 - [1193]
 

Already on page god knows what, had to search for the thread Shocked

Not that many people still care, but weren't we promised a DEV blog?

It's probably not coming anymore, but can we get at least a explanation WHY NOT?


Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:29:00 - [1194]
 

Bump cause apparently people dont care when illegal 3rd parties sell **** for rmt...but if ccp does... Oh lord.

Blue Weather
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:55:00 - [1195]
 

Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Bump cause apparently people dont care when illegal 3rd parties sell **** for rmt...but if ccp does... Oh lord.


Well said.

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:12:00 - [1196]
 

Now things have calmed down.

Bump

For a thread to important to be lost.

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:11:00 - [1197]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Scott DTA
bump cause it was on page 61


61 pages in 3 daysShocked
you can tell that the mods disappeared for a while...

Any word on how the bots are coping with the new stuff?


loooots of post have been made due to gold-ammo gate :P

death to all bots :D

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:17:00 - [1198]
 

Originally by: coolzero
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
Originally by: Scott DTA
bump cause it was on page 61

61 pages in 3 daysShocked
you can tell that the mods disappeared for a while...

Any word on how the bots are coping with the new stuff?


loooots of post have been made due to gold-ammo gate :P

death to all bots :D
I posted that on 23rd, before things really hit the fan. Heaven knows how far back Clixor et al had to go to retrieve it.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:23:00 - [1199]
 


Probably went to google and searched for the topic. ^^
At least, that's what i would do, instead of searching through 100s of pages.


Anyway ... *thread-appreciation-bump* :)

Fellblade
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:55:00 - [1200]
 

It would be good to get the anti-bot blog from Sreegs, finally...


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