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Marcus McTavish
Posted - 2011.04.01 19:44:00 - [31]
 

EA 5/5 is easy if you kill the spawns as they come
Worlds Colide is easy, both sides!
Stop the Thief is the only, i mean only, mission i ussually turn down

tengu with: Gistii - A type small shield booster, target painter, 2 hardeners, 1 amp, and an afterburner tanks all lv 4 missions

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.04.01 20:35:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Yxalitis
The hardest, (and compared to DED complexes, not hard at all), is probably World's Collide.
Why?
Because upon warp into the 2nd area, you can get room aggro very easily.
I've heard this on numerous occasions, and I just have to ask: which WC are you talking about?

I have never had that happen and I've run WC more times than I can even remember. Quite the opposite: on numerous occasions, I've landed in those second pockets and received no aggro whatsoever. But I've only ever really done the Guristas/Serpentis version — maybe it differs between which factions are involved…

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.04.01 21:13:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Yxalitis
The hardest, (and compared to DED complexes, not hard at all), is probably World's Collide.
Why?
Because upon warp into the 2nd area, you can get room aggro very easily.
I've heard this on numerous occasions, and I just have to ask: which WC are you talking about?

I have never had that happen and I've run WC more times than I can even remember. Quite the opposite: on numerous occasions, I've landed in those second pockets and received no aggro whatsoever. But I've only ever really done the Guristas/Serpentis version — maybe it differs between which factions are involved…
If you shoot the spies in any WC, the whole room aggros. If you leave them alone, on warp in the only things that should be shooting you are one of the spawns and the 2 spy frigs.

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2011.04.01 21:16:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Thenoran on 01/04/2011 21:16:30
If you don't shoot or get too close to any of the triggers, all missions should be doable in a decently fit T2 ship or Battleship.

EA 5/5 just requires you to kill stuff fast enough to avoid being swamped.
Other 'difficult' missions just require you to kill the right group of targets first, usually missile batteries or a bunch of cruisers dealing an odd damage type.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:24:00 - [35]
 

Quote:

Nope, far from it...
The hardest, (and compared to DED complexes, not hard at all), is probably World's Collide.
Why?
Because upon warp into the 2nd area, you can get room aggro very easily.
Also, you can get scrammed by 2 frigates, and webbed by as many as 6! Unless you tank is impressive, and doesn't rely on speed, you will find yourself gazing at your wreck from a pod in no time.



QFT, the WC you get in Gallente space (the others are easy) is buggy as hell. The others are quite OK and easy.

In the Gallente one I get pocket aggro on entry 1 out of 2 times and since I use a super-mega-zero tank all gank fit, things get hairy quick.

One time I burned thru 12 cap boosters and overheated the begeezus of the shield to leave in one piece.


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This Only under the condition mentioned above though I think the total DPS there is over 1000 if yo mess up royally and get full room aggro.



DPS seems to be > 1000 and you don't need to mess anything, since it often bugs on entry.


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(Personally, I'm still having a bit of trouble running The Blockade as I seem to get damped to hell even with a sensor booster. But that's my own lack of experience/fit weakness.)



If you have an alt it's very easy & fast: have the alt take aggro in something small that the NPCs won't hit. The NPCs will damp the alt while you melt them.


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If you shoot the spies in any WC, the whole room aggros. If you leave them alone, on warp in the only things that should be shooting you are one of the spawns and the 2 spy frigs.



Sadly some times the spies don't spawn and you get room aggro, other times they spawn yet you still get room aggro on arrival.

Neoexecutor
Minmatar
Skynet Technologies
Posted - 2011.04.02 02:37:00 - [36]
 

Fun things to do to challenge yourself if you think you are UBER and no lvl 4 is hard for you:

-The Assault: aggro all 4 packs in room one, proceed clearing the room (solo).
-Smash The Supplier: supertank a maurauder/hac/t3 use it for stationary tank, have 3-4 friends RR you, make sure your operation handles ~8500 unresisted damage per second, enjoy the laser show and something like ~40m worth of tags + bunch of loot
-Worlds Collide - as mentioned before, have whole room aggro on either side (Gurista hurts more compared to Serp, haven't done other types) because of unsuccessful warp in, have yourself scrammed, webbed and watching the race between drones killing the scramming frigs and failing tank.
-In The Midst of Deadspace (5 of 5) - whole room aggro in the last pocket can get hairy fast depending on your ship type/drone strength etc.
-The Blockade - killing only triggers will create a pressure on the tank upwards the end for sure.

Many others, but as mentioned most of challenges with lvl 4s come from either bad skills/fittings or mismanaging aggro.

Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.02 11:26:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Crabs Collector
If you have a properly fitted marauder, none of the 4's are hard. Things only get tough if you have a badly fitted BS and/or trigger the wrong things.


This pretty much, though using the wrong race ship in certain regions can be bad too, try missioning in minmatar space in an amarr BS if you want a tough time (minnie space has lots of angel missions and lasers are terrible against angels).

T1 BS with T2 tank will do any L4, though if you lack dps breaking the tank of some of the rats can be difficult.

Me Gusta
Posted - 2011.04.02 13:09:00 - [38]
 

People saying level 4's are easy are obviously missing out the little detail that yes they will be easy when you're doing them in some uber faction/t3 ship outfitted with deadspace and/or officer mods, you bought the right to make them easy - for people doing them in T2 fitted battleships, missions like Enemies Abound and stop the thief can be a total nightmare no matter how good your aggro management is.

Rathawk
Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:31:00 - [39]
 

I do my missions solo, no alts, just me, and I have to agree with the OP that Smash The Supplier is the hardest one that I've found. I was in an AC Vargur (very good skills) and was unable to finish it. I was warping out repeatedly and still unable to do any real damage.

Using an Arty Maelstrom made it a bit easier, I had to fit for range and move away fast and far to reduce the incoming damage to a sustainable level. I think I still had to warp out once or twice. Doable, but still the hardest mission, IMHO.

I wish there were more missions that were this tough.

-Rat

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.04.02 17:59:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Salpad on 02/04/2011 19:24:21
Edited by: Salpad on 02/04/2011 19:18:30
Originally by: TonyCandthejets
I did a calculation on EFT and found out that the difference in dps between what I can do right now and what I would do with all skills at 5 is about 27 points of dps.

So..... its not really worth training all my gunnery skills or ship skills to max because even if I did level 4 missions would STILL take forever!


This might not always be correct. A little extra gank sometimes goes a long way.

Some rats tank actively. They have a shield regen, or a chance of having a shield boost effect, or an armour repair effect, which means that they recover from the damage you do to them.

Imagine a rat that can regen 90 HP/s and has 1000 HP.

If you do 105 HP/s of damage to it, then your effective damage is 15 HP/s, and it will take you 1000 HP / (15 HP/s) = 66.7 seconds to kill it.

Increase your damage to 120 HP/s. Now you do 30 HP/s effective damage (because the rat still tanks 90 HP/s) and so you can kill it in 33.3s, twice as fast as before.

Even though you only increased your DPS by 15, or by 14.2%, you increased your gank speed by 100%!

Those extra 27 DPS you're talking about might end up doing a huge difference, on missions.

edit: Fixed example, it should be correct now.

Marlus Fong
Caldari
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:42:00 - [41]
 

I don't recall having fought Smash the Supplier. However, way back when I was the noobiest of noobs, Worlds Collide L1 was the toughest. I've fought WC L4 several times now and aside from dealing with the scraming frigates, not that bad. Be ready for the little Bast**ds. Have a good tank and good level of skills for the ship you fly and go have fun.
I thought Angel Extravaganza was kinda tough but it has become a parts collection facility for old Marlus.

The only L4, solo mission that has kicked my ass and ****ed me off was Evil or Very Mad Raven . Hint: I was flying a Raven. Hint2: Recon is not an active shield, sniper boat mission. Take a Drake or Nighthawk or blitz the thing in an interceptor. However, blitzing is just business and not fun.

Fong


Marga Roberge
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:46:00 - [42]
 

This is my tactic also. Works well in most missions.

Fong

Originally by: SandrestalFit a sniper ship with a AB and head out to about 100k. Keep heading away and kill frigs first and cruisers second. Kill BS's last. Never let BS's under 60k range. When done come back in noctis and clean up.[/quote

Crabs Collector
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:47:00 - [43]
 

Lvl 1s and 2s are probably the hardest missions anyway, because people dont know what to do and have bad skills/fits. When doing lvl 4's you can just sit and pop stuff coming towards you :p, at lvl 1 and some 2s you have to do much more flying and orbitting.

Marlus Fong
Caldari
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:49:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Marlus Fong on 03/04/2011 12:49:39
Fong says: Not Raven but Recon ^^^^^^ Three replies up.


M.Fong

Forum Troll Trolling
Forum Trolling Corp
Posted - 2011.04.03 18:51:00 - [45]
 

Recon lvl 4 is an isk printing machine if you have a VERY good ship and near max skills, WC level one was a joke with a coercer, kite everything to death with an AB and 6 beams. lvl 4 WC occasionally gives me some trouble, there are a few lvl 3 missions that would give me some trouble even if i was in a autocannon machrial with max skills, once that you end up aggroing the whole room and trying to run away from them all...

Mister Agreeable
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:23:00 - [46]
 

My sweet privateer L3 is hardest by far as in most ridiculously unbalanced. Harder than 2/3 of all L4 missions, and it's a L3. A BC vs a swarm of BS rats.

Castina
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:05:00 - [47]
 

My Sweet Privateer is also the single handedly most unbalanced for its level mission I have ever done. It's a level 3 with battleships.

I did like its loot though.

Wastelander Miccey
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:11:00 - [48]
 

Did Worlds Collide yesterday, Gurista/Serpentis..
Twice, farmed...In a Active Rattlesnake and a
Active CNR...Was quite fun and rewarding....
After that mission i was offerd Smash the
supplier....

Think ill ask me corpmates to join me...hehe
Never done that one...

Mister Agreeable
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:21:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Wastelander Miccey
Did Worlds Collide yesterday, Gurista/Serpentis..
Twice, farmed...In a Active Rattlesnake and a
Active CNR...Was quite fun and rewarding....
After that mission i was offerd Smash the
supplier....

Think ill ask me corpmates to join me...hehe
Never done that one...


Ditch Rattle, burn CNR to max missile distance, kill tower in 4 minutes. Piece of pss. Could also fit Rattle to passive tank and farm it easily.

Valhallas
Gallente
The Executioners
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:29:00 - [50]
 

I don't mean to be rude but most of the people giving an opinion have never done the full range of standard L4 missions and can only say what the hardest L4 mission THEY have done is.

I can't honestly say I have done every mission either but I know that L4 Blockade v's D.E.D (A division of Concord), is harder than many of the "hardest missions" given so far.

Jack Abramof
Posted - 2011.05.08 08:52:00 - [51]
 

Agree with the OP, Smash the supplier , is by far the hardest mission for me ( im talking with full room aggro, not the blitz ). Even in a Vargur, i had to warp multiple times, nothing can even come remotely close to the dps aplied here, its just insane.

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2011.05.08 10:14:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jen Tarii
What do you consider to be the hardest Level 4 mission to do with a properly fitted ship?


Any one you don't read the pre mission briefing for and shoot all the triggers straight off. You eventually reach a level skillwise however where occasionally you will trigger stuff early on purpose just to add a little spice to otherwise boring missions.

Inzax
Caldari
In ZAX
New Eden Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.05.08 13:05:00 - [53]
 

Zabonn Michi-Lost Love. Caldari Cosmos LV4. System Otomainen, Rush Town Ruins.

There are others but this one stuck out. Have not checked the market but the rewards for this mission amounted to a billion isk (or so).

Caldaeron
Posted - 2011.05.08 19:30:00 - [54]
 

I get a headache everytime the agent offers me Stop the Thief, and I choose to accept it... I can tank every lvl4 mission with my Drake (and some aggro management), but in StT I have to warp out at least once. Provided, of course, that frigs don't start scrambling me on 35% shield :rolleyes:

XShadowWhispererX
Posted - 2011.05.09 15:25:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: XShadowWhispererX on 09/05/2011 15:31:39
All lvl 4 missions are a doddle if you read the mission brief and use the right ammo/hardners. Worlds collide can be fun if you get full room agro on the second room but no chance of getting popped. I do all lvl 4's in a Drake and hardly ever get 30% of shields shot away even with 2 BCU's on instead of shield rechrges. I dont blitz, I kill all NPC's

If however u dont read the briefs then they get way harder, v quickly

STT - done that loads in Drake with no probs, maybe my skills arte better

Sebastiann Kane
Posted - 2011.05.10 02:57:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Mister Agreeable
My sweet privateer L3 is hardest by far as in most ridiculously unbalanced. Harder than 2/3 of all L4 missions, and it's a L3. A BC vs a swarm of BS rats.



This

Darth Dreads
Posted - 2011.05.10 03:16:00 - [57]
 

let's not forget the bonus room in the extravaganza mission, the incoming dps is similar to some of the epic arc missions and is a challenge to solo,youll need a key to enter though after you cleared the 5 previous pockets, its optional so not needed to complete.


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