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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: SFShootme on 30/03/2011 12:39:27
So a my corp-mate Htrag, who has had his accounts cancelled for a while, got mailed by CCP asking for game feedback and what caused the cancellation of his accounts.

Initially telling them to go screw them selfs he figured it would be allot more constructive to try and sum up what he feels is ruining the game as of late.

Since the full thing is way to large for this forum, you can find it in his blog post
--->>here<<---

I thought it was funny and pretty accurate.

-SFS

Neo Omni
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:44:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Neo Omni on 30/03/2011 13:01:22


My account is going back to sleep at the end of this month/March 2011. I fired it up for a month to see if anything had changed.

My main gripe is and always will be A LACK OF BALANCE BETWEEN CAREBEAR ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND PVP ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FEATURES.

This is an example of the utter BS in this game.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:49:00 - [3]
 

I had noticed that were was previously no easy way for PLEX users to say why they stopped playing. Then recently I got an email asking why one of said accounts was inactive.

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:14:00 - [4]
 

Apart from the bot issue, his reasons for quitting were stupid. Things like engine trails, cyno special effect, etc. Duh!

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:18:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
Some of the most fun Iíve had in my life took place on Tranquility


Yeah, even if that were true, I would still have omitted it. Wait, especially if that were true I would have left it out.

Also, good luck.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:20:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Neo Omni
Edited by: Neo Omni on 30/03/2011 13:01:22


My account is going back to sleep at the end of this month/March 2011. I fired it up for a month to see if anything had changed.

My main gripe is and always will be A LACK OF BALANCE BETWEEN CAREBEAR ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND PVP ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FEATURES.

This is an example of the utter BS in this game.


lol great so now it will be Nerf Orca whines for the next week.. Rolling Eyes

Learn game mechanics because if you fall for that, there is only one person to blame..and that person is YOU!

Neo Omni
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Neo Omni on 30/03/2011 13:27:34
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Neo Omni
Edited by: Neo Omni on 30/03/2011 13:01:22


My account is going back to sleep at the end of this month/March 2011. I fired it up for a month to see if anything had changed.

My main gripe is and always will be A LACK OF BALANCE BETWEEN CAREBEAR ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND PVP ACTIVITIES/ABILITIES AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FEATURES.

This is an example of the utter BS in this game.


lol great so now it will be Nerf Orca whines for the next week.. Rolling Eyes

Learn game mechanics because if you fall for that, there is only one person to blame..and that person is YOU!



Game mechanics follow no logic.

If someone steals from you (an aggressive act) you should be able to respond with an aggressive act without consequence. A one-on-one fight.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:31:00 - [8]
 

wtf, you can respond with no consequence. No sec hit, no concord, no problem. Even better YOU don't have to respond, which makes the fight on your terms.

SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Apart from the bot issue, his reasons for quitting were stupid. Things like engine trails, cyno special effect, etc. Duh!


Even tough for what for a non veteran player (or maybe you are?) might seem like small graphical things, for a player that has been around for a while it's the EVE we grew up in. There was nothing cooler then hearing "you are unable to warp because you're warp scrambled" when you enter structure, desperately trying to gtfo. There was nothing sexier then a massive capfleet cyno'ing in with the old cyno effect, it all added to the "EVE" we once knew.

Htrag is merely giving examples, off course the list is actually alot longer.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:24:00 - [10]
 

At least it shows they are actually interested why people leave instead of just saying "whatever", and use the information that people bother to submit to analyze where they are going. Better than just saying "**** you all, we're just going to do it this way and if you don't like it get the **** out".

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: SFShootme

Even tough for what for a non veteran player (or maybe you are?) might seem like small graphical things, for a player that has been around for a while it's the EVE we grew up in.


Sure, the Eve I grew up in (from beta 6) was pretty crappy graphically. I would sympathise with the guy if he quit due to gameplay issues, but his gripe seems to be that it's much harder to catch haulers at gates due to blockade runners. Boo hoo!

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
At least it shows they are actually interested why people leave instead of just saying "whatever", and use the information that people bother to submit to analyze where they are going. Better than just saying "**** you all, we're just going to do it this way and if you don't like it get the **** out".


I assume they ask such questions as conversation starters, not as fact finding.

quitter: "I left because pve was boring"
Snake Oil Salesman: "INCURSIONS BABY! pve is now exciting, try Eve, only $17 a month"
quitter: "Hey you know what I guess I will"

More plausible than:

quitter: "I left eve because you dumbed it down and refused to fix it"
Concerned Dev: "Sorry. Let me fix it up for you right now"
quitter: "Nicely done, I'll quit World of Tanks and come straight back"


In any situation, if I bet, I bet on cynical money grabbing. The beauty of cynicism is usually being right, and even if they demonstrate that you're in fact wrong, you're cynical enough to know they are lying.

SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:46:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: SFShootme

Even tough for what for a non veteran player (or maybe you are?) might seem like small graphical things, for a player that has been around for a while it's the EVE we grew up in.


Sure, the Eve I grew up in (from beta 6) was pretty crappy graphically. I would sympathise with the guy if he quit due to gameplay issues, but his gripe seems to be that it's much harder to catch haulers at gates due to blockade runners. Boo hoo!


So post with your beta 6 main?

Although i must say that cloaking haulers are pretty gay it is not even close to the essence of why people recently stop playing. Or maybe you haven't read the article?

Gripen
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:50:00 - [14]
 

I agree with everything guy in the blog wrote. (And our corp logo was also owned hard Laughing)

It's sad to see that the only way to be heard is to close your account. It may be even worse if all those mails were sent just to say "if you want you can reactivate anytime and get few free days".

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Barakkus
At least it shows they are actually interested why people leave instead of just saying "whatever", and use the information that people bother to submit to analyze where they are going. Better than just saying "**** you all, we're just going to do it this way and if you don't like it get the **** out".


I assume they ask such questions as conversation starters, not as fact finding.

quitter: "I left because pve was boring"
Snake Oil Salesman: "INCURSIONS BABY! pve is now exciting, try Eve, only $17 a month"
quitter: "Hey you know what I guess I will"

More plausible than:

quitter: "I left eve because you dumbed it down and refused to fix it"
Concerned Dev: "Sorry. Let me fix it up for you right now"
quitter: "Nicely done, I'll quit World of Tanks and come straight back"


In any situation, if I bet, I bet on cynical money grabbing. The beauty of cynicism is usually being right, and even if they demonstrate that you're in fact wrong, you're cynical enough to know they are lying.


No, it's more like asking so they can figure out how to make things work better for people in their overall direction of development, not just "o let me fix that for you"...no one does that, and it would be stupid to just do a whole bunch of **** off the cuff to get a handful of customers back. It's called market research.

Some companies take the stance of "**** you all" as seen with SOE and the NGE for Starwars Galaxies.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:53:00 - [16]
 

It's sad Htrag is gone. He's the only one in your dismal outfit that I actually considered a decent person and good player.

Can't say he's wrong about these things he has written though... because, well, he's not.


Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.31 08:58:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Barakkus
At least it shows they are actually interested why people leave instead of just saying "whatever", and use the information that people bother to submit to analyze where they are going. Better than just saying "**** you all, we're just going to do it this way and if you don't like it get the **** out".


I assume they ask such questions as conversation starters, not as fact finding.

quitter: "I left because pve was boring"
Snake Oil Salesman: "INCURSIONS BABY! pve is now exciting, try Eve, only $17 a month"
quitter: "Hey you know what I guess I will"

More plausible than:

quitter: "I left eve because you dumbed it down and refused to fix it"
Concerned Dev: "Sorry. Let me fix it up for you right now"
quitter: "Nicely done, I'll quit World of Tanks and come straight back"


In any situation, if I bet, I bet on cynical money grabbing. The beauty of cynicism is usually being right, and even if they demonstrate that you're in fact wrong, you're cynical enough to know they are lying.


No, it's more like asking so they can figure out how to make things work better for people in their overall direction of development, not just "o let me fix that for you"...no one does that, and it would be stupid to just do a whole bunch of **** off the cuff to get a handful of customers back. It's called market research.

Some companies take the stance of "**** you all" as seen with SOE and the NGE for Starwars Galaxies.


Why would they ask ex-players, when they have plenty of current players to ask, a whole CSM to ask and a whole forum they could ask?

They go to great lengths to rub our bellys and tell us they are listening, when we know full well the only time they actually listen is when a thread hits 30 pages a day, only then oh boy do they ever listen.
Suddenly I'm expected to believe my voice counts once I stop giving them money?

I'm afraid I am a bit too far gone in the university of life to believe that kind of fairy tale.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.31 09:44:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Why would they ask ex-players, when they have plenty of current players to ask, a whole CSM to ask and a whole forum they could ask?

They go to great lengths to rub our bellys and tell us they are listening, when we know full well the only time they actually listen is when a thread hits 30 pages a day, only then oh boy do they ever listen.
Suddenly I'm expected to believe my voice counts once I stop giving them money?

I'm afraid I am a bit too far gone in the university of life to believe that kind of fairy tale.

Hehe agreed upon that. If they were really interested in our opinions you'd expect they'd ask us, but they never do. I haven't seen or heard about a customer survey or poll by CCP in the history of EVE at all.

Anyway I must say that I'm curious about what's in the database with "why did you leave" surveys!

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.31 10:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: SFShootme

So post with your beta 6 main?


Beta 6 char doesn't have "this char was created in beta 6" stamped onto it. It's just a mid 2003 toon.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.03.31 10:28:00 - [20]
 

I remember a time when CCP actively engaged their players in the forums and even in the Help Channel.

That was a long time ago...

Brazero
Amarr
Noble House
Posted - 2011.03.31 11:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Apart from the bot issue, his reasons for quitting were stupid. Things like engine trails, cyno special effect, etc. Duh!


This !!!

Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
Posted - 2011.03.31 11:21:00 - [22]
 

Lost interest in reading the rest once I read this: "Some of the most fun Iíve had in my life took place on Tranquility."

Is your friend like 700lbs?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.31 11:54:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 31/03/2011 11:55:29
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I remember a time when CCP actively engaged their players in the forums and even in the Help Channel.

That was a long time ago...
well it gets quite hard to control help channel tbh, but you do have a point, specially on the forums bit.

it started to happen some time after the T20 incident. guess that shook CCP quite bad and they started to be more (too much if you ask me) careful on the forums.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:15:00 - [24]
 

I miss the old warp scrambler sound too! Thank you, Htrag, for taking the time to provide meaningful feedback!

All improvement is change, but not all change is improvement :(

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:30:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I remember a time when CCP actively engaged their players in the forums and even in the Help Channel.

That was a long time ago...


There's a good reason developers don't post on the forums much after a game has been out for a while, both here and other games...the second they say just "hello" you get threadnaughts about how "it's so wrong to be posting hello" and a billion other threads slamming them for no reason...

These forums aren't exactly conducive to constructive discussions, like most MMO forums, it's a cess pit of players acting like little kids trying to take cheap shots at the developers every chance they get. Anything meaningful or positive or constructive is rare.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:44:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I remember a time when CCP actively engaged their players in the forums and even in the Help Channel.

That was a long time ago...


There's a good reason developers don't post on the forums much after a game has been out for a while, both here and other games...the second they say just "hello" you get threadnaughts about how "it's so wrong to be posting hello" and a billion other threads slamming them for no reason...

These forums aren't exactly conducive to constructive discussions, like most MMO forums, it's a cess pit of players acting like little kids trying to take cheap shots at the developers every chance they get. Anything meaningful or positive or constructive is rare.
yeah that too. totally forgot how much of a big bunch of ****wads we becameEmbarassed

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:10:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I remember a time when CCP actively engaged their players in the forums and even in the Help Channel.

That was a long time ago...


There's a good reason developers don't post on the forums much after a game has been out for a while, both here and other games...the second they say just "hello" you get threadnaughts about how "it's so wrong to be posting hello" and a billion other threads slamming them for no reason...

These forums aren't exactly conducive to constructive discussions, like most MMO forums, it's a cess pit of players acting like little kids trying to take cheap shots at the developers every chance they get. Anything meaningful or positive or constructive is rare.
yeah that too. totally forgot how much of a big bunch of ****wads we becameEmbarassed


Is he still right.... even when demonstrably wrong?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:11:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Barakkus
There's a good reason developers don't post on the forums much after a game has been out for a while, both here and other games...the second they say just "hello" you get threadnaughts about how "it's so wrong to be posting hello" and a billion other threads slamming them for no reason...

These forums aren't exactly conducive to constructive discussions, like most MMO forums, it's a cess pit of players acting like little kids trying to take cheap shots at the developers every chance they get. Anything meaningful or positive or constructive is rare.
yeah that too. totally forgot how much of a big bunch of ****wads we becameEmbarassed


Is he still right.... even when demonstrably wrong?
I know I know, exceptions.

they did posted a bit more tho.

Ticarus Hellbrandt
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:15:00 - [29]
 

Never before has a tl:dr been more needed

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:23:00 - [30]
 

The majority of his complaints seem to stem from sound. WTF EVE has sound?!?!!

If he enjoyed the game as much as he said he has, quitting because his warp scrambler doesn't sound right is.. eh.. special.


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