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Christina Yim
Posted - 2011.03.26 00:08:00 - [1]
 

So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space.

Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about.

Surely there are more options than this, right?

Deflourer
Posted - 2011.03.26 00:52:00 - [2]
 

if u dislike pvp and pve, why don't u play Tetris? i can guarantee nobody will bother ya there!

DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.26 00:59:00 - [3]
 

CCP has stated before that nonconsensual pvp is an intended feature of the game.

As for avoiding being wardecced, there's no way to actually prevent a war unless your in an NPC corp. But there are lots of ways you can scare off / avoid attackers... here's some ideas :d

1. Don't give them the kills they desire. They will get bored eventually (this method sucks for you too though :<)
2. Form an alliance with / invite to your alliance / hire a PvP or Merc corp to help protect you. If your getting wardecced that often then you might be able to setup something where you provide discounted ships / modules or pay your pvp pilots per kill (you can mine and they can get paid to pvp :D)
3. Move to a wormhole if your careful about it you can stay nearly invisible to others (though if they find your entry you best be prepared)
4. Pay off the attackers to leave you alone, or attack someone you don't like.
5. L2PVP and fight back :)

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.03.26 01:34:00 - [4]
 

Good day, Christina Yim:

Since eve has no morality, and given the depravity of humans, there is no such thing as "innocent corporations"

The Eve Universe is meant for confrontation. Your choice is to either handle it or run.

I've seen mainly pve corporations handle it well, either by hiring mercenaries to fight the war for you, learning how to fight, or learning how to avoid the war targets.

Thank you.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.03.26 01:42:00 - [5]
 

You do realize that EVE is fundamentally a PvP game, right?

Generally grief corps are looking for easy killmails and tears, so don't provide either and they'll quickly move along.

You can also create or join an alliance, as the wardec cost is higher (50m for alliance vs. 2m for a corp) it may deter the random wardec.

Fuyuki Hinako
Posted - 2011.03.26 01:52:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture


Unless you sell everything you manufacture to sell orders... you're already taking part in one form of PvP... albeit a market based version.

Abram Thrust
Dark-Force
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:27:00 - [7]
 

The alliance is a good idea, it won't turn away all wardecs, but it might stop a few.

another idea you could try to make the dec's you do get go away faster, would be to make an agreement with a local PvP capable alliance in your area.
something like "i provide you with ship hulls at cost and you destroy anyone who dec's me" would be nice and simple.


someone mentioned WH space... that can be a total double edged sword, you could go months without someone stumbling across your little industrial paradise... but if the right person does find it, you could very well loose everything without warning.

your call :)

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:53:00 - [8]
 

Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is.

Grodin
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:42:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is.


hay now i think that its the 14 year olds and the skinny pimpley faced ones that war dec us fat guys are layed back

Reddx Panther
Posted - 2011.03.27 21:12:00 - [10]
 

Market in Eve is PVP, you're fighting for profits against other players. Without people mass-destroying each others ships, there would be almost no demand. The (emotional) value of many in-game items is bound to the fact that you can get griefed out of them any time. Long live the grief!

If you're using the game mechanics to your advantage, it will be very difficult for a wardec to destroy any of your assets. If you're not into pewpew, at least get friends that are into pewpew.




admiral fovios
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.03.29 00:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Abram Thrust
someone mentioned WH space... but if the right person does find it, you could very well loose everything without warning.



A person you know intimately was exceptionally upset when I loosed everything in their wormhole space without warning.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.03.29 01:42:00 - [12]
 

The most surefire way in EVE to avoid conflict is to stay off the radar. No matter what all these other people might spout about the philosophy of conflict and the universe of EVE, if you're an uninteresting target, people won't wardec you. If you look like you don't make much money and won't put any ships out during a wardec (it doesn't matter what the truth of these matters is - merely what others perceive to be true), anyone interested in a hi-sec wardec will go and pick a more interesting target - one more likely to fight (or at least present targets) and more likely to lose money or enjoyment due to the wardec. Keep your corporation small, do your work in out-of-the-way systems at least a couple of jumps away from any major trade hub or highway, don't talk in local or post on the forums if you can avoid it. Move your goods to trade hubs at quiet moments and don't talk with anyone there.

If you make an active (but not obviously active) effort to seem uninteresting, you will get very few wardecs indeed. I'm not saying you'll get none, but certainly you'll minimise them.

Dani Nardieu
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.29 05:59:00 - [13]
 

You can set up a chat channel for your corp to stay in touch and leave for a NPC corp while the wardec last and come back afterward.
As an individual you can corp jump from one corp to another as many times as you want.
You can create and disband multiple corporations in a row if you don't have any PoSes.
You can join an alliance to increase base wardec cost from 2 mil/week to 50 million/week.
You can leave an alliance as a corp if it's wardeced.
If you are filthy rich industrialists you can self-declare wars with an alt corp to increase wardec costs further until some pvp nobodies can't compete.
You can set up multiple "bases" and jump clone around and have the enemy need to track and chase you around each day.
You can pay mercenaries to wardec those people back.
You can train an alt and play on that while the wardec lasts.
You can find out where your enemy is based and have one character sit logged in all day in their station.
You can make neutral alts to scout, suicide gank, bump your attackers and remote rep your own ships.
You can smack talk them in local.

All these are valid tactics although some will be considered "dishonourable" by your griefers (lmao).

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:58:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
How can one avoid having war declared on themselves?

Grow some balls? Rolling Eyes

Diesel47
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:24:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day, Christina Yim:

Since eve has no morality, and given the depravity of humans, there is no such thing as "innocent corporations"

The Eve Universe is meant for confrontation. Your choice is to either handle it or run.

I've seen mainly pve corporations handle it well, either by hiring mercenaries to fight the war for you, learning how to fight, or learning how to avoid the war targets.

Thank you.



Enough of the e-philosophy crap.


People wardec your corp Yim.. Because it is fun.

Eve is a PVP oriented game. If all you want to do is mine and build then you should go play minecraft.. But I hear that game has NPC monsters too so I guess you are out of luck.

Legolas Greenleaf
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space


5/10

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:35:00 - [17]
 

Best advice i have ever get for situations like this are: Get Organised.

Industrialist can learn pvp basic´s just as easy as everyone else. Not to mention as industrialist you can stockup for future wardecks cheaper then someone not doing industry.

Griefers will soon move on when you learn not to be easy target. Frigates are cheap and can do nasty things. Expecially when there large variety of these in fleet so not everyone is doing just DPS. Add some E-war in mixture and your griefers will soon run for easyer targets.

Do postmortem aftert engagement to learn, what you did well, what went bad, etc...

Vorphalak
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.03.29 14:00:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Vorphalak on 29/03/2011 14:00:49
Originally by: Christina Yim
Surely there are more options than this, right?

If you only mine and produce, you must be filthy rich by now...I'm sure we could come to an agreement. Wink
Your problem's solution

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:23:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
How can one avoid having war declared on themselves?


First I would say, 'By not making posts like yours on the forums.' You have just announced that someone wardecking you will get the 'tears' they are looking for.

Why not embrace it. As an industrial corp, stockpile frigs, then go swarm your attackers. Will cost yu next to nothing and you never know.... you just might have fun.
Dont smack EVER... even if your frig swarm gets exploded.

Either that or dock up, dont give easy kills, move your operations to a different reagion for a while.


Jakes Daisho
Posted - 2011.03.29 17:14:00 - [20]
 

I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance.

Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all.

Kaaeliaa
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.03.29 17:46:00 - [21]
 

As someone who's avoiding wardecs by having an entire corp made up of cheaply fitted brick tank ships...easiest way to make sure you get left alone is just to make yourself a very low priority target.

It's sort of like car theft. If you drive a Ferrari and leave the doors unlocked and the keys on the seat when you go grocery shopping, even the lawful goods (yeah, I dropped D&D morality, deal with it) are going to be at least tempted. It's just a juicy target of opportunity. Similarly, fly around a Bhaalgorn or a faction and pirate module fit Tengu to do your missions and you're asking for trouble. Since you're a miner, if you get wardeced, just use Covetors for a couple of days until the aggressor realizes that it's not worth it and you're not going to give them satisfaction.


Mister Agreeable
Posted - 2011.03.29 18:08:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jakes Daisho
I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance.

Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all.


Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic?

Glitch Enat
Posted - 2011.03.30 01:02:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space.

Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about.

Surely there are more options than this, right?


lone manufacturing corporations dont survive long. I suggest finding PVP friends, and while they guarantee your safety from war dec's and you provide ships, modules, ammo, or such. mercs are always a good option, or just sit the war dec out, not too hard. Cool

OR

send me your money and items and quit eve YARRRR!!

Bronya Boga
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.30 01:24:00 - [24]
 

“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki

Disastro
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.30 02:43:00 - [25]
 

Eve Online is basically a pvp game with a few semi safe zones (high sec) for noobs to learn the game in with low risk. But even there a noob is not safe. Not completely. There are high sec mechanics that allow a new player to be aggressed (can flips etc) and a system that allows new players to experience pvp through war decs and faction war fare. Essentially, if you do not want to pvp at all under any circumstances then you chose the wrong game to play.

This is not to say that you cannot avoid pvp. You can. But why would you?

Bedlin
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:45:00 - [26]
 

Wow really? No one said it? Well if you leave....

<deep breath>
Can I have your stuff?

Abigail Jameson
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:16:00 - [27]
 

One way that I've learned in my indy corp, is to avoid doing things that involve out of station. WE were recently wardeced, and I hardly even noticed, as my corp was mostly station dwellers in the first place. The only thing that didn't happen was our weekly mining ops, and that we had to use an alt/courier contract to get our stuff moved around.

LS6
Posted - 2011.03.31 17:20:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE.

These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment.


1. Can I haz your stuffs?

2. Another option is to grow some (virtual) stones.

Nezir Sertan
Posted - 2011.04.01 10:34:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mister Agreeable
Originally by: Jakes Daisho
I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance.

Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all.


Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic?


Given how often E-Uni is wardecced (quite often) I would be pretty certain they aren't doing that.

Domo Frankunstein
Quiet.Storm
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.04.01 14:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Christina Yim
So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space.

Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about.

Surely there are more options than this, right?
I dont get players like you, you start playing a PVP oriented game (EVE) and all you do is mine? dont you feel you are totally wasting your time? the only reason to use industry is to make money to buy new combat ships, or make combat ships and modules urself.

So say you mine for 4 years and you have trillions of isk? so what? what are you gunna spend it on? more mining ships? what a complete waste of time! Rolling Eyes


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