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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.30 20:52:00 - [601]
 

Originally by: Xylengra
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
You seem eager for them to let the issue the issue ride....


To assert this, you must both have failed to read (and/or comprehend) my posts, and desire to deflect attention from yourself.


Heck, you seem positively eager to have CCP and Players do only the PROVEN least effective thing they can do: rely on players to shoot Bots.

That is not enough.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.30 23:06:00 - [602]
 

To avoid the topic straying any further, I like to put in my latest report.

For the past week, I have been scouting though almost 1/3 of the systems in The Forge and have so far compiled a very long list of people to keep an eye on. How long? Well, for every belt that I go into that has at least a small fleet of Hulks and Mackinaws, I create a single note (using the in-game notepad) for that particular belt in a particular system (along with a time stamp) so that I can try to keep track of patterns. I also link their names along with the ships that miners use along with whether or not their ships are active or whether they are in starter corps or other patterns (while constantly updating them). So far, I have as many as many as 15-18 unique belts being tracked. That's a lot of people to keep an eye on. I then go through the process of elimination to see which ones are legit and which ones are the possible bots. Those will then be reported to CCP.

I'm also planning on expanding my search to try to cover at least 3/4 of The Forge. For those of you who are interested in helping out, send me an evemail and we could provide each other with lists of systems/belts to help keep eyes on. The more eyes we got going, the better the likelihood of catching a botter.

Whoooaaa
Posted - 2011.05.01 01:25:00 - [603]
 

Edited by: Whoooaaa on 01/05/2011 01:25:49
It is nice to see that so many are concerned with this issue. I too share the cynicism in regards to how much CCP is doing to combat this problem, but I hope we can take a little leap of fate towards CCP in hopes that they will listen to the community.

@Henry
I'll do the same thing in Khanid, although in the long run, I really don't desire to occupy my gaming time with scouting for bots.
Easiest way to report them is trough http://www.reportbots.com/index.cfm, until CCP implements the reporting option at the character info screen.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.01 11:17:00 - [604]
 

Originally by: Admiral Acronym
Originally by: Xylengra


I can think of two reasons why CCP would decline naming and shaming. One of those would be that they don't want the world to know just how bad the problem is. The other would be that they don't want the world to know how unable they are to get on top of it. Obviously, there might be more reasons, but I don't think that legal ramifications are really justifiable.



the reason CCP will not "name and shame" is simple. CCP wants to stop players from botting, not drive them from the game.

if a player is temp-banned for botting and CCP discloses the player's name, that character will forevermore be griefed by everyone he comes across. even if he decides to straighten up and play legit. if the character is transfered, the new owner will recieve the griefing. this will be enough to drive some players to other games, and cause CCP to lose the subscription fees.

this is also the same reason (i would assume) that many of the overly-harsh and extreme punishment suggestions have remained unaddressed.

some of you people (and i use that term lightly), need to start thinking about how your suggestions will effect CCP, instead of just how they will effect YOU.


another reason is the evidence threshold. To avoid any defamation issues, the bar is a lot higher than for an anonymous ban. "beyond reasonable doubt" vs "more likely than not".

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.05.01 14:16:00 - [605]
 

Jita price report.

This is an attempt to see the progress of the war on bots by monitoring the prices at Jita.

Minerals: Killing ratting bots reduce isk production and lowers the demand for minerals, but killing mining bots reduces mineral supply. So far it looks like lower demand is winning as mineral prices continue to fall.

PLEX: Bot accounts increase the demand for PLEX. The PLEX has been quite steady throughout the war, maybe dropping a tiny amount in the last week.

Ice: Bots increase the ice supply. There has been a rapid rise in ice product prices, but this seems to have leveled off. Either the bots are back, or real miners have stepped in.

The drop in mineral prices seems to indicate that miners will have to mine longer to get ships. But as ships are made from minerals, we can expect their prices to drop too. As always the time mining needed to afford a ship is about the same as the time it take to mine sufficient minerals to build that ship.

More important is how long you have to mine to buy a PLEX. That seems to be increasing.

Trader20
Posted - 2011.05.01 16:20:00 - [606]
 

Edited by: Trader20 on 01/05/2011 16:26:02

So I'm guessing you got bored of pvp or just suck at it so you people need another "cause" to play the game? So you band together to fight the "enemy" and you gain I sense of pride in cleansing the game. Wat u don't realize is how the macro'ers awill always be the winners and the time and effort you put into your cause is moot and it makes you look desperate and weak.

CCP should implement bots and call it new content for players like you Laughing


Le Sabre
Gallente
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
Posted - 2011.05.01 16:28:00 - [607]
 

Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 01/05/2011 16:26:02

So I'm guessing you got bored of pvp or just suck at it so you people need another "cause" to play the game? So you band together to fight the "enemy" and you gain I sense of pride in cleansing the game. Wat u don't realize is how the macro'ers awill always be the winners and the time and effort you put into your cause is moot and it makes you look desperate and weak.

CCP should implement bots and call it new content for players like you Laughing




Butt-hurt bot user spotted. Shocked

Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2011.05.01 17:34:00 - [608]
 

bumping this thread for it's awesomeness.

enjoying the ongoing story, keep it up

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.01 19:54:00 - [609]
 

Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 01/05/2011 16:26:02

So I'm guessing you got bored of pvp or just suck at it so you people need another "cause" to play the game? So you band together to fight the "enemy" and you gain I sense of pride in cleansing the game. Wat u don't realize is how the macro'ers awill always be the winners and the time and effort you put into your cause is moot and it makes you look desperate and weak.

CCP should implement bots and call it new content for players like you Laughing




Bot spotted.

Ruthless Erection
Posted - 2011.05.01 20:36:00 - [610]
 

You know, for someone whose developed Private Server Sources, built hacks for other games. It's CCP's fault for not fixing this. Look at World of Warcraft, I used to be a MAJOR hack developer. I've built many hacks/macros etc for other games. I refuse to build one for EVE specifically because this is the only game I actually play.

Point is, CCP needs to put more resources into fighting Bots. All I can say is, if your insanely good, then CCP's going to have a run for their money.

I believe CCP needs to do an over-haul on the entire client. So many issues with it, and other applications. I was running Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate 64bit edition, everytime I compiled a program, EVE would crash, only 2 applications running at that time. I can't even use my 3D modeling applications without EVE freaking out. I was banned awhile back for "modding" the EVE Client. I renamed the EVE Shortcut.

Oh here's the funny thing. Installing new graphics card drivers totally screws your eve install. Thanks CCP but fix your bloody application, quit blaming everything on us when your ******ed foreigners can't even write code properly.

- Ruthless

Mikhael Nanta
Posted - 2011.05.01 21:53:00 - [611]
 

Originally by: Ruthless Erection
So many issues with it, and other applications. I was running Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate 64bit edition, everytime I compiled a program, EVE would crash, only 2 applications running at that time.
I didn't experience such crashes, although, buggy Mumble used to (it got fixed after reporting) crash Visual Studio when compiling.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.01 22:21:00 - [612]
 

Originally by: Ruthless Erection
You know, for someone whose developed Private Server Sources, built hacks for other games. It's CCP's fault for not fixing this. Look at World of Warcraft, I used to be a MAJOR hack developer. I've built many hacks/macros etc for other games. I refuse to build one for EVE specifically because this is the only game I actually play.

Point is, CCP needs to put more resources into fighting Bots. All I can say is, if your insanely good, then CCP's going to have a run for their money.

I believe CCP needs to do an over-haul on the entire client. So many issues with it, and other applications. I was running Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate 64bit edition, everytime I compiled a program, EVE would crash, only 2 applications running at that time. I can't even use my 3D modeling applications without EVE freaking out. I was banned awhile back for "modding" the EVE Client. I renamed the EVE Shortcut.

Oh here's the funny thing. Installing new graphics card drivers totally screws your eve install. Thanks CCP but fix your bloody application, quit blaming everything on us when your ******ed foreigners can't even write code properly.

- Ruthless


1. Get a separate computer and use that as your workstation. It's never a good idea to have a game client installed in the same rig as your tools.
2. What are you doing writing hacks in the same computer as Eve Online?

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:16:00 - [613]
 

Bump

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.02 19:38:00 - [614]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/05/2011 19:38:44
Originally by: Ruthless Erection
You know, for someone whose developed Private Server Sources, built hacks for other games. It's CCP's fault for not fixing this. Look at World of Warcraft, I used to be a MAJOR hack developer. I've built many hacks/macros etc for other games. I refuse to build one for EVE specifically because this is the only game I actually play.

Point is, CCP needs to put more resources into fighting Bots. All I can say is, if your insanely good, then CCP's going to have a run for their money.

I believe CCP needs to do an over-haul on the entire client. So many issues with it, and other applications. I was running Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate 64bit edition, everytime I compiled a program, EVE would crash, only 2 applications running at that time. I can't even use my 3D modeling applications without EVE freaking out. I was banned awhile back for "modding" the EVE Client. I renamed the EVE Shortcut.Oh here's the funny thing. Installing new graphics card drivers totally screws your eve install. Thanks CCP but fix your bloody application, quit blaming everything on us when your ******ed foreigners can't even write code properly.

- Ruthless


I highlighted the parts that show this post to be pure troll bait.

You are actually instructed to rename your EVE shortcut when setting up the test server (for example). You have never been banned for doing so.

If you screwed up your EVE install when installing new graphics drivers, you are hardly competent enough to hack other games.

You'll have to try a bit harder. Laughing


Tyberious Rex
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.04 00:37:00 - [615]
 

Time to move this back to the top.

Mikk36
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.04 09:08:00 - [616]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 14/04/2011 16:25:15
Any updates?

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.04 16:23:00 - [617]
 

Originally by: Mikk36
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 14/04/2011 16:25:15
Any updates?


Sorry guys, RL work has been drilling me hard lately. I've hardly gotten a chance to play Eve...

But, I'm still here, and I got new info to report on, get ready for your update Very Happy

The once thought 'hard to stop' bot has been getting smashed by CCP. Website B users are starting to report banns. Check out this recently posted quote:

"I received my first 14 day ban a couple of days ago - been using TinyMiner on and off for a couple of years so I suppose it was inevitable. Looking through my logs,I can't see any attempt at conversation by a GM which seems odd. Could be I am the victim of multiple player reporting? I've tried petitioning but the only communication I've had from CCP is a brief email telling me that my case is closed and would I like to give feedback on the way they handled it!
.....
Guess i will behave now Sad, i don't want my accounts banned :(, was fun when it lasted, but now, they are mean Sad"

One has to ask, how many bot users are giving up their botting ways to play legit, now that the ban hammer has come down?


Website C (RR) is still down. It's possible that CCP has killed this bot. The forums they use are public and for many games, so it's difficult to see how many bot users have been effected by this ban. I can tell you you that the "Great i have been caught, warned and/or banned thread" on their website has had over 22k views. So it has gotten some attention.



A quick shot over to website A, and I learned that EP users have broken their vow of silence on their threads, and o have the tears rolled in.

"Well,
I just got banned for the second time !

I mine with 2 characters which support my PVP main character. My main PVP Character has never mined/botted.

In the past, i have paid out a lot of money to CCP in the way of multiple accounts subcriptions.
When I started botting recently, I also randomly made paid subscriptions on all of my characters just so CCP can see that I do make payments WHERE and WHEN I can.

Anyways, the first ban was on 1 mining character only - that was a 2 week ban.
I shut down for a few days then restarted both mining characters.
They mined for about 1 week, then after the patch, both my mining characters and also my PVP main character had been banned for 1 month.

I dont have to tell you that this has ****ed me off greatly !!!

The only connection between the 3 characters is that all monies are sent to my PVP main after expenses....
Also, the 2 bots are on a multiclient laptop, and PVP main is on a separate desktop - all same internet connection though.
.....
Just wondering if there will be a Eve Miner counter to what's happening?? Or are we now destined to have to sit for 16hrs per day mining manually just so that I can afford to lose 1 ship per week!!!!

I dont have that much time to play eve, or the funds to play it properly, so this mining bot was a great thing for me.
It would be a shame if I had to stop playing such a great game. I have been playing for 4 years btw.

This just ****es me off.

Sorry guys, I'm just venting .....

What do you guys think?

Cheers"

this is just one of many posts about people getting banned on EP's site.

This is also another confirmed case, that botters will get their bot account and their non bot account hit.

Looks like strike 2 is a full month ban. Let's hope they learned their lesson.

Enjoy guys, once again, thanks for reading my thread Smile

Ill be updating my front page too...and eventually ill get anchor tags to link to the appropriate pages lol


NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.04 16:57:00 - [618]
 

I'd also like to comment that the above post also proves that ccp is monitoring the known bot account for any links to other accounts.

FYI

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.04 17:20:00 - [619]
 

Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 01/05/2011 16:26:02

So I'm guessing you got bored of pvp or just suck at it so you people need another "cause" to play the game? So you band together to fight the "enemy" and you gain I sense of pride in cleansing the game. Wat u don't realize is how the macro'ers awill always be the winners and the time and effort you put into your cause is moot and it makes you look desperate and weak.

CCP should implement bots and call it new content for players like you Laughing




Players like me.... as much as I love the attention, why o why do you think it's all about me?

Your Emo-rage is being directed at the wrong person. I'm not the cause of this. I have nothing to do with this. I'm simply the one pointing out the obvious. And seeing as how I'm so good at that, allow me to point out a few things that you obviously have missed.

I am not the one controlling this. I cannot force 52,000 views and 200+ replies. I cannot force a "sense of pride in cleansing the game". I'm not in control nor am I a leader in this ring. No no no, I'm not the one doing this.

YOU my botting friend, and those like you, are the cause of this. YOU are what the players have come to see... honestly, do the people who read this give two ****s about what I write? Granted I try to be entertaining and accurate in my reports, but if I where reporting on the newest development of inner-mixing dog breeds...this thread would have been lost to the forum pages many weeks ago. The players come here to read about YOU, not me.

And look how popular you have become!

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:22:00 - [620]
 

Excellent news!

This just shows that players reporting bots and CCP cracking down on bot users more is having a significant effect on bot users. At this point, we have to crank up the effort and drive them out. They are retreating! Keep pushing, guys.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:33:00 - [621]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
"I received my first 14 day ban a couple of days ago - been using TinyMiner on and off for a couple of years so I suppose it was inevitable.

That part is kinda disturbing.

Still, it's good to see CCP DOING SOMETHING, so I can forgive that :D

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:46:00 - [622]
 

Thanks Ninja...love seeing the updates on CCP's war on the bots.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:17:00 - [623]
 

Edited by: Vincent Athena on 04/05/2011 19:17:49
Originally by: unknown_botter

.....
"Just wondering if there will be a Eve Miner counter to what's happening?? Or are we now destined to have to sit for 16hrs per day mining manually just so that I can afford to lose 1 ship per week!!!!"



16 hour s a day, 7 days, 2 hulks... that's like 2 billion isk. One wonders what this guy PvP's with, and why he thinks that expensive a ship is required to have fun.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.04 22:30:00 - [624]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Edited by: Vincent Athena on 04/05/2011 19:17:49
Originally by: unknown_botter

.....
"Just wondering if there will be a Eve Miner counter to what's happening?? Or are we now destined to have to sit for 16hrs per day mining manually just so that I can afford to lose 1 ship per week!!!!"



16 hour s a day, 7 days, 2 hulks... that's like 2 billion isk. One wonders what this guy PvP's with, and why he thinks that expensive a ship is required to have fun.



[Troll] I looked into it, he's was a Titan pilot for IT during the time NC and whats left of Goonswarm decided to move in [/troll]

LaughingLaughing

Rens Cheque
Posted - 2011.05.04 23:03:00 - [625]
 

Originally by: Ruthless Erection
You know, for someone whose developed Private Server Sources, built hacks for other games. It's CCP's fault for not fixing this. Look at World of Warcraft, I used to be a MAJOR hack developer. I've built many hacks/macros etc for other games. I refuse to build one for EVE specifically because this is the only game I actually play.

Point is, CCP needs to put more resources into fighting Bots. All I can say is, if your insanely good, then CCP's going to have a run for their money.

I believe CCP needs to do an over-haul on the entire client. So many issues with it, and other applications. I was running Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate 64bit edition, everytime I compiled a program, EVE would crash, only 2 applications running at that time. I can't even use my 3D modeling applications without EVE freaking out. I was banned awhile back for "modding" the EVE Client. I renamed the EVE Shortcut.

Oh here's the funny thing. Installing new graphics card drivers totally screws your eve install. Thanks CCP but fix your bloody application, quit blaming everything on us when your ******ed foreigners can't even write code properly.

- Ruthless
Did this post have a point of some kind? Because I cannot identify it.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.05 00:29:00 - [626]
 

I was just catching up on the last few pages of chat on this thread.

Xylengra, I thank you for your opinion, and welcome the debate from the opposing side. However, your posts are rather caustic and coarse, and I don't particularly agree with some of your comparisons (comparing the bots to the Jews during the holocaust was just ignorant on any level).

Not only that, you didn't seem to really read anything about my thread. This isn't the "report so-and-so to ccp thread", this is the "CCP is finally doing something about the botting" thread. You'd know that if you had read the parts that prove CCP isn't blowing smoke about getting something done.

You strategically (or sarcastically) used the words "weasley snitches" when addressing the people who report botters to CCP. I assume you meant "Weaselly", meaning to quickly lurk in the holes, as weasels do, and go behind the noble botters back to 'tell' on them. I wonder how you can justify this, as it's the botters who are lurking in the deep corners of eve trying to avoid being detected. A "weaselly" person cheats and lies, how do you justify calling the person playing by the rules in light of the cheaters...a cheater?

Most of your posts where sarcastic and poorly written, with no real point to them. Here's what I would like to see from you.

1) If you're from the bot community and trying to defend your botting...fine with me. Make a valid point, stop trying to **** people off just cause one of your accounts got banned. (I'm not implying that you are, you claim to hate botters so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt)

2) If you're not from the botters community, and just want to point out the opposite side for the sake of argument....fine with me. Make a valid point and stop trying to **** people off. (I think this one's you) So please make your point already.

3) If you're a troll that just wants to get recognition by attaching your crap to my thread the way a Remora fish attaches itself to the underside of a shark...GO AWAY BAD FISH

Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2011.05.05 02:06:00 - [627]
 

it is good to see CCP doing the work that they say to fight bots and that there is progression. While these "botters" will rage at me for saying how i am ruining a great game coming after them and there continued attempts at saying that mining needs to be reworked instead of them, i firmly believe that the biggest problem are the botters themselves.

I also believe though that CCP should start looking into mining, while as i said that botters are the main problem, there is a large population that would say mining is a boring task, then again i believe they are hardcore ratters like me, and if you're not killing a rat then you aren't playing eve correctly. ugh (no i do like to pvp as well Wink)

I do not think we will see a drastic effect on the mineral market and the market as a whole, but gradually it'll change, and i believe it'll change for the better.

Im Super Gay
Posted - 2011.05.05 02:37:00 - [628]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
I'd also like to comment that the above post also proves that ccp is monitoring the known bot account for any links to other accounts.

FYI

Billing is an obvious link. If that guy pays for all 3 accounts with the same credit card its as simple as handing out bans to all accounts that are on the credit card. No need to monitor in game transactions...yet.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.05 06:14:00 - [629]
 

Originally by: Im Super Gay
Originally by: NinjaSpud
I'd also like to comment that the above post also proves that ccp is monitoring the known bot account for any links to other accounts.

FYI

Billing is an obvious link. If that guy pays for all 3 accounts with the same credit card its as simple as handing out bans to all accounts that are on the credit card. No need to monitor in game transactions...yet.

Any serious botter will pay exclusively with PLEX.

Originally by: NinjaSpud
3) If you're a troll that just wants to get recognition by attaching your crap to my thread the way a Remora fish attaches itself to the underside of a shark...GO AWAY BAD FISH

That's nothing: Cymothoa exigua

By the way, do you have any information about ratting bots being banned?

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:37:00 - [630]
 

Originally by: Im Super Gay
Originally by: NinjaSpud
I'd also like to comment that the above post also proves that ccp is monitoring the known bot account for any links to other accounts.

FYI

Billing is an obvious link. If that guy pays for all 3 accounts with the same credit card its as simple as handing out bans to all accounts that are on the credit card. No need to monitor in game transactions...yet.


That. and he used the same IP for all his accounts. I just can't believe how stupid these people are to continue after their first ban. I just hope for the sake of mankind that is a minority.

I still consider this all round 1 though. The real challenge will be the guys with remote access etc.


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