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DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:10:00 - [1]
 

See subject, CCP stated they would give more info at fanfest.

I was not able to attend the fanfest, so please enlighten me; what did they say?

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:20:00 - [2]
 

They talked about how you can paint your ship pink and add ***** decals to it. Also how you will be able to walk around a room and pick out your attire for each day of the week.

Thats about all I got out of it.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:30:00 - [3]
 

They mentioned a few things about how the client will start to monitor itself for outside interference and that players will get a streamline mechanism to report bots.

Nery Nebu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:57:00 - [4]
 

They talked alot about that topic, they even had a own Slot for just the security presentation.

There are now some serious guys hired by ccp in last fall.

One is a strict IT Security and the other is a specialist of programming anti virus and malware.

They said that bot, etc.. protections are already and will going into action the comming weeks. Also a direct report Bot Button will come, that will report to directly to the security department and not slow petitioning system.

They looked quite confident to already know hows using the bots which talk directly with eve servers.

Also a great thing regarding Account Security will be the new PIN Code Token that will be released in a few weeks.

Mick Oyen
Caldari
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:59:00 - [5]
 

Pin code token? I missed that talk on the stream. What doi they mean by a pin code token?

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:02:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 28/03/2011 09:03:38
Originally by: Mick Oyen
Pin code token? I missed that talk on the stream. What doi they mean by a pin code token?


A digital keyfob that generates a unique code specific to your account. It acts as a second level of security and has been employed in places like the banking industry for years. WoW have also had a similar system in place for quite some time.

Here are some examples of a security "token"

Security Tokens

Mick Oyen
Caldari
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:07:00 - [7]
 

so is this an code or something like a usb key or something?

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:08:00 - [8]
 

How is that token in any way related to botting though?

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:15:00 - [9]
 

the keys use a time based algorithm to generate a dynamic password that changes over time based on either a random key or your internal userID... the wow one you have to type in the key, tho some will interface with a client by just plugging it into USB. Same mechanism, one is just easier for the user.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
How is that token in any way related to botting though?

Nothing, it's more a security issue.

Vito Antonio
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:24:00 - [11]
 


Pandadora
Posted - 2011.03.28 10:19:00 - [12]
 

Please do an iPhone / Android app too.

Ya Rayah Panala
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:01:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ya Rayah Panala on 28/03/2011 18:01:20
Hi,

At the round tables, they said they were well aware of the botting problem associated with mining. BUT, on the other hand, and I see their point: if you remove them, we might have a mineral shortage. So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.

Best regards. (Souverainiste)

Ikserak tai
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala
Edited by: Ya Rayah Panala on 28/03/2011 18:01:20
Hi,

At the round tables, they said they were well aware of the botting problem associated with mining. BUT, on the other hand, and I see their point: if you remove them, we might have a mineral shortage. So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.

Best regards. (Souverainiste)


A mineral shortage would be followed by tens of thousands of hulks being dusted off and getting out to the belts. I expect most players have a decent mining capability but won't waste their time as there is no money in it.

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Pandadora
Please do an iPhone / Android app too.



yeah i have flexauth for android and works perfect with WoW(that i dont play anymore tho :P)

it looks like the same authenticator so i think flexauth may work as well with it.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:48:00 - [16]
 

If there's a mineral shortage, suddenly you have newer players able to make some isk by getting greater value out of it. You also have miners becoming fatter targets for the ore they're hauling.

It would be interesting enough to be worth seeing unfold.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Nery Nebu
They talked alot about that topic, they even had a own Slot for just the security presentation.

There are now some serious guys hired by ccp in last fall.

One is a strict IT Security and the other is a specialist of programming anti virus and malware.
Really? Great news!

Canīt wait to watch that blog on the Youtube chan.

So this will probably mean that account sharing will be actually "shown by the logs"? Niiice. Great indirect supercap nerf. Twisted Evil

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala
So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.

Best regards. (Souverainiste)


WTF! That almost sounds like an open invitation to use bots. What kind of f***ed up drugs are they on?

I've wasted almost 7 years manually mining, I need to get me a bot.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:01:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Vincent Athena on 28/03/2011 19:04:54
Originally by: Furb Killer
How is that token in any way related to botting though?


CCP Sreggs said (in his phishing blog) they have decompiled bot programs and found said many botting programs steal account info, and the bot writers can then hack accounts.

But not if they do not have your token.

Edit: CCP Sreegs presentation at FanFest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gZm-85JOs

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:09:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Edited by: Vincent Athena on 28/03/2011 19:04:54
Originally by: Furb Killer
How is that token in any way related to botting though?


CCP Sreggs said (in his phishing blog) they have decompiled bot programs and found said many botting programs steal account info, and the bot writers can then hack accounts.

But not if they do not have your token.

Edit: CCP Sreegs presentation at FanFest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gZm-85JOs


so CCP introduces this token to protect botters from account theft?

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
[WoW have also had a similar system in place for quite some time.

hum i heard lots of stories about wow player being hacked and unable to get back to their account cause the hacker added an authentificator to their account... don't seems really good to me :P

Amras Arnatuile
Gallente
Element 115.
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:19:00 - [22]
 

How would this security usb token work for someone like myself who has 7 seperate paying accounts? Would I need to have 7 seperate usb sticks plugged into my comp in order to run my accounts simultaneously?

Delve Tarragon
High Power Electric Propulsion Labs
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:22:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala
Edited by: Ya Rayah Panala on 28/03/2011 18:01:20
Hi,

At the round tables, they said they were well aware of the botting problem associated with mining. BUT, on the other hand, and I see their point: if you remove them, we might have a mineral shortage. So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.

Best regards. (Souverainiste)


Just like countries need to bail out banks, have CCP bail out the mining market. Slowly and using controlled injections to deflate or infalte the cost so that the impact is not substantial.

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Amras Arnatuile
How would this security usb token work for someone like myself who has 7 seperate paying accounts? Would I need to have 7 seperate usb sticks plugged into my comp in order to run my accounts simultaneously?


10 Port USB Hub Very Happy

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:27:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 28/03/2011 20:00:12
Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala
So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.


Were you attending the same round table I was attending?

They have already started banning players using behavioral detection. On the morning of Fanfest they had banned several hundreds of users of a particular bot.

The only "hesitation" is to ensure that they are confident that what they are seeing is botting behavior first, rather than having to reinstate thousands of accounts by hand ;)

Originally by: Amras Arnatuile
How would this security usb token work for someone like myself who has 7 seperate paying accounts?


It is a key fob style authenticator. You press a button, it displays the current code that is valid for up to 30 seconds. You type that code into an extra field on the login page. The one authenticator can be associated with all your accounts.

The authenticator is protection against account theft, and is unrelated to the war on bots.

Amras Arnatuile
Gallente
Element 115.
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:40:00 - [26]
 

Hurray to making mining usefull again. Lets make it worth while to spend 180+mil on a hulk hull. I would definately think about mining again if they made it worth while by getting rid of all the macro miners.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:55:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Amras Arnatuile
How would this security usb token work for someone like myself who has 7 seperate paying accounts? Would I need to have 7 seperate usb sticks plugged into my comp in order to run my accounts simultaneously?


One token can be used for all you accounts. Its not USB, does not plug in to your computer, it just gives you a one time password which you use to log in.

Every time you push the button on it, a random number is produced. That number is a function of time and the unique serial number on the back of the token. Once you tell the server what serial number is on your token, it knows what random number to expect at any given time.

And oddly, it does protect botters from hackers. A side effect of protecting us all from hackers. And thats a good thing as it denies bot writers a source of income, helping convince them to go away.

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:14:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 28/03/2011 20:14:38
Originally by: DeBingJos
See subject, CCP stated they would give more info at fanfest.

I was not able to attend the fanfest, so please enlighten me; what did they say?


How to protect botters' account from hackers (and you garrulous players)

Mr Trit
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:19:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Mr Trit on 28/03/2011 20:21:11
Originally by: Amras Arnatuile
How would this security usb token work for someone like myself who has 7 seperate paying accounts? Would I need to have 7 seperate usb sticks plugged into my comp in order to run my accounts simultaneously?


No, one token for all your accounts, but don't expect them to be usb.

Edit: should have read all the replies to your questions...

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala
Edited by: Ya Rayah Panala on 28/03/2011 18:01:20
Hi,

At the round tables, they said they were well aware of the botting problem associated with mining. BUT, on the other hand, and I see their point: if you remove them, we might have a mineral shortage. So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.

Best regards. (Souverainiste)


CCP could boost yield of strip miners any given time to counter this. It's not a reason why botting should be approved.


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