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Osiris Kalkoken
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:54:00 - [1]
 

Not sure if this the right place to post it, but -

Will DUST 514 be for PC? - A few people have told me that its going to be console only, but i'd like confirmation either way.


Kinda sucky if its console only :/

Strazdas Unstoppable
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:56:00 - [2]
 

well ccp said its going to be console only so i guess thats that.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:57:00 - [3]
 

Console only.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:58:00 - [4]
 

Console only, repeatedly stated so by CCP in the past, everybody complained "why not PC too" and... it remained console only.
Besides, they want to have DUST be a single "world", so if they make a PC version, they'd have to either split it all in two (which they wouldn't want to do) or you'd have to integrate PC and console players on the same servers (which is not exactly easy on one hand, and on the other hand, PC players will generally dominate console players that rely on a game controller only).

So, really, console only.
You'd better believe it.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:00:00 - [5]
 

Or... if you have one of the many programs out there that allows you to run console games on your PC, then you can just use it for your PC.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:01:00 - [6]
 

It's going to be console only so no matter how bad it is we'll only have to suffer it for a month or two until the next big console shooter comes along. Console kiddies are the most ADHD of all gamers.

CCP would be better off just canceling its development and putting those resources into fixing Eve.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:02:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Or... if you have one of the many programs out there that allows you to run console games on your PC, then you can just use it for your PC.

ORLY?
Good sir, would you please point me in the right direction for a PS3 or an XBOX360 emulator ?
What you say, you can't ? But you just said that... oh, boy !
Last I checked, they barely managed to handle PS2, and not completely either.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:07:00 - [8]
 

PS3 are hard to find at the moment, mostly because of the panic with the recent litigation between Sony and Geohot.

Xbox and Xbox 360, takes a bit of searching, but they can be found.

They are full of bugs, and many times it takes some personal modifications to get a game to work.

However, the best ones aren't even emulators, but reprocessed versions of the console OS.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:08:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 26/03/2011 22:09:33
Originally by: Akita T
you'd have to integrate PC and console players on the same servers (which is not exactly easy on one hand,

saying that about the devs of the unique server of EVE is a bit ridiculous.
if there's only one company able to do that it must be CCP.
sure it's not exactly the same problem, but i'm sure they have the best experience on this subject.
and 1st thing ; it was said there were common communications channel / voice
i'm sure if they wanted to they would be able to find a solution here
Originally by: Akita T
and on the other hand, PC players will generally dominate console players that rely on a game controller only).

there's ways to fix this issue.
eve player want dust to be playable on pc
ccp financial interest is to have dust playable on pc
(way more potential customers, and technology is multi platform anyway)

Strazdas Unstoppable
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:11:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Strazdas Unstoppable on 26/03/2011 22:11:17
nwm

Osiris Kalkoken
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:14:00 - [11]
 

Well that really really sucks :/


Why are they doing that when there's a much bigger market on the PC for it?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:26:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2011 22:27:27
Originally by: Osiris Kalkoken
Why are they doing that when there's a much bigger market on the PC for it?

Because they already have a foot in the PC market with EVE itself.
They want a slice of the console pie now.
If console sales fail spectacularly, they can always port it to the PC later on.

Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Akita T
[...]PC players will generally dominate console players that rely on a game controller only[...]

there's ways to fix this issue[...]

There's really VERY LITTLE that can be done that's not completely hamfisted (and even that would not keep it evenly fair for various categories of potential players)... you know, other than forcing console players to plug in a mouse and keyboard, then offering full mouse+keyboard support in the console version of the game, in which case, yeah, it would be awesome.
However, do you really think CCP has enough pull to convince console users to start using a mouse and keyboard ?!?

P.S. Microsoft tried it. They gave up on the idea.

Lork Niffle
Gallente
External Hard Drive
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Osiris Kalkoken
Well that really really sucks :/
Why are they doing that when there's a much bigger market on the PC for it?


I think its shown that the PC market is about equal with each high end console with game released mutli-platform, mainly due to the fragmenting of OS' and hardware standards.

Also as previously said, since the game is entirely on 1 world, both console competeing together, it would mean that PC would ahve to either be split up due to mouse control (defeating teh point) or gimping PC players so much they won't buy it anyway (read: Shadowrun).

Console only is the only workable solution, it also means CCP are fully marketing to a brand new area.

Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:32:00 - [14]
 

Eventually Dust will be integrated into Eve. Think about the fact that Eve 2 will never be made and Eve will be worked on for many years to come. Consoles do not have that kind of lifespan and if CCP wants the all in one space simulator they will have to bring it into an all in one package.

Dust will be released for consoles only at first to bring in a new segment of the gaming market and then after the current gen of consoles are dead Dust will be brought into Eve.

Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:37:00 - [15]
 

That's the problem I foresee with Dust, too. Unless you're one of the four top shooters, games like this are a blip on the radar and sixty days after release, there's nobody to play with online.

For this to have longer lasting legs (that keep people playing for a year or two between releases), it will have to match whatever keeps pulling the COD/MW/Halo crowd back.

Console also means that they won't be approaching anything, visually, like they have presented in the trailers. Not on today's consoles, at least. Maybe the next generation will afford that, but developers are really fighting a lot of limitations and have been for awhile, now. If you're looking at Dust being a large scale experience, you can draw some parallels from the experience Zipper Interactive has had with MAG (a 256 player game). They have all sorts of ideas to expand on the game, but are always fighting severe memory limitations.

I think they could have greater appeal if they released on the PC, too. Also, if you can somehow play the game and have your actions contribute to your regular EVE character, then you might get a lot of existing-player cross-over. If not, then . . . I suspect most will play it for a couple weeks and go back to playing regular EVE full time.

I really dig the idea and the ambition. I'm just concerned that it's going to be a big waste of all sorts of resources only to have their first significant "failure" in the end and, maybe, not be willing to take big risks again.

Osiris Kalkoken
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Qordel
That's the problem I foresee with Dust, too. Unless you're one of the four top shooters, games like this are a blip on the radar and sixty days after release, there's nobody to play with online.

For this to have longer lasting legs (that keep people playing for a year or two between releases), it will have to match whatever keeps pulling the COD/MW/Halo crowd back.

Console also means that they won't be approaching anything, visually, like they have presented in the trailers. Not on today's consoles, at least. Maybe the next generation will afford that, but developers are really fighting a lot of limitations and have been for awhile, now. If you're looking at Dust being a large scale experience, you can draw some parallels from the experience Zipper Interactive has had with MAG (a 256 player game). They have all sorts of ideas to expand on the game, but are always fighting severe memory limitations.

I think they could have greater appeal if they released on the PC, too. Also, if you can somehow play the game and have your actions contribute to your regular EVE character, then you might get a lot of existing-player cross-over. If not, then . . . I suspect most will play it for a couple weeks and go back to playing regular EVE full time.

I really dig the idea and the ambition. I'm just concerned that it's going to be a big waste of all sorts of resources only to have their first significant "failure" in the end and, maybe, not be willing to take big risks again.


A really really good point - lets hope CCP see this.

Logan LaMort
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Qordel
That's the problem I foresee with Dust, too. Unless you're one of the four top shooters, games like this are a blip on the radar and sixty days after release, there's nobody to play with online.

For this to have longer lasting legs (that keep people playing for a year or two between releases), it will have to match whatever keeps pulling the COD/MW/Halo crowd back.

Console also means that they won't be approaching anything, visually, like they have presented in the trailers. Not on today's consoles, at least. Maybe the next generation will afford that, but developers are really fighting a lot of limitations and have been for awhile, now. If you're looking at Dust being a large scale experience, you can draw some parallels from the experience Zipper Interactive has had with MAG (a 256 player game). They have all sorts of ideas to expand on the game, but are always fighting severe memory limitations.

I think they could have greater appeal if they released on the PC, too. Also, if you can somehow play the game and have your actions contribute to your regular EVE character, then you might get a lot of existing-player cross-over. If not, then . . . I suspect most will play it for a couple weeks and go back to playing regular EVE full time.

I really dig the idea and the ambition. I'm just concerned that it's going to be a big waste of all sorts of resources only to have their first significant "failure" in the end and, maybe, not be willing to take big risks again.


If the game is fun, people will play it for a long time. There really isn't much difference between a console gamer and a pc gamer, you can flame me for that remark but it's true, I've been playing on both systems for a long time and I'll come across the amount of little ****s on xbox live as much as I'll find them in any generic FPS server on the PC. But the same goes for awesome players too.

No offence meant in that but my point is, we're all gamers, doesn't matter which platform. Reason CoD4 multiplayer is still being actively played on the PC and 360 is simply because it's a fun multiplayer experience (Well personal opinions vary but a lot of people do like it). Halo itself has a huge following simply because back in the day it was the most fun you could find online with a console, and they iterated on that in the next sequels.

We've all seen threadnaugts on these forums but trust me, during the Halo Reach multiplayer beta the amount of tears from vets over how much was changed and how much they still wanted the 'classic' Halo multiplayer experience from back in the early 2000, easily rivaled the things we cry about here.

So like I said, if Dust 514 is a kickass multiplayer experience, console gamers will easily play it for years to come, exactly for the same reason PC gamers still play multiplayer games now for years.

Fortunately CCP has designed it so if Dust does fail, it shouldn't affect EVE.

As for the visuals, in the first trailer and in the most recent Forever trailer. I'm 99% certain that was the Unreal engine churning away, no cgi... maybe some postprocess effects to pretty it up.
In the Forever trailer, for example, notice how the graphics change when the camera switches to the mercs on the ground, the textures are more pixelated and the effects such as fire and smoke are clipping. Visually that trailer looks a lot like Gears of War 2, pretty good graphics for a console, but a few tell tale signs that it's running on the Unreal engine (Just the Dust part of course).

Dust will probably be either 32 or 64 players, which honestly if you've played the Battlefield games, is more than enough and quite realistic for consoles too.

I am a PC gamer at heart but it really does make sense for CCP to broaden it's market. As for the life expectancy of consoles, I think 2015 is when we'll start seeing the next gen. That's still 4 years away... and besides, unlike EVE, there can always be a Dust sequel Laughing

Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:42:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Osiris Kalkoken
Well that really really sucks :/

Yeah it does. If it had PC support I'd probably be following it pretty closely. I've subed to at least one mmofps over two years (though they ruined it) and would really love to sub to another if one existed (like that game or most any sci-fi mmofps that's good). But I know better than to waste my time with any console only game, it'll die pretty quickly. The game may be good, if it is, but it'll die pretty fast.

Hroya
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:11:00 - [19]
 

Because when you get bombarded from space, any good captin would smash his console.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:14:00 - [20]
 

only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:14:00 - [21]
 

It's CCP's secret plan to release it on consoles AND PC to suprise us and make us happy.

No I'm just joking. CCP sux :)

Ische Qou
Amarr
Ische Shipbuilding Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:24:00 - [22]
 

looking forward to orbital bombardmenting and airstriking

Fumbleface
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.
I agree.

Ya Rayah Panala
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:39:00 - [24]
 

Hi,

I beg to differ. I am proud to say I NEVER used ANY hack in ANY game I've ever played, and I consider myself to be a long time gamer (since bf1942), but I just can't play console. I can perfectly play racing games, but I'm bad when it comes to using a stick to play an FPS game. I am way better with a mouse, and the graphics are better on the computer. So seeing Dust as a console and PC game could be nice.

Best regards.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:46:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.

Also, people that don't own any consoles and don't plan to buy one just to play one single game.

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:46:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.

Or people who don't have or want a Playstation or Xbox, and certainly aren't going to buy one for one game.

Seriously, there are people out there who'd at least think about playing it, if it weren't tied exclusively to systems they have no interest in.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:49:00 - [27]
 

Those people.... this game isn't aimed at.

CCP has a share of the PC gamer market, they want to wiggle into consoles.

Easy as that. I know I'll be purchasing a console strictly so I can partake in Dust. I have no other desire for a console. Just because you won't, don't mean no one will.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:05:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.


It's more about using a mouse instead of some silly little knob for aiming. Watching vids of people playing FPS games on consoles is painful.

Aside from that, PC games tend to be based on current generation hardware, whereas the XBOX is what, 7 years old?

Idami Raptor
Gallente
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Awesome Possum
only kiddies that want to use aimbot/wallhacks cry for FPS to be on PC.


It's more about using a mouse instead of some silly little knob for aiming. Watching vids of people playing FPS games on consoles is painful.

Aside from that, PC games tend to be based on current generation hardware, whereas the XBOX is what, 7 years old?


Yeah, I think we're about due for a new gen. They seem to like to go in cycles of 4-6 years, as I recall. 360's at 5, PS3 and the Wii are at 4.

And yes, trying to play shooters with those stupid thumbsticks is awful. Granted if I'm honest the last console shooter I really played was Perfect Dark. Done some call of duty with my cousin at christmas, and god, it takes me a half hour plus just to get off to doing halfway okay, and all day doesn't get me to 'good'. Get World at War on my PC as a surprise drop from my grandfather (who couldn't get it to run due to vidcard not having enough oomph and power supply not either!), and I'm pounding through on max difficulty without so much as slowing down.

Controllers are good for some things, shooters are not one of them.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:24:00 - [30]
 

I really do hope CCP holds off for PS4 and XB720. If they release it for the current generation, its going to flop due to the new generation of consoles. Look what happened to the MMO's on PS2. They came out right near the end of the PS2's life cycle and completely flopped.


Also, yes please my god bring it to the PC! I dont care if its a year late or something, but omg bring it for the PC! i am one of those *******s who never play FPS on a console due to the mouse/keyboard superiority.


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