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Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:08:00 - [1]
 

Hey everyone :)

For a while now I had a Nemesis in my docking bay because I love the Tristan hull and was checking up on possible fits. What I noticed was that all of them were of the relative short-range torpedo/bomb setup.

As I'm a big fan of shooting stuff at very long range (110+) I was wondering why nobody seems to care about missile setups. Are these just not feasible on the Nemesis?

Now please keep in mind that I've been playing EVE solely in 0.5-1.0 and am trying to get some secret scouting done in areas which are not patrolled by CONCORD.

And maybe even take a shot at some unwitting target before screaming like a schoolgirl and dashing off like crazy if he starts targeting me lol Razz

So if anyone can offer some advice as to why people just don't bother with missile setups, or has a setup that would/could work in 0.3-0.4 or something please let me know :)

Also, I was wondering if your 'security status' also goes down if you start blowing up ships in 0.4 (no podkilling mind you, just ships). Will you eventually get to like -10.0 and be shut out of 1.0 space forever with CONCORD running you down? ugh

Anyways, thanks if some people could provide me with some answers to these questions and can give me some pointers or even full fits regarding the potential use of missiles on a long-range Nemesis build (and if CONCORD will come calling if I start shooting in 0.4 and then trying to get back to my Corporate HQ in 0.8)

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:19:00 - [2]
 

t2 javelin torps with the right fit can hit out past 110km

Also torps are missiles, what exactly is it that you're asking?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:33:00 - [3]
 

piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.

Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:37:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Aveneo on 30/03/2011 16:53:43
Oh, I think I'm being stupid. I figured that Siege Launchers could fire missiles when it turns out that the Nemesis is only used with torpedoes due to the bonuses :(

Serves me right I guess, thinking that the missile was for long range and the torpedo for short range

Guess this thread can be closed then as I've read the description for the Nemesis and there's no mention of it using missiles anywhere.

But I'd still like to know if I get a low security status if I shoot at people in 0.4 and then go back to my HQ in 0.8 (where CONCORD might just blow me up because I find myself with -10.0 status or something).

Sorry for the confusion, it's just me being confused and mixing Siege with Cruise...

Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Hmmm, I'm guessing that of all potential stealth bombers; the Nemesis is the most unremarkable of the lot?

I have been crosstraining a bit, so if people could offer their suggestions on better stealth bombers, that'd be great. The main stealth bombers are the Purifier, Manticore, Hound and Nemesis; right? Which one would people choose to deploy (with the best hope at going solo as I don't have a gang/fleet as an option)? :)


Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:53:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Aveneo on 30/03/2011 16:53:17
oops, quoted instead of edit. Confused

Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:14:00 - [7]
 

Stealth bombers can fit Siege Launchers (torps). Bombers can NOT fit Cruise launchers (cruise missiles).

Also, bear in mind that the Stealth Bomber is a 'Glass Cannon' in that it does monsterous damage for its size, but doesn't have much ability to survive when hit directly.
Solo bombers tend to die. Bomber gangs tend to tear a swath through targets.

Also, Bombers do best against LARGE targets (battleships and up) but do pitifully low damage against smaller targets. Read up on torps for more information.

Dr Richard Dawkins
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aveneo
Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Hmmm, I'm guessing that of all potential stealth bombers; the Nemesis is the most unremarkable of the lot?



It's far and away the hardest to fit. With perfect skills you still need implants/expensive meta to meet the effectiveness of a manti or hound. Since SB's are (relatively) cheap and very fragile, flying one that's cost effective is important to most pilots. Although some still fly purifier (em bonus makes it a nice caladari ratting bs ganker) and nemesis, there are a hell of a lot more hounds and manitcores about due to these issues.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:54:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 30/03/2011 17:54:26
Originally by: Dr Richard Dawkins
Originally by: Aveneo
Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Hmmm, I'm guessing that of all potential stealth bombers; the Nemesis is the most unremarkable of the lot?



It's far and away the hardest to fit. With perfect skills you still need implants/expensive meta to meet the effectiveness of a manti or hound. Since SB's are (relatively) cheap and very fragile, flying one that's cost effective is important to most pilots. Although some still fly purifier (em bonus makes it a nice caladari ratting bs ganker) and nemesis, there are a hell of a lot more hounds and manitcores about due to these issues.
tbh in an all-round view, hound and purifier are the best, manticore comes close in second and makes a nice ewar makeshift platform, and the nemesis simply can't cut it. it has the same grid of the manticore, yet less cpu and the same number of medslots. it also has the poorest agility of all 4

Dr Richard Dawkins
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 30/03/2011 17:54:26
Originally by: Dr Richard Dawkins
Originally by: Aveneo
Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Hmmm, I'm guessing that of all potential stealth bombers; the Nemesis is the most unremarkable of the lot?



It's far and away the hardest to fit. With perfect skills you still need implants/expensive meta to meet the effectiveness of a manti or hound. Since SB's are (relatively) cheap and very fragile, flying one that's cost effective is important to most pilots. Although some still fly purifier (em bonus makes it a nice caladari ratting bs ganker) and nemesis, there are a hell of a lot more hounds and manitcores about due to these issues.
tbh in an all-round view, hound and purifier are the best, manticore comes close in second and makes a nice ewar makeshift platform, and the nemesis simply can't cut it. it has the same grid of the manticore, yet less cpu and the same number of medslots. it also has the poorest agility of all 4


Puri has it's use, as I mentioned, but by the cost-effective metric unless you're constantly attacking shield-tanked targets it's more expensive to operate and replace than the hound/manti, but you're certainly right the polar resist bonus' are definitely the most appealing. I run a manti when i'm uncertain on the target (which is most of the time, i'm terrible at scouting my targets) since I can fit and replace it on the cheap.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Oh, come on. A bomber is a bomber is a bomber once you've got your fitting skills past the "suck" stage. You select which one you fly based almost entirely on the probable resist hole of your prey (i.e. you use a hound in Syndicate space where it's full of armor-tanked gallente boats with no explosive hardeners), the fitting differences are so trivial as to be almost entirely nonexistent and your defenses... well, you don't have any, no matter what ship you pick and what you fit on it.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:15:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 30/03/2011 19:18:23
Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: Grimpak
piece of advice: if you can fly any other bomber besides the nems, just sell it.

if not, well try to shoehorn it and at least fill out the medslots.


Oh, come on. A bomber is a bomber is a bomber once you've got your fitting skills past the "suck" stage. You select which one you fly based almost entirely on the probable resist hole of your prey (i.e. you use a hound in Syndicate space where it's full of armor-tanked gallente boats with no explosive hardeners), the fitting differences are so trivial as to be almost entirely nonexistent and your defenses... well, you don't have any, no matter what ship you pick and what you fit on it.
any other bomber is still better.

nemesis is the only where you hit a wall when you try to go mwd+MSE with T2 launchers and bomb launcher, because there is not enough grid for it even with a MAPC (hound and purifier can), and it runs out of cpu with a dmg control + MSE with a MAPC fit, while the manticore can actually do that and cram a couple of damps or TD's for extra juiciness.

tbh only good point the nemesis has is thermal damage, while the other 3 bombers are pretty much better in every other aspect.

as an addendum even in agility it falls behind the other 3. if you have access to all the other races' bombers, any other bomber is better unless you just want to fling bombs and not shooting missiles or whatever.

and yes, I tried all the bombers and have maxed out fitting skills. even shield upgrades.

Paikis
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:45:00 - [13]
 

Unconventional bomber use: Surprise Tackle!

Please note: This is unconventional for a reason; it's a good way to get your bomber wrecked. It can be good for holding things down while you call your buddies though.

[Manticore, Surprise Butt Secks]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Scrambler II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

T2 launchers work as well. You may need implants to fit this ship. (3% PG)

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Paikis
Unconventional bomber use: Surprise Tackle!

Please note: This is unconventional for a reason; it's a good way to get your bomber wrecked. It can be good for holding things down while you call your buddies though.

[Manticore, Surprise Butt Secks]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Scrambler II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

T2 launchers work as well. You may need implants to fit this ship. (3% PG)



Laughing

Paikis
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:24:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Laughing


Yeah I was trying those to see if I could make it fit, then I forgot and copied to clip board and closed EFT and by the time I realised I CBF going back and changing it, hence the last line in my post.

Don't use CNRocket Launchers :)

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2011.03.31 02:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Aveneo
Hey everyone :)
For a while now I had a Nemesis in my docking bay because I love the Tristan hull and was checking up on possible fits. What I noticed was that all of them were of the relative short-range torpedo/bomb setup.



Short range? Javelin Torps can reach over 100km from a bomber...

Yurij Sobeit
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:40:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Yurij Sobeit on 31/03/2011 12:41:02
Originally by: Paikis
[Manticore, Surprise Butt Secks]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Scrambler II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II



Canyon extender ? Isn't that a bit rare and expensive for a throwaway lolfit ?


 

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