open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked The Mining profession. It's a waste of time.
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4

Author Topic

BlackSparrowHawk
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:47:00 - [31]
 

OP has a point thats been mentioned several times in the past. The great thing about eve is that theres so much to do. No pointing in dumbing down the game with just pve and pvp... may as well rename the game WOW in Space. I'm mostly plexing but if ever iwant a change of pace, something to do whilst hanging out on a lively chat channell i go mine.

Celestis VanBuuren
Posted - 2011.04.02 05:29:00 - [32]
 

Sigh...the sad thing is I doubt CCP will do anything about it. It takes them years to do anything. As someone said previously, this topic has been discussed to death. Well perhaps that is what's needed to get something done????

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.04.02 05:40:00 - [33]
 

If mining was a waste of time, then people wouldn't do it so much. That would drive up the ore prices, which would make mining worthwhile.

It doesn't matter what your limited view can see, it's a simple fact that somebody mines and they like doing that. If you don't like doing it then don't do it, just buy your minerals and pay the people who do it for you.

JitaBUGz TheGreat
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.04.02 05:55:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: JitaBUGz TheGreat on 02/04/2011 05:59:51
Edited by: JitaBUGz TheGreat on 02/04/2011 05:58:44
Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Ok. Im making this post because i'd like to hear some constructive feedback about your opinion on mining. I know that 3/4 of the replies will be from ******s calling me a carebear etc...since most people on here do nothing but troll and post useless ****. And yes, im posting from a noob alt.

With the price of megacyte, zydrine and morphite as low as it is, mining in 0.0 just doesnt seem viable anymore unless you have multiple hulk pilots. Why cant CCP crack down on the botters in empire and the drone lands to help bring the prices back up to a natural level...or change the mineral requirement for capitals?

Right now, as i see it, mining in 0.0 is just a fking waste of time.

/end rant


Remove 80% of mining in high sec. I hate mining, but I fund my ganker with it. And have to say Empire mining needs a huge nurf.

And yes my miner lives in Empire, and the odd wormhole. But coming from what I can do with it,(no risk-mega isk) I think mining, needs a huge revamp.

And so the new players can have a good source on income still, Any, convetor/hulk or the likes of them. In anything .7 or above. Concord the roid slayers!!!

About 80-90% of the miners i gank are afk/macro. So I get to come back and pop a doodle do there little pod!! (After the stupid 15 min timer of course Sad)

Triple the capitol ship costs!!!!!!!!!!! I need my isk's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Orca's in low or null only!!!!!!!!!!

YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.04.02 06:21:00 - [35]
 

Mining should be more fun. Efficient mining should be more interactive and require more brains. Mining should have more variety. Mining should..... oh well, who am I kidding, it's not going to change anyways.

mantis prime
Posted - 2011.04.02 07:39:00 - [36]
 

I'm just curious.

Since mining is a BOT haven and there is no stopping bots, ever, would it make more sense to release a HOW TO for botting?

A video on how to setup your very own botting program without paying a dime?

How many people would actually be interested in this instructional "not for profit" video?

In other words I will not charge you anything not even a penny, it would however open up botting to EVERYONE in the game. step by step....

Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
Posted - 2011.04.02 07:45:00 - [37]
 

Mining was awesome during my school days.


  1. Park in a belt.

  2. Turn lasers on.

  3. Start doing homework.

  4. Drag and drop a little box every 3 minutes.

  5. PROFIT!



Two billion ISK later, I graduated and found myself with enough money to buy some shiny new battleships!

Unfortunately I can't mine anymore since if I even dare to switch to a Navitas, the bot police tears down my door and holds me at gunpoint throughout my entire session. Sad

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 08:14:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2011 08:14:41
Mining is perhaps one of the lowest entry barrier professions and apparently the crappiest. It has a profit factor that few other professions do so well and that factor is why you won't see mining stopping anytime soon.

The factor is under your eyes, you just have to open them.

Arcathra
Minmatar
Technodyne Ltd.
Posted - 2011.04.02 08:17:00 - [39]
 

I don't think mining is worthless.

I'm a very dedicated miner by myself and the income is okay for me. Maybe because I'm not trying to fund PLEX for 6 Accounts through mining.
Mining in 0.0 and high-sec is very riskless (apart from the rare ganker ganking your ship) and for that, the payment is okay. With my Hulk I can make about 8-9 million ISK per hour, in a fleet about one million more and even more with Orca support. For me, as an high-sec and low-sec pilot, it is enough.
Looking at the mineral prices of ABC ores, a 0.0 miner should make about 2 to 3.5 more ISK per hour than me. That would be roughly 16-28 million ISK per hour. Sounds pretty neat I would say.

Of course there is more ISK lieing around in missions and anomalies, but that is okay. There is more risk involved and depending on the missions you get, the income may not be steady. I guess I could make 1.5 to 3 times the money in level 4 missions per hour, depending what ship I use and if flying alone or with a small fleet. I don't know about the 0.0 anomalies.

The point of mining is, that the minerals are needed to build new ships and modules. Because of this fact, it will always be worthwhile. I understand that there are people who don't like mining, it can sometimes be boring. Mostly not, because to get a good yield you have to use your survey scanner and pay attention to the cycles of your strip miners. If you don't afk mine, you will get better payment at the end.

Don't get me wrong, the payment could be better and the mineral prices may be better without the bots and without mission loot and drone compounds giving too many minerals. But it could be worse. My point is: if you don't like mining and only doing it for the ISK, than do something else that is more worthwhile for you. EVE is big and there are many more ISK sources.

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.04.02 08:34:00 - [40]
 

Mining makes me go a big rubbery one. I honestly have no idea why you guys do it. I would rather give up my middle toe than ever have to mine. I'm not even kidding... it's a worthless toe anyway. I scam the markets and camp for haulers. It's 2 hours of boredom punctuated by an iteron mk V detonation. Collect a months worth of that guys loot and set up the next gank. Fun in the suns. Ninja looting in Tama (ie looting and salvaging wrecks you didn't kill in a T2 destroyer w/ 6 salvagers, cloak, and all stabs low) will average you 50-200+ mil per hr. There are so many things you can do that pay better than mining... I don't even bother killing miners because it's just not worth it. I feel sorry for you all. Truly. It's heartbreaking to see people mine... it's like watching a ******ed guy beg for change. Yah I got 12 cents dude... go buy some ramen. Enjoy. Don't starve. It's just sad sad sad. Let the bots mine I guess is my stance on it. Sad

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.02 09:29:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Gogela
Mining makes me go a big rubbery one. I honestly have no idea why you guys do it. I would rather give up my middle toe than ever have to mine. I'm not even kidding... it's a worthless toe anyway. I scam the markets and camp for haulers. It's 2 hours of boredom punctuated by an iteron mk V detonation. Collect a months worth of that guys loot and set up the next gank. Fun in the suns. Ninja looting in Tama (ie looting and salvaging wrecks you didn't kill in a T2 destroyer w/ 6 salvagers, cloak, and all stabs low) will average you 50-200+ mil per hr. There are so many things you can do that pay better than mining... I don't even bother killing miners because it's just not worth it. I feel sorry for you all. Truly. It's heartbreaking to see people mine... it's like watching a ******ed guy beg for change. Yah I got 12 cents dude... go buy some ramen. Enjoy. Don't starve. It's just sad sad sad. Let the bots mine I guess is my stance on it. Sad


What you said is all true. But let me ask you this: if you surf the internet for upskirt pictures of Liz Hurley, or go and get another beer from the fridge, or go to do big jobbies, or decide to hoover your lounge, or straighten the painting of Queen Elizabeth, or take a phone call from Pope Benedict, or argue about the true aims of the Illuminati with conspiracy theorists on The Telegraph website, well, you'll probably miss that hauler coming through the gate.

Mining allows you to play the game without really paying any attention to it, and that is why I sometimes enjoy doing it.

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2011.04.02 11:14:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Right now, as i see it, mining in 0.0 is just a fking waste of time.
1. Mine where it isn't a waste of time.
2. Haul to wherever you need the mins.
3. ???
4.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:11:00 - [43]
 

1. They are working on the botters. Just because they don't make a new blog about every single account banned doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Whether they're doing enough is another story, given that most null empires are run by botters.

2. They could help mining out a lot by getting rid of all meta 0-2 loot from level 3, 4 and 5 missions. And don't replace it with metal scraps this time either. These are supposed to be the more powerful enemies, they wouldn't be using junk.

Celestis VanBuuren
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:16:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Right now, as i see it, mining in 0.0 is just a fking waste of time.
1. Mine where it isn't a waste of time.
2. Haul to wherever you need the mins.
3. ???
4.


I have access to arkanor. how is that not a waste of time? my point is...0.0 mining isn't as profitable as running havens/sanctums in a carrier. Empire mining is a different story because you can do it virtually afk. Not to mention the amount of bots out there. I would also like to know why the gm's don't do anything about those of us who provide very significant evidence about bots that we come across. I understand that people who use a mining alt to fund their pvp toon can get good revenue, but how much time do u spend doing it...even if it requires minimal attention? basically, if the botting was taken care of, mining would benefit all of us...at least those of us who actually sit at our pc playing eve, not letting a program do the work for us, in empire or 0.0.

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:26:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Right now, as i see it, mining in 0.0 is just a fking waste of time.
1. Mine where it isn't a waste of time.
2. Haul to wherever you need the mins.
3. ???
4.


I have access to arkanor. how is that not a waste of time? my point is...0.0 mining isn't as profitable as running havens/sanctums in a carrier. Empire mining is a different story because you can do it virtually afk. Not to mention the amount of bots out there. I would also like to know why the gm's don't do anything about those of us who provide very significant evidence about bots that we come across. I understand that people who use a mining alt to fund their pvp toon can get good revenue, but how much time do u spend doing it...even if it requires minimal attention? basically, if the botting was taken care of, mining would benefit all of us...at least those of us who actually sit at our pc playing eve, not letting a program do the work for us, in empire or 0.0.
I'm not sure how I can make it more clear to you...

Either you mine the minerals you want, where you want them, or you do something that produces more ISK and spend some of it on buying minerals and moving them to where you want them.

Mineral prices are balanced by supply and demand, if you think they are too cheap, you are wrong, because someone else thinks otherwise and won't stop selling cheap just because you are upset on the forum.

If you want the prices to rise, find a way to increase demand or decrease supply.

IoWalker
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:54:00 - [46]
 

It's quite obvious that CCP has had to accept the big account botting as part of the effort to stabilize prices in the market.

They kind of take a view to market manipulation as necessary for consistency in consumer products. If suddenly all bots went away, there would be very significant dislocation in the markets, then suddenly all these real players would be ****ed for a whole new reason. "WHY IS MY HURRICANE $400m?!1one! ???"

But what puzzles me about CCP sheltering these major bot programs, and even the individuals who also run them, is that do they have so very very little confidence in human beings to supply the market with what it needs? And not only that, let's say humans somehow fail to do that, THAT would be an interesting game!!!

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:53:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: QU0RRA
These multiboxers, love them or loathe them bring in extra revenue to CCP WITHIN the TOS and EULA, well those multis who do it all manually and not via synergy etc.

I would just like to correct an error in your post - Synergy isn't a botting tool. All it is is a software KVM-switch (keyboard/video/mouse - except no video in synergy), you can control only one PC at a time, much like you let go of PC1's mouse and moved PC2's mouse. It doesn't mirror, it doesn't macro, it just lets you move your mouse from screen 1 to screen 2, and applies your keyboard input to whatever screen your mouse is on.
It is a useful tool, in theory for people running EVE on multiple computers (I used to use it to browse forums on one crappy PC and run EVE on another), but it doesn't reduce the user input level in any way.
Please don't mix up good, benign tools with those that hurt the game. Do your research.

Steele Balz
Posted - 2011.04.02 17:37:00 - [48]
 

Originally by:
With the price of megacyte, zydrine and morphite as low as it is, mining in 0.0 just doesnt seem viable anymore unless you have multiple hulk pilots. Why cant CCP crack down on the botters in empire and the drone lands [/quote



lol last i checked the megacyte you mine in the a,b,c doesnt come from alloys if so very little found in the drone region ive seen first hand macro miners in tenal venal and so on 25+ hulks insta warp to pos ive also seen botting tengu's ravens and the like no need for a hauler alt in those regions
you want to ban macro miners mmkay open your map check development indices under industry look for the bright blue spots you'll see what im talking about

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:14:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
What you said is all true. But let me ask you this: if you surf the internet for upskirt pictures of Liz Hurley, or go and get another beer from the fridge, or go to do big jobbies, or decide to hoover your lounge, or straighten the painting of Queen Elizabeth, or take a phone call from Pope Benedict, or argue about the true aims of the Illuminati with conspiracy theorists on The Telegraph website, well, you'll probably miss that hauler coming through the gate.

Mining allows you to play the game without really paying any attention to it, and that is why I sometimes enjoy doing it.



I don't understand I guess... you were asking a question? ...but you're quite right... the Pope is a chatterbox and I always seem to set him off on some rant with my hedonistic ways. Many a hauler has escaped my camp for a chatty pope. Fair enough though... I can sure appreciate the need to play EvE Lite Wink If you enjoy it than have at it... you'll have nothing to worry about from me. Very Happy My heart goes out to you...

Centri Sixx
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:32:00 - [50]
 

Yeah, mining is pointless. The game evolved a completly different way than I assume the CCP devs planned. Being a miner or in a miner corp is putting yourself at a disadvantage in any PvP encounter, for something that makes less money than almost every other form of PvE in the game.

Unfortunately revamping it would have a huge potential to screw up EVE's economy, as it means also revamping minerals. So the status quo wil remain.

Kitty Cantblock
Caldari
Evil Monkey Asylum
Twisted Aggression
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:52:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Celestis VanBuuren
Ok. Im making this post because i'd like to hear some constructive feedback about your opinion on mining. I know that 3/4 of the replies will be from ******s calling me a carebear etc...since most people on here do nothing but troll and post useless ****. And yes, im posting from a noob alt.

With the price of megacyte, zydrine and morphite as low as it is, mining in 0.0 just doesnt seem viable anymore unless you have multiple hulk pilots. Why cant CCP crack down on the botters in empire and the drone lands to help bring the prices back up to a natural level...or change the mineral requirement for capitals?

Right now, as i see it, mining in 0.0 is just a fking waste of time.

/end rant


If you think being a HULK pilot with a hauler or Orca alt is not a good way to make ISk, ud be talking out your ass. I can make at least 150mil a week doing 4-5 hours mining a day.

If your not making decent amounts of money mining. Your not doing it right. Simple as that tbfh

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.04.02 20:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Kitty Cantblock
I can make at least 150mil a week doing 4-5 hours mining a day.


you can make 150m per week for 4-5 hours per day? And you find this to be a good income? Laughing

Khanya Trace
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:05:00 - [53]
 

The topic is all wrong, mining will always be profitable, because it is needed to produce everything.
The real problem are all the bots that throw so many minerals into the market, that it isnt profitable for everyone else.

Finally nuking all the botters instead of holding their hand and asking them once every 6 months to please stop cheating is the only way to solve this

IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:07:00 - [54]
 

It seems the hardest part about fixing the mining profession is the choice in direction. Which solution would give us the best result?

I don't think adjusting quantities is the right direction, nor nerfbatting the other professions. The more and more I look into it, the more I feel that the profession itself was created broken, and as the game grew it continued to get worse.

So in my honest opinion, I think that the old ideas (aside from banning RMTers) aren't going to get us anywhere in the long run, and we should go for a more revolutionary solution.

Maybe we should focus on belt arrangements? Something like making the most out of each solar system. After all, in some ways eve diminishes the vastness of a solar system with our tech(we can zip right through it at warp speed), but it should still *feel* large enough to get lost in; How much fun would that be right?

Ok maybe not. Sorry to derail, I thought I'd leave my thoughts, since you left us yours Very Happy

Khanya Trace
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:18:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
It seems the hardest part about fixing the mining profession is the choice in direction. Which solution would give us the best result?

I don't think adjusting quantities is the right direction, nor nerfbatting the other professions. The more and more I look into it, the more I feel that the profession itself was created broken, and as the game grew it continued to get worse.

So in my honest opinion, I think that the old ideas (aside from banning RMTers) aren't going to get us anywhere in the long run, and we should go for a more revolutionary solution.

Maybe we should focus on belt arrangements? Something like making the most out of each solar system. After all, in some ways eve diminishes the vastness of a solar system with our tech(we can zip right through it at warp speed), but it should still *feel* large enough to get lost in; How much fun would that be right?

Ok maybe not. Sorry to derail, I thought I'd leave my thoughts, since you left us yours Very Happy




you dont understand markets very well. Increasing mining gain in any way will not make mining any better, because there is now more ore, so it sells cheaper.
Decreasing pve combat isk will not change anything, because there is now less money in eve, so prices deflate, including ore prices.

Just reduce the amount o people that mine not caring how much money it makes them compared to more involved stuff (bots) and things are fixed.

Caghji
Posted - 2011.04.03 00:43:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb




Bots are a serious issue, but they are not the only problem with the mining profession. The entire mechanic needs to be re-thought from the ground up. I have seen many suggestions for doing this and I do not claim know the right one. Some have mentioned hiding all belts, so probing would be required to find them.

My ideal solution would be one that requires skill points, AND player skill to get significantly higher mining yields. Something like the current PI mechanic perhaps, where you had to target specific parts of a asteroid to get any results, or some other ACTIVE player involvement, other than target, activate laser, get ore. Maybe add tracking to mining lasers and make roids move.

I really don't claim to have the answer, but something along those lines would not only make botting much more difficult, but also add some entertainment value to the act of mining itself, and provide much more income to those who spent the time training and put work in to get good at their craft. (I am sure many of you would hate this type of idea as you can no longer mine and look at "Liz Hurley upskirt photos" but then again not paying attention to what you're doing should not be rewarded in my opinion.)

Of course this does not take care of other sources of minerals, but perhaps if balanced across the board very carefully.......never mind (I love you CCPVery Happy)

Just the opinion of a useless troll.

[Edit] They're/their/there




+1

Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.03 00:57:00 - [57]
 

Mining, as well as Research & Manufacturing, desperately needs to be more interactive.

Celestis VanBuuren
Posted - 2011.04.03 01:07:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Kitty Cantblock
If you think being a HULK pilot with a hauler or Orca alt is not a good way to make ISk, ud be talking out your ass. I can make at least 150mil a week doing 4-5 hours mining a day.


Ok...let me get this straight. Say your talking about a full week (7 days). If you mine 5 hrs each day thats 35 fking hours. And all you get is 150mil? I rest my case.

Maken Cheese
Posted - 2011.04.03 01:25:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Kitty Cantblock
If you think being a HULK pilot with a hauler or Orca alt is not a good way to make ISk, ud be talking out your ass. I can make at least 150mil a week doing 4-5 hours mining a day.

If your not making decent amounts of money mining. Your not doing it right. Simple as that tbfh


This made me laugh. Mining 4 hours a day, 7 days a week and getting 150 million leaves you at around 5 million isk per hour. By comparison, a highsec L4 runner can pull 70-80 million per hour with a decent lineup of missions.

Mining is a horrible investment. Even in nullsec, mining is crap compared to the money you can make running anoms, missions, and/or plexes.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.04.03 02:20:00 - [60]
 

Mining is currently a very AFK-friendly activity. Thus there are many people mining while AFK. It doesn't take a genius to realize that as long as mining produces any income at all, people will AFK mine with as many characters as they have access to.

You don't have to invent armies of bots to blame for the low prices of minerals, when the oversupply of minerals is easily enough explained by the number of "legitimate" players AFK mining because they believe that 2M ISK/hr is better than nothing.

If you have proof that someone is botting, you report them and gank their Hulk.


Pages: 1 [2] 3 4

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only