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Gallactica
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
Posted - 2011.04.24 08:20:00 - [211]
 

I suggest that QCats leadership speaks to there pilot, I have stated our position but he now seems intent on causing very soon to be irrecoverable problems.

Lianna Darkefyre
Posted - 2011.04.24 15:07:00 - [212]
 

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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.04.24 15:10:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Gallactica
I suggest that QCats leadership speaks to there pilot, I have stated our position but he now seems intent on causing very soon to be irrecoverable problems.


In Fact, we'll be in touch with the QCATS Leadership Directly to discuss this Matter. Having given this matter some thought, we believe that there is still a place for Dialogue to resolve this Issue peacefully between our Corporations without resorting to Mud Slinging on the IGS.

Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.24 15:44:00 - [214]
 

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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.24 19:28:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Tekitha
just as I would expect no apology from QCATS regarding the warmongering that Nexxala has been posting in this thread.

that is all


Warmongering?

Pointing out inconsistencies from official SOTF statements is warmongering?

Questioning your corp's dedication to the war effort is warmongering?


Warmongering is throwing childish insults toward someone who is simply questioning your actions.

Warmongering is repairing war targets while they are in combat with Gallente militia

Warmongering is insulting fellow Gallente militia in local.

If you stop these things I don't see any reason for a silly war, blue ops are not the issue. If you take a step back and view the situation in a bit more of a mature manner maybe you will realize this is a lot simpler then you may think.

Now as far as not being allowed in that particular intel channel, that has NOTHING to do with QCATS. It's not our channel! The sad thing is, you already knew that. Most Qcats didn't even know you were not allowed in there, including myself. Also no one in QCATS was ever told you were resurrecting your old intel channels, we were forced to leave said channel based on your hostile actions toward us while not in Gallente militia.

Now I speak here because my leadership doesn't. If they agree with me or not I do not know. But I refuse to sit by and say nothing when I see such blaring disrespect toward QCATS.

Oh and one more thing Tek and Gal...SLAPD is not QCATS and vice versa. And QCATS most certainly are not the same as some of the other corps that choose to live in heyd. Try taking a step toward understanding that first.

Koratte
Gallente
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.04.24 20:04:00 - [216]
 

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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.25 02:53:00 - [217]
 

It is very disturbing hearing that SoTF has been remote repping Caldari militia pilots in fights with Federation Militia pilots for the past three nights, including remote repping the pilots on this killmail Ghey SOTF RR.

It appears I have placed my trust in the wrong people. For that I am ashamed and apologize to my fellow Federation Militia pilots.

Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.25 03:30:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Koratte
...


Wow...and to think that I used to hold W-BR in high regard... Very....'mature'.

@ SOTF:

Warmongering?

Hmmm... Ironic since it is SOTF members who show a complete lack of maturity and respect in local and public channels toward fellow militia pilots. Yes, there will always be disagreements, but prior to and upon your retuirn from 0.0, SOTF has shown a consitant behavior in public to indicate a definate culture of disrespect towards so called "allies".

And now we have the above KM...

No one wants an inter-militia war gentlmen. But neither are we just gonna sit back and be spat upon, day after day.

I could care less who you guys fly with and when. As a free pilot of the Federation, I have chosen to avoid SOTF pilots when able since the implosion of the MDP, as I choose not to be associated with your corp. Judging by your recent PUBLIC actions, it would seem to further do so is well justified.

It's actually quite a shame. Our two corps used to have a good thing going, but it is now clear from very public comments and actions by senior SOTF personnel that such a partnership is of the past.

As prior statements were inconsistant with observed actions, attempting to get a straight answer as to your corp's intentions is far from warmongering. However, consistant public disrespect is.

JT133
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:14:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 23/04/2011 19:24:35
Originally by: JT133

Confirming that Wolfsbrigade has no standings established with Shadows Of The Federation. On the contrary, we are in a state of war with them and employ whatever means necessary to terminate them.
As stated previously in this thread, at certain times, operations are put into effect that are mutually beneficial to both corporations. Do not assume that this means positive standings are in effect.


How can you state such things when you run blue ops with them on a nightly basis? SOTF has also been repairing you while you are engaged with Gallente Militia.

The only thing you all are confirming is your inability to tell the truth.


We befriended SOTF when they defacted from the Gallente militia and joined RAGE however once they re-joined the Gallente militia any standings in place were removed (Standings Transaction ID #5288415375 set on 18th April YC111). Once outside of the factional warfare area of engagement and boundaries we do assist each other in eliminating pirates in uncontrolled non-empire space, this is for the good of us all and even in times of war we can better the safety of all of our people by eliminating rogue elements that pose a threat to us all. In regard to SOTF repairing our ships, we must pass through the Black Rise and Placid regions to reach null security space, yet QCATS amongst other Heydieles corporations belonging the the Federal Defense Union seem intent on hindering our travels. We attempted to give you fair warning to disengage before, yet it appears that you are keen to engage us regardless of what we say and hence SOTF were forced to repair us to ensure the continuity of the fleet and the operation.

Remember what your Senator said, Ms. Nexxala. Watch your words, your heinous allegations that we would lie in a public forum does no favours to you and your corporation.

"The laws of the Federation were written for the good of the many. Not the good of the Gallente nor the good of the Caldari. Hopefully, we can help them remember this."
- Gallente Senator Fronte Belliare, Senate session 23154/T3782. CE 23154.11.21

Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:32:00 - [220]
 

I haven't seen anything about this yet, but after personally watching my friend lose his proteus to a joint sotf/squid fleet while sotf repped the caldari he was trying to get away from, and even shooting him during it, instead of helping a fellow gallente pilot, I just can't hold back anymore.

SOTF has been belligerent with the Heyd resident corps since the MDP fell apart when the BI-PO ceo Eddie "titan scam" Valvetino decided to form an allaince and crown himself emperor and **** on everybodys head, except what him and his friends considered the "worthy" corps QCATS and SOTF.

When his proposal fell through, a lot of hate and venom was spat from his minions, including but not limited to tekitha, lockout (byron), Hyde, among others. Granted people like Wladislaw were always douches. And since SLAPD was split form QCATS during this time, they decided for some reaon to blame us for their failures. Bi-Po soon failcascaded for inactivity and for getting ****d in a wardec by then Bacardis corp 8th Fleet or something like it.

So after the failcascade, many bi-po pilots joined SOTF since they were sister corps, played at the same timezone and were based out of Niswua, despite having run fleets together for a long time. It was only natural.

So they played together, no doubt slithering venom towards my corp and the other "Heyd People" as they jokingly refer to us. They started shooting my corpmates for ridiculous reasons like a noob looting some ammo from a wreck, even after returning it. There was never a diplomatic mail asking for stolen loot or apologies for shooting a gcc member of ours, or shooting a member of ours shooting pirates (BYDI) that they were in "temp-blue" taht no one know about. This term was to be used many times.

After many eons of nis corps doing their thing on eutz and heyd corps doing their thing on ustz, because we are split mainly by timezones, and many hidden snake cloak/warp core stab fleets and much lowsec daily activities, and after sotf becoming friends with their only local oponent, wolfsbrigade, they got bored to death and decided to join the NC, probably at suggestion of their BFF wolfsbrigade. They join rage and then the alliance is invaded by the Russians and PL and gets stomped, so sotf naturally never had what it takes to live in 0.0, and i say this not as a stab, but because 0.0 lag/blob warfare is really ****, and sotfis a lowsec corp with skilled pilots used to flying small gangs to 30 pilots usually.

Meanwhile, the olden bi-po infiltrators keep trying to gank Heyd corps with their wolfs brosefs. They attempt to hotdrop us with a large armor b, logi and carrier support but get anihilated because of drunken fcing by lockout. See it here.

But it was all good because they were not in militia. Sure it looks tacky to be shooting your ex blues, but no one really complained about it. But then they run a temp blue op with gal mil, and then a few minutes later they go gcc on my corp mate, after telling us all that they were coming back to militia. Good way to start, lets gank our ex friend after running a blue op right before we rejoin the "alliance". Then this is followed by a lot of forum venom in this thread "wer back, sup 'Heyd People'".

And now the above mentioned proteus kill where they gank my friend that was pointed by a random squid, he cant do anything because suddenly the people he is trying to shoot are being repped by the same people who are his blues and alliance mates.
'
SOTF are traitors to the federation, don't honor blues (guess whos on the km with the squids) and **** on the head of everyone that doesn't svck their short euro d!cks. There is a reason a large part of the gallente militia despises SOTF today.

cont...

Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:45:00 - [221]
 

Continuing the above post.

Despite all the anymosity seeping from the bi-po infiltrators, SOTF used to be a really nice corp with friendly people. Gallactica specially always stroke me as a very mature older player that was always very friendly and easy to talk to. Sort of like Ammon Dei.

The problem is the bi-po players keep spreading venom at every opportunity, rallying animosity against the "Heyd People" to forward and justify their pathetic vendetta to become the next [FAIL]BANE alliance. So in essence, Gallactica has lost control of his corporation. He may very well recognize that what his membership now largely (maybe i am wrong and it is just a minority for now) believe is a load of bvll****, but recognizing and calling them out for it will look very bad for his constituency, so he has to look like he is protecting them when other militia pilots call sotf out on its rudeness and treasonous behavior.

I guess the bi-po infection has already assimilated the corporation, and they will surely suffer for it just as wolfy did and bi-po did.

But look, my beef with you is not that you act like ****s, talk smack, and behave like as*hats, it is majorly that you are supposed to be part of my team. If you want to suck caldari ba!!s, jus merge your corporation into Wolfsbrigade since you may not have the standings for it, and then after running some missions like you seem to do so much, given the clutter of fw mods on market atm, you can all rejoin sotf and go play Tibus Heth Mercenary turncoats for all I care.

It will be best for everyone. No more being traitors, just one big fat euro blob that has to travel 20+ jumps to get a worthy gank, and on the plus side you wont even have to camp the nourv gate anymore.

Just wanted to say that you Done Goofing, and Consequences Will Never Be The Same.
Respectfully,

Neo Gabriel,
Luminaire General

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:10:00 - [222]
 

Allying with Caldari corps and shooting Gallente militia while *not* in the Gallente militia? Fine by me.

Rejoining Gallente militia, but still liking Caldari corps and doing blue ops with them? I'm OK with that too.

Choosing to remain neutral and not assist Gallente pilots that are actively engaged with Caldari pilots? That's OK too.

But HELPING Caldari pilots who are engaged with Gallente pilots while you're in the Gallente militia? THAT'S what I (and most everyone else) have a problem with. Gallactica at least seems to want an amiable relationship with the rest of the Gallente militia, and I applaud him for that, but the words and actions of some other SotF members are simply inexcusable.

Also, the hypocrisy of the OP under the light of recent developments is hilarious.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:17:00 - [223]
 

Taste your own medicine, Q-CATS.

Chicken W1ng
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:19:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 25/04/2011 05:21:05
Regarding the dead proteus which is why you guys apparently got sand in your genitals, causing you to make a fuss about it on the forums... As mentioned engaging our fleet blindly wasn't the best thing to do. If you are looking for someone to blame, the first person to look at should always be yourself.

Wether there were SOTF reps on WBR pilots or not wouldn't have changed the fact that the proteus would be dead meat in the end, so what is this all about?

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:23:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Aerilis on 25/04/2011 05:23:23
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
Regarding the dead proteus which is why you guys apparently got sand in your genitals, causing you to make a fuss about it on the forums... As mentioned engaging our fleet blindly wasn't the best thing to do. If you are looking for someone to blame, the first person to look at should always be yourself.


"Oh, my ally is doing something not so smart, I'm going to help his enemies kill him instead of helping him out of his predicament"

Makes sense....

Chicken W1ng
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:34:00 - [226]
 

You can't seriously be so narrow-minded, can you?

Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:34:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Chicken W1ng

Wether there were SOTF reps on WBR pilots or not wouldn't have changed the fact that the proteus would be dead meat in the end, so what is this all about?


SOTF could have repaired the Proteus, and in the case of one pilot (which was likely a pilot error and not malice); not shot at it.

SOTF did none of this, and instead continued to maintain a capacitor transfer in aid to those who were killing a T3 of their own militia.

This was the course of action that their FC decided upon, he chose to let our corp member die to mutual war targets instead of providing assistance and avoiding an incident.

If I am incorrect on any of these points, let me know. Many Heydieles residents including myself have worked hard to improve inter-corp relations with the residents of Nisuwa, and we are still trying. In the meantime, this needs a serious explanation.

Chicken W1ng
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2011.04.25 05:43:00 - [228]
 

The thing is, those things you mention don't really matter.
In reality you just can't interfere with other corps operations like that and assume you would automatically get support, only because there are some "purple" pilots on the field. Even if we wouldn't have had a fleet together, there are literally tons of other things that could happen, so this doesn't change the fact that the proteus' pilot action was stupid, giving him no rights to accuse others for what he did.
So please give us a rest of this hypocritical behaviour, which is merely an attempt to badmouth SOTF for your own stupidity.

Jack Coutu
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.04.25 06:18:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Jack Coutu on 25/04/2011 07:33:15
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
The thing is, those things you mention don't really matter.
In reality you just can't interfere with other corps operations like that and assume you would automatically get support, only because there are some "purple" pilots on the field. Even if we wouldn't have had a fleet together, there are literally tons of other things that could happen, so this doesn't change the fact that the proteus' pilot action was stupid, giving him no rights to accuse others for what he did.
So please give us a rest of this hypocritical behavior, which is merely an attempt to badmouth SOTF for your own stupidity.



Please show me where I said anything at all in this thread about my actions. You need a lesson in reading, not to mention you happen to be a terrible pilot yourself. This thread and the discussion is not about what I or anyone else will lose due to the treason of SOTF and those that fly with a corp like W-BR. It's about the fact that a SOTF member fired upon me, and that other miltia members openly supported the attacking parties with logistics and if we had a more equally sized fleet. I have no doubt it would of gotten to a point were your "temp blues" were going to rep you and watch us die or better yet, more than the one SOTF pilot would of jumped on the mail.

Apparently when SOTF left RAGE they agreed to still be NC pets, as it's pretty obvious now you all operate in much the same manner as NC fleets anyways. We've all heard about W-BR ridiculous "no losses in fleets" policy, and some of the more reasonable members of the Caldari miltia split off since being mindless blobbing ***s was no longer fun. Imagine if you were blue with them and they were flying with us and they jumped on your killmail and helped rep a SLAPD gang. I'm sure you'd be ****ed.
However I should remember that you are way better at reading that I am, so please Chicken Wing, continue to present us with your excellent analysis of this situation, and now that I actually HAVE said something, you can use what I said in this thread instead of claiming I was crying about anything. Personally I think you are just bitter you've lost so many overly expensive ships that you killed one and now want to believe I engaged thinking I had a chance against my own militia with your fleet combined. If I had known about the ridiculous agreement SOTF and other Federal Defence Union pilots had made, I never would of fired a shot. SOTF wasn't my favorite bunch but I thought better of them until now. I hope this is resolved, but regardless of whether or not it is, you'll never see me crying about a ship loss, but you will see me making sure that those that shoot blues and active militia members are dealt with.

Derp Commander and Distributor of Helmets
Jack Coutu

Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.25 07:22:00 - [230]
 

ppl referring to the whole bipo era and what may or may not have happened to destroy the MDP, or for that matter the circumstances around sotf joining and leaving RAGE ( and seriously u guys have ur facts so skewed on this it's laughable) that proteus pilot lost his ship thru his own stupidity, HE made the assumption that 2 "seemingly" non aligned fleets (altho it had been common knowledge for 4 hours previous that we were in the same fleet) were fighting, HE made The decision to agress! 1 sotf pilot shot at him ... Who was subsequently reprimanded for that action and the rest of us sat by and lolled at his foolish assumption that we would help him (tbh the truth of the matter is he thought we were already fighting and he wanted to ***** on killmails) who's at fault here I ask?

End of the day sotf has not, and indeed will not shoot other gallente militia (for purely standings based reasons) if certain gallente pilots make the assumption without first enquiring as to what is actually happening on a gate, well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates) does this really sound unreasonable?

CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist

Jack Coutu
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.04.25 07:48:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Tekitha
ppl referring to the whole bipo era and what may or may not have happened to destroy the MDP, or for that matter the circumstances around sotf joining and leaving RAGE ( and seriously u guys have ur facts so skewed on this it's laughable) that proteus pilot lost his ship thru his own stupidity, HE made the assumption that 2 "seemingly" non aligned fleets (altho it had been common knowledge for 4 hours previous that we were in the same fleet) were fighting, HE made The decision to agress! 1 sotf pilot shot at him ... Who was subsequently reprimanded for that action and the rest of us sat by and lolled at his foolish assumption that we would help him (tbh the truth of the matter is he thought we were already fighting and he wanted to ***** on killmails) who's at fault here I ask?

End of the day sotf has not, and indeed will not shoot other gallente militia (for purely standings based reasons) if certain gallente pilots make the assumption without first enquiring as to what is actually happening on a gate, well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates) does this really sound unreasonable?

CONCORD OOC censor applied. Zymurgist


Who are you?

Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.25 07:57:00 - [232]
 

^^. wow, errr, nobody with any relevance to this thread I guess ... :)

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.25 09:42:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Annie Anomie on 25/04/2011 09:44:39
Jack Coutu has been directing "slithering venom" at us non-stop since we got back. To be perfectly honest, we just don't like him.

Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.04.25 09:49:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Tekitha
well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates)


Are you confirming that your logis have been repping war targets that are engaging Heydieles corps?

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.04.25 10:41:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Annie Anomie on 25/04/2011 10:54:24
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
Originally by: Tekitha
well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates)


Are you confirming that your logis have been repping war targets that are engaging Heydieles corps?


Don't think we had to. It melted pretty quickly.

The cap chain would have still been up however.

We're certainly not flying around with WBR providing logi while they prosecute and engage your guys. Fleet was heading back to Nisuwa to stand down for a bit pending another nullsec roam when Coutugate happened.

Gallactica
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
Posted - 2011.04.25 11:42:00 - [236]
 

The Proteus pilot who lost his ship will be Re-imbersed and you have my sincerest apologies for that, the pilot in question will be dealt with.

Rather than have all this garbage spouted i suggest a meeting be called to let people get these things off there chest. In all honesty this has been brewing for a long time now and a lot of this have needed to be said, and hopefully once and for all we can draw a line under the past.

SoTF isn't perfect and we do make mistakes and when we do you have to hold your hand up,
man up and admit them.

Can the leader of the respective corps contact me to arrange a suitable time.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.25 11:56:00 - [237]
 

It is amusing to note that at the beginning of this thread, I-RED were taking the brunt of the verbal mudslinging for their support of certain Federation militia corps. Gentlemen like Neo Gabriel (not singling you out, just giving example) made some very smug comments about a once-loyal Caldari corporation that seemed to have shifted sides.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot and a once Fed-loyal group are allegedly assisting the Caldari, all I hear is lament.

The wheel turns, does it not gentlemen?


Bhramin
Shadows Of The Federation
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2011.04.25 13:34:00 - [238]
 

I remember a Caldari corporation which declared war on supposed allies for following a mutually benefical path for eliminating mutual threats.

I do not desire a civil war in the gallente militia and hope one can be avoided but maybe you should reflect on who you resemble with you attempts to dictate Shadows of the Federation corporate policy.

That said I mourn the loss of your pilots proteus in this unfortunate incident.

Drackarn
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
Posted - 2011.04.25 13:45:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: Drackarn on 25/04/2011 13:47:28
Many are making a comet out of a veldspar 'roid here.

Looking at SoTF's confirmed latest kills I see 16 out of the latest 25 are Caldari State. We've got 8 non-FW in there, mainly pie or 0.0. There is a SINGLE Gallente Milita kill where ONE SoTF member opened fire. In the heat of battle mistakes are made. Our CEO, Gallactica has already said they will be dealt with and the loss reinbursed.

Siding with the Caldari? Really? Seriously?

Yes we team up with WB to kill pirates. Looking at this communication, you'd think we're camping the Villore gate with the squid militia!

BacardiDesire
Perkone
Posted - 2011.04.25 14:13:00 - [240]
 

Civil Wars are fun Cool


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