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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.26 14:37:00 - [1]
 

If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change.

Razzor Death
Gallente
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 14:40:00 - [2]
 

I don't know how to break this to you buddy but CCP are literally **** and every change they make to 0.0 only ever further demonstrates how out of touch with the game they are. If this angers you I would advise you play another game otherwise enjoy your heart attack at 40 years of age.


Razzor Death
Gallente
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 14:43:00 - [3]
 

GAIS GAIS

lvl 4 high quality agents all over high sec everywhere !

and whilst we are at it lets r@pe 0.0 plexing.

Who do you think they are trying to make happy ?


Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.26 14:44:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Ace Frehley on 26/03/2011 14:44:48
Fix moongoo and Jumpbridges and it will be perfect, samllscale "warfear" back and lots or hamsters survive. Gogo CCp Very Happy

Ed Rush
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.03.26 15:35:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20
but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!


CCP Teemu Vilen the guy from Sulake Habbo Hotel involved in making the station walking in eve online:

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Kimsemus
Amarr
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.26 15:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ed Rush
Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20
but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!


CCP Teemu Vilen the guy from Sulake Habbo Hotel involved in making the station walking in eve online:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.



Hmmm, that in station screenshot with the Carbon engine looks amazing, can you leak some more for us? :D

Deja Thoris
Amarr
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.26 17:40:00 - [7]
 

Scared you will have to fight your masters for decent plexing?

Good change imo. The pets shouldn't earn as much as their glorious masters. This will put alliances like yours in your rightful place at the bottom of the long drop.

g0ldfinger07
Amarr
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.03.26 17:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
Edited by: Ace Frehley on 26/03/2011 14:44:48
Fix moongoo and Jumpbridges and it will be perfect, samllscale "warfear" back and lots or hamsters survive. Gogo CCp Very Happy


And get rid of all the anoms all together because the tears are delicious and anoms are teh g**.

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.26 17:45:00 - [9]
 

I would like to remind you that Pandemic Legion still has systems and stations in Delve for sale. As you might know, Delve has excellent truesec and will be perfect for corporations and alliances to make a living out of cosmic anomalies and belt ratting once these changes go live.

Contact Elise Randolph, Fintroll or MissBolyai for more information.

Elektrea
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.26 17:52:00 - [10]
 

oh god, all the baaaaaaaaaaaws in this thread.

Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr
Jewberg Trade Federation and Bank
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:31:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sephiroth CloneVII on 26/03/2011 18:32:13
* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
* In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
* Coalitions will be marginally less stable
* Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)

CCP doesn't like NC, and wants it to start shooting itself.

Though as to if goals will happen, I have my doubts. But I do find it off they are nerfing parts of null sec, shouldn't the rewards be greater to make it so a major income or resource exists other then moon mining.

I would think it be better if in the suckest null sec (upgrade) system can have the highest anominalys, and the lower true sec more common signatures appear, and better ones. So don't nerf the low null sec, just boast the rest of it depending on true sec rating, and maybe have more variety in quality for fun?

If little, and diminishing rewards exists for null sec that is likely to be more over looked by established alliances, it wont help new people try to move in. The reward has to match the cost of setting up things, and fighting to hold the space.

Delinquent00
Amarr
The Suicide Express
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:04:00 - [12]
 

I think more and more NC are starting to hate themselves. When will they realize they are so hated? ;p

Farham
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:20:00 - [13]
 




I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.

Laughing

SirJoJo
Gallente
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:28:00 - [14]
 

Crosspost, now go away the changes are good, and stop whining and attack and get some better space for yourself

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Hey everyone,


It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.

We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.

Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week
-Greyscale





Now plzz dont listen to the large immense of whine coming form people living in rather useless 0.0 space in there opinion. now the space is not useless, its just not as good as all the other 0.0 space and it shouldent, eve is about conflict and space, now whit all space being the same it makes less reason for conflicts, and thats a bad bad thing for eve.

whit the introduction of anomolies old time belt ratting was made practically useless compared to anomolies and you could now upgrade any space to have the best anomolies so whit that all the conflict evolving around the space in 0.0 pretty much stopped happening, we want conflicts in eve and we want them all over the space between all sizes of alliances as it is now theres pretty much only 2 entitys in eve creating a conflict one being PL and the other the DRF whit there geminate assault,


atm eve is from fountain to geminate one big happy party and that can only happen because there no conflict of interest happening, they all have the same value of space and they a are all happy, and its pretty much the same in the south just not on such a big extend as in the north.

now imagine what would happen when eve wet back to well there 0.0 space thats good, decent , and worthless ppl would have to step up and react or they would have to live in crap space( well no so crap but it could be better)

These changes is some of the best ever introduced by CCP and first time in a million years you make the game harder for once, now DO IT, lets have a harder game for once and lets see some more conflict in this game instead of the 2 Multigazillion alliance conflict we have had for years,

o.o space shouldn't be all the same in fact there should be alot more difference in it,

Anomolies changes are good for EVE as a hole, make them happen and watch the game evolve around its space and not being one big we all happy cause we all have the same value space now,

whit the new anomolies changes its a end to lets put 3k members into this useless space and nap em, the 3k ppl would say no and most likely say give us some of the good space also or we will take it, CONFLICT AROUND SPACE!!!



gala gidas
Amarr
Parental Control
HELL4S
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:33:00 - [15]
 

Nothing is going to change for coalitions.After all its a small group controlling the many.Changing the assets-ISK making of the typical(ignorant)grunt wont change the way their masters make ISK,after all the grunt is doing what he is told and his opinion doesnt matter.I wont even mention pets since well...they are pets.
A change that might actually meant something is to change the way the leading groups are making ISK,thus changing the moon goo spawn area to other areas.I think its not viable to mess with the grunts,they are not the brightest players anyway,they ll grind anything for "gf's" anyway...

SOKOLO
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
WILD BOARS
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:34:00 - [16]
 

bull**** ,Nerf moonmining !!
a yes sorry great alliance dont that (NC,Goons.. and compagnies)
so . you will nerf all but you dont touch the moonminning you are GREAT

omgdutch2005
Gallente
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:43:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: omgdutch2005 on 26/03/2011 19:43:28
http://www.petitiononline.com/ieg2011/petition.html

stop the nerf now! vote now!

Mya ElleTerego
Amarr
The Hull Miners Union
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:07:00 - [18]
 

I think ccp is 100% right, nerf anoms in crap space, buff truesec sov space, and nerf moon goo and spread it out alot more, and increase the amount available drastically to lower costs of t2 ships and dramatically increase supply compared to demand. Also nerf coalition use of jump bridge networks and titans. Alliance / corp only, also I would like to see non corp / alliance cynos not work for titan bridging. To cut down on the meta gaming hot drop ***gotry that detracts from the game.

Armeggeda iscariah
Caldari
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:31:00 - [19]
 

* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec

this made me laugh Rolling Eyes

Kaeh
Minmatar
Saberick Interest and Development
FreiTek Heavy Industries
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:53:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Farham



I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.

Laughing


You talking about yourself?

Swren1
Gallente
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:59:00 - [21]
 

Sort Lag > Bring back old cyno > then make your **** changes CCP

Monkey M3n
Amarr
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:15:00 - [22]
 

dayum first CCP fixes lag now they're fixing 0.0. What will the fixed next

nc kids : umad?

Lise Kahel
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:28:00 - [23]
 

Talking about equilibriums; moon goo could use some balancing (or nerfing, whatever).

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:30:00 - [24]
 

Who cares eve is dying anyway Cool

ChYph3r
Minmatar
Multiplex Gaming
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Who cares eve is dying anyway Cool


im starting to agree with gumpy.....

PhantomTrojan
Gallente
Lords of the Shadows
E C L I P S E
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:30:00 - [26]
 

why dont they nerf lv 4 too, im currently doing missions because im earning around the same amounts of isk or more. they should nerf moon goo and buff anomalies.

Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr
Jewberg Trade Federation and Bank
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:33:00 - [27]
 

Don't listen to people who currently live in high true sec 0.0 systems, listen to corps anywhere else, who imagine that by making a coveted prize even worse to have it will somehow end up in their possession.

"ah, the null sec system we have eyed is so bad now that even renters will not take it, now we can take it spending hundreds of millions of isk to take it and... oh wait we can make more isk running level 4s never mind, stay course comrades, we shall continue to stake claim in this level 4 mission hub"

And I am sure NC is the only collection with blues on the map right, NCdot and evoke has no blues but their own alliance. Stainwagon shoots each other, red alliance and legion of death regularly get in brawls.

What I wonder, if one group of blues is too big by some arbitrators standards, I wonder how big is too big, is it more then one alliance, or 5? who makes the rules for player organization in a sandbox game, the sandbox organization counsel. No corp can be larger then 100, and can only have one other Allied corp, and guns auto target and randomly shot at anyone else to prevent any cooperation beyond that of the corp and one Allie?

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:53:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: ChYph3r
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Who cares eve is dying anyway Cool


im starting to agree with gumpy.....


Well at first i was actually being a little bit sarcastic, but then i checked the future of eve vid and the turret effects vid and it starts to look like that's going to be it for the coming years.... Sad

codex09
Minmatar
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:37:00 - [29]
 


IF CCP decide to move forward with this the chances are it will just cause even more of the older characters that live in 0.0 for plexes etc to go play something else. It may even drive whole corps to leave. (alliances also maybe?)(Does CCP care if they lose a heap of PAYING customers?)

The thing is CCP have shown for some time that their interest is truly else where & when things like this happen it just confirms this more & more. The game is after all 7+ years old now & what it started out wanting to do & be has changed. The new direction it is heading seems to be about making the game better for those who live within the boundaries of Highsec, & making it look all nice & shinny. (reduce the damn server lag, don't keep adding to the load with shinny crap thats good to look at but which does nothing to help when it comes to trying to have fun in a fleet battle)

0.0 residents are having many of their advantages listed for either nerf'ing or removal all together & that is adding to the ever growing list of reasons people don't want to continue out in 0.0. (Why are they wanting to get people out of 0.0?)

Anyway they will do what they want to do that has been proven before & like some have said IF people don't like it there are always other options...WinkRolling EyesShocked

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:48:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: codex09
(Why are they wanting to get people out of 0.0?)


Obviously they want current blues to fight against each other for their trusec systems, although you can make more isk/hr doing Level 4's than running Sanctums vOv


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