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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.04.05 16:02:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: SencneS on 05/04/2011 16:04:28
What did I learn..

The "average wallet per active character" went from 300mil to 401mil, from Jan 2010 to Dec 2010. A 33% increase, either bots are back and farming up a storm, or CCP need to introduce a ISK Sink for people who sit on piles of ISK. For those that want to do the math, look up the old QEN. The numbers are not "perfect" because the details are calculated, but it's about 93 Trillion additional ISK in active characters across EVE.

Edit:- Clarification.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:28:00 - [32]
 

My approximate stats relative to the whole of EVE:

  • 4.2% of all production of 425mm Railgun I for the year 2010

  • 8.4% of all production of 800mm Repeating Artillery I for the year 2010

  • 0% of all production of Passive Targeter I for the year 2010

  • Compression of minerals for 6.9% of supercarriers produced in Q4 2010

  • Compression of minerals for 9.6% of all titans produced in Q4 2010

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Posted - 2011.04.05 20:01:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
My approximate stats relative to the whole of EVE:

  • 0% of all production of Passive Targeter I for the year 2010



That one was me I suspect.

MDD

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.04.06 09:11:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Misty McGinnity
Originally by: Atima
Originally by: Akita T
"How about, no, Scott? Okay?"
Twisted Evil



His real name is Scott? we're one step closer to you misty!


learn to meme nerd.


Leave now, and never come back.

Roelof Kremer
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:31:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: SencneS
Edited by: SencneS on 05/04/2011 16:04:28
What did I learn..

The "average wallet per active character" went from 300mil to 401mil, from Jan 2010 to Dec 2010. A 33% increase, either bots are back and farming up a storm, or CCP need to introduce a ISK Sink for people who sit on piles of ISK. For those that want to do the math, look up the old QEN. The numbers are not "perfect" because the details are calculated, but it's about 93 Trillion additional ISK in active characters across EVE.

Edit:- Clarification.


it's easy.

A hulk can mine about 100Km3 a hour. Without Orca bonus.

A full jetcan go's for about 2.5-2.7 mill ISK. For any highsec ore.
A jescan is 27500m3
2.5mill/27500m3= 91 isk for 1m3
100Km3 X 91 = 9.1 mill for a hour mining.

(9.1 mill )Correct me if i am rong.

If hulk min for like 23/7
9 mill a hour. 9mill X 23 hours = 207mill
207 mill X 30 day's = 6210 mill every 30 day's. Thats 6.2 bill every 30 day's.

If you get 10 accounts and al hulks mining. you will get 62 bill ISK every 30 day's.
62 bill ISK - 10X 370mill isk for plex = 58 bill isk every 30 day's.

Now if you have a realy good internet connection. And have 5 computer. All running 10 accounts with hulks and Orca's.
5 Computer X 10accounts(58bill) = 290bill ISK every 30 day's.

And yes this can be done. And yes some players do this. And no not me. XD


thare are about 19,046 hulks in use. If i take look at QEN_Q4-2010.pdf.

if just say. 60% of the hulks are mining 23/7 (bot's) = 11400 hulks
6.2 bill X 11400 hulks = 70680 bill ISK every month. 70680 bill ISK X 12 months = 848160Bill ISK every year income for mining bot's

100K m3 every hour. 100Km3 X 23 hours X 30 Day's = 69.000.000 m3 every 30 day's.
11400 X 69.000.000 = 786.600.000.000 (787bill)m3 ore every 30 day's.
787Billm3 or X 12 months = 9444 bill m3 ore in martket every year becose of bot's.

NO!!! realy mining bot's are not a problem. Crying or Very sadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilRolling EyesExclamation

RK

Marhaba
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:16:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: SencneS
Edited by: SencneS on 05/04/2011 16:04:28
What did I learn..

The "average wallet per active character" went from 300mil to 401mil, from Jan 2010 to Dec 2010. A 33% increase, either bots are back and farming up a storm, or CCP need to introduce a ISK Sink for people who sit on piles of ISK. For those that want to do the math, look up the old QEN. The numbers are not "perfect" because the details are calculated, but it's about 93 Trillion additional ISK in active characters across EVE.

Edit:- Clarification.


it's easy.

A hulk can mine about 100Km3 a hour. Without Orca bonus.

A full jetcan go's for about 2.5-2.7 mill ISK. For any highsec ore.
A jescan is 27500m3
2.5mill/27500m3= 91 isk for 1m3
100Km3 X 91 = 9.1 mill for a hour mining.

(9.1 mill )Correct me if i am rong.

If hulk min for like 23/7
9 mill a hour. 9mill X 23 hours = 207mill
207 mill X 30 day's = 6210 mill every 30 day's. Thats 6.2 bill every 30 day's.

If you get 10 accounts and al hulks mining. you will get 62 bill ISK every 30 day's.
62 bill ISK - 10X 370mill isk for plex = 58 bill isk every 30 day's.

Now if you have a realy good internet connection. And have 5 computer. All running 10 accounts with hulks and Orca's.
5 Computer X 10accounts(58bill) = 290bill ISK every 30 day's.

And yes this can be done. And yes some players do this. And no not me. XD


thare are about 19,046 hulks in use. If i take look at QEN_Q4-2010.pdf.

if just say. 60% of the hulks are mining 23/7 (bot's) = 11400 hulks
6.2 bill X 11400 hulks = 70680 bill ISK every month. 70680 bill ISK X 12 months = 848160Bill ISK every year income for mining bot's

100K m3 every hour. 100Km3 X 23 hours X 30 Day's = 69.000.000 m3 every 30 day's.
11400 X 69.000.000 = 786.600.000.000 (787bill)m3 ore every 30 day's.
787Billm3 or X 12 months = 9444 bill m3 ore in martket every year becose of bot's.

NO!!! realy mining bot's are not a problem. Crying or Very sadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilRolling EyesExclamation

RK


Mining bots will NOT, I repeat, NOT have an effect on the average isk per character. At all. It does not introduce isk into the game (neglecting any small rats killed by the miners' drones in the belts). All of that isk flowing into the bots' wallets from the sale of the minerals and/or ores LEAVES the wallet of another player.

To give you a simplified version, imagine you have 10 isk, and I have none. I sell you a unit of pyerite for 5 isk. Now we both have 5 isk.

In both cases, the "average isk per character in the wallet" was 5 isk. NOTHING CHANGED.

Roelof Kremer
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:43:00 - [37]
 

Most of the Isk the bot's get will never see the daylicht again.

Most ISK will be transferd to a second account. THare it will just sit,.. and stack.

Carebear. ISK. Stacking.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.04.06 15:21:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Carebear. ISK. Stacking.



You rang? ...


Diablo Loco
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:19:00 - [39]
 


Send me an Isk stacker, and I will send you 3 back...


CarnegieSteel
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:30:00 - [40]
 

Best ISK sink - make ISK an item, that you must transport to the station you are buying things atEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:51:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Most of the Isk the bot's get will never see the daylicht again.

Most ISK will be transferd to a second account. THare it will just sit,.. and stack.

Carebear. ISK. Stacking.


I still don't think you quiet grasp of this..

Mining doesn't introduce ISK into the game in any way, unless your running Mining missions from agents, in which the act of mining something gives you ISK from an NPC. Mining is not an ISK faucet which is one way the average amount of ISK available to all characters in the game can increase. The other way is if there is a population decline, which didn't happen.

Originally by: CarnegieSteel
Best ISK sink - make ISK an item, that you must transport to the station you are buying things atEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


I've thought that would work best until someone pointed out that it would stifle the economy so much that EVE would die. You'd have a massive population density increase around Jita, as Jita and surrounding areas become one massive market hub. People wouldn't take their ISK with them, they would just leave it in key locations. Courier contracts would get a massive boost though, with the lack of people having currency at their disposal and a centralized location to hold currency, people would have alts in Jita, buy what they need, then transport it out via courier.

Great ISK Sink for sure, with the small caveat of totally screw EVE's economy. Crying or Very sad

Kithran
Posted - 2011.04.06 17:06:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: SencneS
Edited by: SencneS on 05/04/2011 16:04:28
What did I learn..

The "average wallet per active character" went from 300mil to 401mil, from Jan 2010 to Dec 2010. A 33% increase, either bots are back and farming up a storm, or CCP need to introduce a ISK Sink for people who sit on piles of ISK. For those that want to do the math, look up the old QEN. The numbers are not "perfect" because the details are calculated, but it's about 93 Trillion additional ISK in active characters across EVE.

Edit:- Clarification.


I'd be interested in konwing what the increase in average wallet has been from Jan 2011 to now - from my view Incursions are a massive isk faucet. Two weekends ago I basically spent the whole weekend running a vanguard fleet in the solitude incursion with between 8 and 10 people in the fleet (call it 9 for simiplicity but it would probably be closer to 10). For those that don't know a vanguard site rewards players with 10.5 mil isk (is taxed, paid immediately) and 1400 Concord LP (paid only if the incursion is defeated by killing the MOM). These payouts are per person in the fleet on grid when the site is completed.

Two weeks ago I earned 1.2 bil (after tax, 1.26 before tax). So in total myself and the fleet I ran injected 10.8 bil (11.36 bil before tax) into the economy.
This weekend just gone there was another incursion in solitude, I was farming again and earned another 700 mil.

Two weekends, 1.9 bil injected by myself, at least 17.1 bil injected just from the people in my fleet.
If you want to take off the isk sink of concord LP I earned approx 332k Concord LP which would take 332 million isk out of the economy if spent.

Kithran

Tigris Pantherinae
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:40:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Akita T

In other news, I have nearly 0.1% of the total "active" ISK in EVE in my wallet LaughingLaughingLaughing
Why in hell you waste your time in game? If you manage to do business in game, quit gaming, do it in real life..

Caldari FTW123
Posted - 2011.04.06 19:53:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tigris Pantherinae
Originally by: Akita T

In other news, I have nearly 0.1% of the total "active" ISK in EVE in my wallet LaughingLaughingLaughing
Why in hell you waste your time in game? If you manage to do business in game, quit gaming, do it in real life..


Game business = RL business, c/d ? :) I think I'll go with "D"

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:15:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Caldari FTW123
Originally by: Tigris Pantherinae
Originally by: Akita T

In other news, I have nearly 0.1% of the total "active" ISK in EVE in my wallet LaughingLaughingLaughing
Why in hell you waste your time in game? If you manage to do business in game, quit gaming, do it in real life..

Game business = RL business, c/d ? :) I think I'll go with "D"

I'd go with D too Smile

Anyway, why waste time with anything in a game ? Because it feels fun. Also, I had a business in RL for quite a while. Too much work, not enough reward. Especially the paperwork, more precisely the non-work-related bureaucratic one. Now I do slightly less better paid work that requires a tiny fraction of the effort instead and practically zero non-work-related paperwork.

Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:45:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Atima on 06/04/2011 20:45:05
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Most of the Isk the bot's get will never see the daylicht again.

Most ISK will be transferd to a second account. THare it will just sit,.. and stack.

Carebear. ISK. Stacking.


I still don't think you quiet grasp of this..

Mining doesn't introduce ISK into the game in any way, unless your running Mining missions from agents, in which the act of mining something gives you ISK from an NPC. Mining is not an ISK faucet which is one way the average amount of ISK available to all characters in the game can increase. The other way is if there is a population decline, which didn't happen.



Your wasting your time with this guy Sencnes, check the rest of his awesome posts and threads in MD. They're almost as good as mine.

garus banta
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:35:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Claire Voyant
Wait, so Eeyore is now the "lead" economist? Does that mean they hired another one?

He was always called the "lead economist" IIRC, and he's AFAIK the only one with formal training in the subject matter.
He leads a small team of "regular" CCP employees that handles statistics gathering and other such things.


If I pick you up and start shaking you will money just pour out?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:56:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: garus banta
If I pick you up and start shaking you will money just pour out?

Lard, maybe. Money, almost certainly not.

Roelof Kremer
Posted - 2011.04.07 08:20:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 07/04/2011 08:21:04
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Most of the Isk the bot's get will never see the daylicht again.

Most ISK will be transferd to a second account. THare it will just sit,.. and stack.

Carebear. ISK. Stacking.


I still don't think you quiet grasp of this..

Mining doesn't introduce ISK into the game in any way, unless your running Mining missions from agents, in which the act of mining something gives you ISK from an NPC. Mining is not an ISK faucet which is one way the average amount of ISK available to all characters in the game can increase. The other way is if there is a population decline, which didn't happen.




Y. Thay don't introduce new isk in to the game. ( bounty drom npc killing )
Thay do stack ISK. And thare not a ISK sink.

The pve fighter introduce new ISK in to the game. From missions and bounty. Yes?
Most time thay buy new ships / new items / ammo or the next thing thay need. The ISK flow will go to the manufacturer of the items.
At the end the ISK will flow to the carebears of the game. That sit and stack thare ISK.

Question

RK


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