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PryMary
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
Posted - 2011.04.02 13:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: PryMary on 02/04/2011 13:48:49
Edited by: PryMary on 02/04/2011 13:47:12
Hey all,

OK first off I am going to embarrass myself and state that I don't really have a pr0 PC and would like to know or be pointed in the direction of the Minimum or Recommended system spec for EVE Online.

*EDIT* Found this: http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124 *EDIT*

But as it states there I have over the min spec but still am getting epic slowness and lag during fights / warping / gate jumping etc..

So much has changed over the last year that I think it should now be in the dual core CPU spec as minimum correct?

This is my system spec and am finding my CPU running @ 100% as soon as my client opens up:

CPU: Intel Pentium D 915 @ 2.8 GHz
Memory: 3GB DDR2 PC6400
Motherboard: Asus Leonite
Hard Drive(s): 3 x 200GB SATA @ 1.5 GB/s // 1 x Samsung 1TB @1.5 GB/s
Graphics Card: Sapphire HD 3650 512MB GDDR4
O.S: Windows 7 Ultimate X64

Is the cause of my 100% CPU usage due to the very outdated MOBO & CPU?? If so what would be the minimum to upgrade too? As I am not part of the wealthy elite IRL It would need to be on the lower end of the scale instead of say the top of the line i7 2600K

Jiitta
Posted - 2011.04.02 13:49:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jiitta on 02/04/2011 13:51:12
According to systemrequirementslab Eve needs minimum 1.5ghz processor. On the face of it your spec should run Eve fairly comfortably although I realise that this does not help you much.

If you do decide to upgrade just get the best you can afford. Any i3 or i5 would be a good investment and might drop in price with the release of second generation Intel processors.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:23:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: PryMary
This is my system spec and am finding my CPU running @ 100% as soon as my client opens up:
For a single core, this is to be pretty much expected when you launch any game.

Fleet lag etc is often serverside, if it's lagging graphically on your computer, turn settings down, disable brackets and turret effects.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:30:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 14:40:54

Originally by: PryMary
CPU: Intel Pentium D 915 @ 2.8 GHz
Graphics Card: Sapphire HD 3650 512MB GDDR4

Intel Pentium D 915 @ 2.8 GHz has a PassMark of 741, while an Intel Core i5 760 @ 2.8 GHz has a PassMark of 4581. That's a factor of over 6 right there.
The ever so slightly good news however is that I have the latter CPU in my machine, and in EVE, it seldom passes over 20% usage at maxed-out settings and 85 FPS (limited by monitor refresh rate), so BORDERLINE, even if your will sit at near-100% usage, you should be able to make it due with your CPU (I mean, you would be satisfied with 30+ FPS, I suppose).
The problem however lies with the video card.
A stock Radeon HD 3650 has a theoretical speed of 174 GFLOPs, or theoretical fillrates of 2.9/5.8 (trust me, for EVE, it's quite low).
Since it's relatively old tech (they first came out 40 months ago), none of those number even begin to tell the full story.
You can't see a directly proportional performance increase by just looking theoretical GFLOPs numbers (or any of the others either, for that matter) between different generations of ATI//AMD cards (it usually ramps up between generations), and if you try to do the same when comparing with NVIDIA cards, you're in for a big surprise (on a theoretical GFLOP vs GFLOP comparison scale, the NVIDIA cards kick the ATI//AMD cards' asses by at least 50%, sometimes even up to almost double).
In practice, relatively cheap video cards like, say, a 70$ Radeon HD 5670 should easily be at least 4 times, probably even 5 times faster.
But more importantly, the greatest problem is the fact that I AM NOT SURE whether your PC has a motherboard which supports AGP video cards, not PCI-Express ones (the video card you have looks like it's AGP), which will make finding a reasonably priced better card very difficult, and finding a really good video card regardless of price next to impossible. What the heck is a "Leonite" and what specs does it have ? Getting conflicting info.

Long story short, you may want to upgrade your entire machine.
Now... if only you would give us a budget target to make it all come together ?


For instance, a slightly gaming-oriented low-power-consumption dirt-cheap PC "from scratch" that could easily handle max-setings single-client EVE could have the following components:

No-frills case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111 = ~35$ including shipping
No-frills 380W micro ATX PSU with a PCI-E connector http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817822001 = ~33$ including shipping
HDD, Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 64MB Cache SATA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136513 = ~70$
Combo deal - Intel Pentium E5700 Wolfdale 3.0GHz Dual-Core 65W TDP plus ASUS P5G41-M Micro ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.613802 = ~118$ (save ~23$ vs individual prices)
RAM, dual-channel 4 GB (2x2 kit) CORSAIR DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145238 = ~60$
Stock no-frills brand Radeon HD 5770 1 GB (uses ~110W at peak) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131330&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-330-_-Product = ~120$ including shipping
GRAND TOTAL including taxes (USA) and shipping and all that, around 450$, give or take.

This could go even lower if you could salvage some components from your old PC.
The case+PSU you have are probably compatible (although I wouldn't bet the PSU would be compatible, still, you never know).
In fact, the only things you REALLY want are the mobo+CPU+vidcard, so only about 240$, and if you add the new PSU you're still under 300$.


Of course, you can always go with a lower-tier AMD Phenom CPU and corresponding MoBo for not that much extra cash and far better CPU performance.


Oh, and in case I am wrong about the mobo and it does support a PCI-x video card, just get a 5770 and call it a day.


PryMary
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
Posted - 2011.04.02 15:57:00 - [5]
 

Thank you for the reply's... Yes the Motherboard was apart of an old Compaq Presario SR1250UK and does have a x16 PCI-E GFX port.

So a complete PC update is needed including GFX card... Damn... Looks like I know what all of my spare cash is going to be going on for the next year Laughing

Thank you for explaining why it's running @ 100%... now then Nvidia or ATi... Oh noes not this argument again!

This is the CPU-Z Validator link for my MOBO: Linkage

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: PryMary
Thank you for the reply's... Yes the Motherboard was apart of an old Compaq Presario SR1250UK and does have a x16 PCI-E GFX port.

So a complete PC update is needed including GFX card... Damn... Looks like I know what all of my spare cash is going to be going on for the next year Laughing

Thank you for explaining why it's running @ 100%... now then Nvidia or ATi... Oh noes not this argument again!

This is the CPU-Z Validator link for my MOBO: Linkage

Considering CCP is working extremely close with nVidia, one brand will have better support than the other if all you play is EVE.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:05:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 16:06:57
Originally by: PryMary
Yes the Motherboard was apart of an old Compaq Presario SR1250UK and does have a x16 PCI-E GFX port.So a complete PC update is needed including GFX card
So a complete PC update is needed including GFX card...

Not necessarily.
Like I just said at the end, if you DO have a PCI-Express port on the motherboard, just get a better video card first, THEN decide if you really need a new machine or not, after you see how it moves.
The video card can then be reused "as is" in the new machine.
Depending on what PSU you have, may need to upgrade it to accommodate that new video card. If you pick a mid-range or lower-mid-range video card, the power draw should be manageable, so even if you need to buy a molex-to-PCIExpress power adapter, the old PSU might still cut it.

Quote:
now then Nvidia or ATi

It's really more a matter of preference nowadays. They're in strong enough competition with eachother that you really do get what you pay for, most of the time, for the newer generations anyway, if you're even the least bit careful about what you pick.
Some games work better on ATI, others on NVIDIA. It may very well come down to what games you prefer playing, or the features you like having on the video card.

EVE in particular is more NVIDIA-focused, but much less than other games out there.

slickdog
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:32:00 - [8]
 

My setup - 9GB RAM, 10K RPM HDD
processor i7 920 @ 2.67 GHZ
Video: Sapphire Ati Radeon HD 5800

here is the visual :)

http://i51.tinypic.com/32zl18z.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/32zl18z.jpg

Image changed to URL. Zymurgist

PryMary
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:44:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: PryMary on 02/04/2011 16:46:37
Originally by: slickdog
My setup - 9GB RAM, 10K RPM HDD
processor i7 920 @ 2.67 GHZ
Video: Sapphire Ati Radeon HD 5800

here is the visual :)

http://i51.tinypic.com/32zl18z.jpg



Can I have your Stuff??? RazzRazzRazz


Well the only game I play is EVE as currently this computer cannot handle FPS game types due to the fact i get something like 12 fps and end up rage quitting due to constant head shot's!! I have recently put in a new PSU (600W with dedicated PCI-E rail) & also an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Heat sink & Fan. Mainly due to the fact the CPU was hitting +60C

So for me personally I think that an Nvidia card is the way to go!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 16:47:54
Originally by: PryMary
So for me personally I think that an Nvidia card is the way to go!

460 GTX (or maybe 560 if you can afford to) would be the way to go nowadays, IMO.
This can easily change in just a few months.

P.S. Stay away from the SE version.

PryMary
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:49:00 - [11]
 

Looks like I will have a use for the 10% discount Nvidia is giving to all EVE subscribers after all :P

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:49:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 16:49:41
Originally by: PryMary
Looks like I will have a use for the 10% discount Nvidia is giving to all EVE subscribers after all :P

Nope, that's only for 460 SE versions.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:53:00 - [13]
 

I use a 6 year old single core 2.4G amd with 1 gig of ram, a single 250G hd @7200 and a semi-defunct 6800GT running XP. It has no problems running a single client so long as i turn off effects in blob fights. It sometimes struggles when dual boxing if i have effects on. Triple boxing is beyond it unless its just sitting in station.

I suspect its because i am using xp that it runs fine.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:54:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 02/04/2011 16:55:25
Minimum system requirements: A brain and a sense of humour

KWyz
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:58:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Akita T
*Awesome info*


If it's not too much bother Akita, could you point out the cheapest system which could comfortably dual box EVE? And some pricing in romanian lei would be awesome, just like you are...every day.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 17:26:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 17:27:58
Originally by: KWyz
If it's not too much bother Akita, could you point out the cheapest system which could comfortably dual box EVE? And some pricing in romanian lei would be awesome, just like you are...every day.

Depends on what you mean by "comfortably" Wink

Something like THIS as base pre-built (1079 RON without the monitor and OS) plus a decent video card, like THIS (449 RON), for instance, for a grand total of 1528 RON.
That's roughly 370 EUR (including VAT, without it it would be a bit under 300).

I would say you could stand to dual box on that one with relative ease, even if it's not the best money can buy.
The system I mentioned to the OP (if the components would be available over here) would be one of the cheapest possible.

KWyz
Posted - 2011.04.02 17:42:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: KWyz on 02/04/2011 17:50:57
Hell yeah!...not just let me find a job.

Edit: just to make it clear, will such a system be able to handle EVE on two monitors(i don't need fancy graphics settings, just to be able to properly control both my tengus)? Most of the recent video cards can handle two monitors, so I think there shouldn't be a probem, but i'm a tech tard and can't figure too many things by myself.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 18:26:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: KWyz
Will such a system be able to handle EVE on two monitors(i don't need fancy graphics settings, just to be able to properly control both my tengus)?

You should be able to get over 30 FPS on two monitors at medium-towards-high graphics settings.
Card supports 3 monitors.


 

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