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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:14:00 - [61]
 

I would like to think of myself as a ’hardcore’ solo EVE player. I have been playing for nearly 8 years now and never been part of a corporation of more than two-three people. I rarely to never do activities with these people even then.

So what is the trick? Actually it is just recently (by watching the fanfest presentations) I have come to the realization that EVE is not a game that I play; it is a hobby that I do. Sure, I play other computer games too but EVE is the only one that can truly be said to be my hobby. What makes it difference is the investment I have put into EVE while the other games a purely recreational.

This leads me to a phrase I just made up, though some philosopher has likely coined it before: "For something to have value for you, you need to invest in it."

My investment in EVE has been my COSMOS and epic arc guides, my documentation of worm hole space entities and my gathering of knowledge on booster production. All this gathered in the Lorebook of mine. These things (which essentially are outside the game) are what keep my interest in the game. I bet the people who write blogs or stories or arrange their own events (be it frigates races or fleet battles) know of this attachment too.

Btw. The phrase also applies to relationships between people.

Rita Zechs
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:19:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Wet Dreamer

I was just thinking today that I pay for 3 accounts that I mainly skill up without playing much.

I play STO with far more frequency than I play eve-online. I'm looking forward to Star Wars the Old Republic (or whatever the MMO's called) far more and with more excitement than running around in stations.

I guess that what I'm asking, is what have the devs done for PVE'rs and carebears lately? Why shouldn't I give my BPO's and my POS to my friends and let them play?

What do y'all think?



Quit. And make it very clear about the reasons you quit, it's about the only thing that can influence CCP as money talks a lot louder than words.

Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.31 12:56:00 - [63]
 

1. It's a game
2. You're very sad expecting it to be more than what it is
3. My girlfreind is beautiful and sometimes I get bored of sex with her
4. Life is like that
5. Go out more
6. Take a break
7. Don't cancel your account as you will regret it
8. Come back when you miss it.



Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:18:00 - [64]
 

Quote:
Why do I pay $45 for 3 accounts of a game that no longer caters to me?


Proper answer, CCP has never catered to YOU, get over yourself.

Enjoy the game, give CCP your input, if you don't like it anymore just leave.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:43:00 - [65]
 

Literally every single person who uses one or more alts fornicates with animals IRL. When the Devs do something more for the carebears I will literally assassinate them (in game.)

Just sayin'. Just JS'in.

Cool

PewPewLaser
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:06:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: PewPewLaser on 31/03/2011 14:07:14
Wait wait, You actually PAY for eve? and for THREE ACCOUNTS?. HAHAHA. You can literally take 100m isk and triple it in three hours on the market. Once you get up to 1bil you double it every 3 hours. All you need is a hauler alt (or a cargo fit EHP battleship if you have trouble with suicide ganks (IE jita -> amarr) I am shocked and apalled people actually pay for three accounts with real money. Pure ignorance and laziness on their parts. Getting more that one account on your CC means you are doing it wrong. You use extra accounts to get more money, not to lose IRL money. If that account cannot pay for itself dont even get it.

Cipher7
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:36:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Cipher7 on 31/03/2011 14:37:36

0.0 is carebear land.

The reason people don't leave hi-sec is because all they see around them is can flippers, scammers and assorted other scum. And they figure "If it's this hostile in hi-sec, 0.0 must be a sharktank." Just the opposite. Hisec is a scumpit. 0.0 is carebear land where you can relax, mine, drink your gin, watch tv surrounded by 3000 blues and lagblob fleets.

Basically when you see CCP "developing" 0.0 what they're actually doing is making it more liveable. I know this is all counter-intuitive.

We are taught that hisec is the "safer" place, lowsec is the pirate area, and 0.0 is for hardcore "rawr rip the meat off your bones" PvPers. In reality hisec is the only place left that "rawr rip the meat off your bones" PvPers can really operate. And they do this by using the wardec system as a form of piracy. Flipping cans to get victims. Ninja salvaging. Etc. This is how they get their daily dose of tears. Lowsec : FW gave non-psychopathic PvPers a good career option, as well as RP-PvP'ers. There is still "piracy" of course, but not in the same way as before and I feel good about the direction it's going.

0.0 is kind of weird right now, but it is still 100x more free and comfortable for regular everyday players than hi-sec. I'm living in hi-sec right now pursuing my interests, but let me tell you, this place makes me nervous. Every time I land on a gate in Rens, I think I am about to be suicide-ganked. I long for the deep waters of 0.0 to help me relax, but I need access to the markets here.

So if you are the type of player that wants to relax, mine, watch TV, not get hassled, etc. Do ALOT of research but join a 0.0 corp. There are quiet systems where you will not see anybody except your corp for WEEKS.

Also wormholes. Now granted, I don't know much about WH space, but it seems to me that if you want to live in seclusion and carebear your heart out, WH space is the place to be. I hear they got gas clouds where ppl are making billions.

Ultimately being able to enjoy eve comes down to : You must be willing to accept ship losses from time to time. You don't have to fight, but you will sometimes lose a ship. And it's no big deal. It's a mental thing, not a financial problem. Free your mind and accept ship loss as part of the game, you will be much happier overall.

Best of luck in Eve or STO or whatever.

C7

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:48:00 - [68]
 

Quote:

Proper answer, CCP has never catered to YOU, get over yourself.

Enjoy the game, give CCP your input, if you don't like it anymore just leave

Wet Dreamer
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:02:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Cipher7
Edited by: Cipher7 on 31/03/2011 14:37:36

0.0 is carebear land.

The reason people don't leave hi-sec is because all they see around them is can flippers, scammers and assorted other scum.

Best of luck in Eve or STO or whatever.

C7


Heya Cipher7,

I think you missed the part where I've lived in WH's and in 0.0. I've lost lots of ships by going out can flipping or from shooting someone who was can flipping me. I've lost them to well set-up ambushes and by being stupid. My alts have lost enough frigs that I went out and bought the BPO's because it was cheaper for me that way.

My main complaint is that CCP seems to want everyone to move to 0.0 based on their fanfest videos from last year. With that said, the majority of players stay in high sec. It seems that CCP has made a game where "Yarrr" is preferred action; however, it also seems that most people don't "yarrr" as much as CCP wants.

Currently, I don't feel like setting up ambushes or killing anyone. What I'm saying is that the game that CCP built is not the one being played by most people. My suggestion is that CCP HTFU, swallow some bitter pills, and roll with what the player base seems to want rather than what CCP seems to expect.

Oh, and kill the botters - I have a fairly simple solution to this problem which may or not work.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:29:00 - [70]
 

Quote:
Currently, I don't feel like setting up ambushes or killing anyone. What I'm saying is that the game that CCP built is not the one being played by most people


No one is saying that YOU have to PVP.
Just HTFU when someone PVP's YOU.

If you can live with that then have fun in EVE doing whatever you like just don't ask CCP to change the game to something that it isn't.

And it is the upmost of stupidity to, on the one hand complain about no new PVE content and then admit on the other, that you haven't even tried incursions.

HTFU or GTFO.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:42:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 31/03/2011 16:44:02
So you won't take any risks and the whine there is nothing to do?


Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:58:00 - [72]
 

There is plenty to do outside of highsec yet by your own admission you lack the testicular fortitude to leave high sec, your options are pretty clear and you either have to accept your lack of balls and put up with high sec or grow some balls and leave highsec and the third option is to quit and play something you enjoy more.

Harshness aside STO is a much better PvE game than EVE has ever been and there is no real competition PvE wise between the two so I can see why you prefer STO in that respect and I do keep an active STO sub myself for when I want to do some PvE and the new unique episode missions every few weeks are very cool, and it caters for solo players and to a lesser extant team PvE so its great if you only have an hour so to run a mission or want to settle down for an evening of group PVE

Its a shame about the clunky land combat and the almost non existent economy and the rather boring PvP but generally yeah you are much better off with STO for PvE gameplay.

Wet Dreamer
Posted - 2011.03.31 18:44:00 - [73]
 

Riedle1/Baltec:

Read above. You seem to be missing the point. I have done all that. I like to PVP. Eve is the only game that makes my heart race when I do fight someone else.

To bastardize Six Sigma, they should be putting their money where the majority of their players are. Since the majority are in high sec, they should be doing more for the players who are in high sec.

I can't remember Lady Balzac's correct name. :( STO PVE is fun becaues it's mostly action in a universe that I've loved prior to eve. The episodes are indeed fun. Wouldn't it be great if eve PVE was that immersive?

Eve is a game that I play when I'm reading or watching TV or even playing other games. It rarely has my full attention. It's not even really a game to me anymore. It's more like a meta game. It's what I do when I'm doing something else that also doesn't hold my full attention.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.03.31 18:50:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Wet Dreamer
Riedle1/Baltec:

Read above. You seem to be missing the point. I have done all that. I like to PVP. Eve is the only game that makes my heart race when I do fight someone else.

To bastardize Six Sigma, they should be putting their money where the majority of their players are. Since the majority are in high sec, they should be doing more for the players who are in high sec.

I can't remember Lady Balzac's correct name. :( STO PVE is fun becaues it's mostly action in a universe that I've loved prior to eve. The episodes are indeed fun. Wouldn't it be great if eve PVE was that immersive?

Eve is a game that I play when I'm reading or watching TV or even playing other games. It rarely has my full attention. It's not even really a game to me anymore. It's more like a meta game. It's what I do when I'm doing something else that also doesn't hold my full attention.


STO PVE is nowhere near as good as in eve once you have done all of the one time only missions which I blew though in less than a month.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Wet Dreamer
Riedle1/Baltec:

Read above. You seem to be missing the point. I have done all that. I like to PVP. Eve is the only game that makes my heart race when I do fight someone else.

To bastardize Six Sigma, they should be putting their money where the majority of their players are. Since the majority are in high sec, they should be doing more for the players who are in high sec.

I can't remember Lady Balzac's correct name. :( STO PVE is fun becaues it's mostly action in a universe that I've loved prior to eve. The episodes are indeed fun. Wouldn't it be great if eve PVE was that immersive?

Eve is a game that I play when I'm reading or watching TV or even playing other games. It rarely has my full attention. It's not even really a game to me anymore. It's more like a meta game. It's what I do when I'm doing something else that also doesn't hold my full attention.


Look, if I misunderstand what you are saying it is only because you keep changing what you are saying. You started off prattling about PVE content, then admitted you never even tried incursions which is the biggest PVE content expansion of EVE in quite some time. What exactly have the "PVP" people gotten that you are jealous of? I can't recall anything besides tweeks for quite a long time now. Maybe you have a different recollection.

Now you seem to be saying that EVE is not holding your attention. Well that is fair enough. If that is the case go play STO or whatever. I'm not here to convince you to stay. I'm here because you are creating a false dichotomy. You are saying that because there is PVP you can't have fun doing PVE. Or at least you were. It's not true and it has been demonstrated that the PVE content has been increasing quite a bit. I mean, PI then incursions back to back? If that doesn't make you happy then it looks like it's time for you to move on.

Another note - you mention Six Sigma and I assume you are talking about the 80/20 rule.
But you are making a mistake. You are assuming that the people in High sec are not interested in PVP. That is demonstrably not true. I would use the 80/20 backwards from how you are using it in this instance. Just because people live in High sec doesn't mean that they are averse to PVP. As well, there are a LOT of people in 0.0 who are carebears and have no interest in PVP.

From your constantly changing stance I can only assume that this is some sort of jealous rant that you think people in 0.0 make more ISK than you or something. That's all I am able to deduce. Feel free to articulate your position should that not be the case.

But please, just speak for yourself. You don't speak for anyone else.

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:19:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Wet Dreamer
Riedle1/Baltec:

Read above. You seem to be missing the point. I have done all that. I like to PVP. Eve is the only game that makes my heart race when I do fight someone else.

To bastardize Six Sigma, they should be putting their money where the majority of their players are. Since the majority are in high sec, they should be doing more for the players who are in high sec.

I can't remember Lady Balzac's correct name. :( STO PVE is fun becaues it's mostly action in a universe that I've loved prior to eve. The episodes are indeed fun. Wouldn't it be great if eve PVE was that immersive?

Eve is a game that I play when I'm reading or watching TV or even playing other games. It rarely has my full attention. It's not even really a game to me anymore. It's more like a meta game. It's what I do when I'm doing something else that also doesn't hold my full attention.


STO PVE is nowhere near as good as in eve once you have done all of the one time only missions which I blew though in less than a month.


You will be able to re-run missions soon and there are new episode missions added every two weeks or so, as the name implies they are like an episode of Star Trek and take about 90 mins so and some of them are actually pretty good. There is a new player generated mission feature coming soon which means a whole load of new content.

Sure STO is not as content rich as some MMOs but for £10 a month the subs not exactly expensive either and the PVE is definitely much better than EVEs with its more complicated mechanics and story based missions and even though its clunky the land combat definitely adds to the experience, its really much more immersive having land and space objectives.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:25:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Wet Dreamer
Are we getting L5 agents? Faster grind on faction / sec status for high sec?


So basically you just want stuff to be easier/more profitable in hi sec? This is your idea of "improving" pve game play?

Incursions - PvE
PI - PvE
System upgrades - PvE
New plexes - PvE
Incarna - Window dressing
Char creation - Window dressing

All the recent or soon to come expansions. What did pvpers get? A rocket buff thats been waited for for 2 years (which also effects PvE obv).

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:26:00 - [78]
 

op is a troll. fs. there's been hardly any pvp iteration in years. its all been pve and bear centric. noctis - pve. incursions - pve. tyrannis - pve. strat cruisers - pve. wh - pve.

the whole game is a bear fest with a run away economy and over 50% of the hulls and weapon systems redundant due to a failure to balance pvp for five frickin' years. and your whinging cos you want more pve? seriously?

oh well. soon you'll have CQ. where you can walk 50 feet and change your panties. maybe thats worth your $45 a month?

baltec1
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:29:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Lady Skank

You will be able to re-run missions soon and there are new episode missions added every two weeks or so, as the name implies they are like an episode of Star Trek and take about 90 mins so and some of them are actually pretty good. There is a new player generated mission feature coming soon which means a whole load of new content.

Sure STO is not as content rich as some MMOs but for £10 a month the subs not exactly expensive either and the PVE is definitely much better than EVEs with its more complicated mechanics and story based missions and even though its clunky the land combat definitely adds to the experience, its really much more immersive having land and space objectives.


I keep on comparing it to SWG (pre NGE) and eve. To me, the biggest drawback is the total lack of risk and after a while every mission just became the same as the last one and far too easy.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:35:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: baltec1

I keep on comparing it to SWG (pre NGE) and eve. To me, the biggest drawback is the total lack of risk and after a while every mission just became the same as the last one and far too easy.


sounds like all the pve in eve then. presumably STO's pve has less risk and given there's no apparent pvp aspect, he finds that more appealing and 'catering to his tastes'. basically typical geek fail hard who can't grasp not everyone wants to jerk off alone in an mmo.

move along!

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.03.31 20:05:00 - [81]
 

Biomassing a character is a lot of fun you should try it.

But first ... stuff ... can i have it ?

Wet Dreamer
Posted - 2011.03.31 20:33:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Biomassing a character is a lot of fun you should try it.

But first ... stuff ... can i have it ?


Uhm ... no.

Wet Dreamer
Posted - 2011.03.31 20:55:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Wet Dreamer on 31/03/2011 21:38:12
Nah, you guys are kind of missing it. And to the guy who said I changed my POV, I probably did.

I'm trying, poorly, to say a couple things. I have more fun chatting with my corpies than I do playing the game. Eve has gotten to be a step back from being an active game. I've plenty of ISK (no, you can't have it). I've had plenty of fun with PVP in high sec down to null sec. I've done quite a few mining ops in high down to null sec.

My other point is that since most people stay in high sec, CCP should be doing more things for those people (me). I found null sec to be boring and more safe than high sec. The twice weekly jump freighter run was the most exciting part of null. Hell, wormholes were more fun that null.

I look at the sov changes as being for PVP. Sansha are just sleepers in high sec (and null). I don't see new missions or new storylines. High sec has mainly been ignored or nerfed. I want some good PVE action, and I've had my ass handed to me by the Sanshas ( just like the sleepers handed it to me ).

It just seems to me that CCP wants everyone to migrate to null, and it's not happening. Since it's not happening, they should make high sec more fun OR make the transition to low easier on the average player.

I think I mentioned this earlier, but having Concord titan jump carebears from hs to some very rich asteroid fields to show these guys what they're missing. Hire people to fly CAP (combat air support) or do it themselves. This is just one idea that could help to shake up high sec and null.

I think CCP needs to understand that more customers in high sec need an easier transition to null. Personally, I'm already in both high sec and null sec. It's just that what CCP has done so far hasn't worked at all. They need to be as innovative in their approach to high sec as they are in their music videos telling me to HTFU.

Btw, this is my forum account. I only post to the forums from it (and he may be for sale soon).

Edited to add underlines.

Privateeralliance Sucks
Posted - 2011.04.01 13:48:00 - [84]
 

in contradiction to OPs statement.. I feel CCP caters exactly to my "needs"... good job CCP (i mean the icelandic game developing geniuses, working for a souless corporation)... good job guys :D

I pay u, u make having a computer less boring... job done

I reckon they cater exactly to the people who play, otherwise you wouldn't be playing it.

Also OP is being cleche, no1 cares.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.01 13:59:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Lost Greybeard on 01/04/2011 14:03:07
The last two expansions have been entirely carebear-oriented, wtf are you complaining about? PI, incursions... and the next expansion looks to be WiS, which has no PvP content whatsoever, apparently.

If anything, the PvPers are the ones being largely ignored by the devs.

EDIT: I pay for Eve (only one account, though) because (1) it actually entertains me, and that's worth 15$ a month in beer for the dev team and (2) 15$ is cheaper than the amount of time you have to waste buying plex in-game (10-15 hours minimum per account, time that could be spent putting isk into ship hulls for pvp).

Cheapo Hobo
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.01 13:59:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Cheapo Hobo on 01/04/2011 13:59:37
Gotta take the good things with the bad 'uns, if you know what I mean. It ain't all rosy and everyone doesn't like everything in the game. But it's still a darn good game! Smile

Yarton Killmore
Posted - 2011.04.01 14:26:00 - [87]
 

not gonna read the whole thread, just wanted to post to the op....

Leave... if your paying for 3 accounts and you dont want to play anymore then unsub and leave, dont think about it just do it. CCP is not going to change because a few people are unhappy.

also why would you keep paying $45 a month when your not happy?? thats just crazy...

you can always come back you know...

Bye!

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.04.01 15:06:00 - [88]
 

"no longer caters to me" from the title of this thread makes me think of a spoiled brat who feels entitled to everything and no one else matters. Just saying.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.04.01 15:38:00 - [89]
 

This reads to me like:

'I allways enjoyed bruce springsteen but lately i don't quite like his music and am more into rage against the machine.Should i still keep buying the boss's cd's or not?What do you think?'

Really if you are asking others why you should keep paying to play a game then i am amazed you still are paying and playing.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.04.01 16:03:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Wet Dreamer

What I'd really like is to have some high sec L5 agents for better datacore and drops. I'm just not having fun in null/low sec.


Eh, highsec L5 were removed due to being farmed as heck, they exist in low sec, go do it.


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