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Fredrick Engly
RaVal Thyokill Industies Inc.
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.05.30 02:44:00 - [3481]
 

Way to **** up a good game.. Why bother having a feedback thread when it makes fuk all difference

Estelle McDeal
Posted - 2011.05.31 17:00:00 - [3482]
 

I fixed it for you CCP:


CCP Players are excited about your silence following the sanctum nerf patch.


Expected consequences


Some CCP employees will leave your corporation as they don´t want to go on looking extremly stupid.

In the longer run the law of nature says that the most ******ed will vanish anyway.

Newer employees will have an easier time coming up with working ideas.

Your corporation wallet will be marginally less stable until then.

CCP will have to choose more carefully what r.etarded and unfinished ideas they will implement, who they will pay to run the show and so on (low performers generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)


What´s next?

You are seeing this first, because it was an obvious mistake to empty out nullsec which is easy to remove.

Let us know if there are any other low performers in need of some love that you´d like to get kicked right out of the solar system and we will bring it to the top of your priorities.

Best regards

- No more excited Gayscales

zxsteel
Gallente
Darkness Of Absolution
Posted - 2011.06.01 05:12:00 - [3483]
 

Edited by: zxsteel on 01/06/2011 05:12:45
Hello, their! Was whole point of 0.0 is to have more then one accounts hehe.... last I checked plex's are good! for CCP and good for my wallet!

Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Minmatar
Society of lost Souls
Posted - 2011.06.01 15:31:00 - [3484]
 

Edited by: Atkyaz Dreadstalker on 01/06/2011 15:42:24
One thing I would like to say about this. Look at what has happened to other games where the developers pursued an game changing idea without considering the player base's opinion on it.

The developers at SOE were positive the introduction of the NGE in Star Wars Galaxies was the best thing for improving the game. make the game easier, let the little kiddies start the game as a jedi, etc.

The reality was it completely destroyed the game. It was not what the majority of players wanted and they lost 70-80% of the subscriptions in just a few months. players left. Huge player built cities turned into ghost towns. And no matter what changes and improvements they made after that most did not return. Many of those players myself included even refuse to buy/subscribe to any SOE game due to the complete lack of trust in the SOE development team. Not just for making such a big mistake, but refusing to acknowledge that it was a mistake. One bad decision not only destroyed a game that could have been one of the greatest games ever. But also severely damaged the company's credibility for any future games they develop.

If this change to Sovereignty mechanics is received as badly across the board as it is in this thread it could not only cost EVE 60-70% of its subscriptions but will severely gimp any future developments CCP pursues. Fix it ASAP before you lose the subs. because even if you fix it later once the players leave most will not come back. When the population of active players starts droping the amount of PVP drops even faster as it is harder to get the remaining PVPers together in the same area. the more the PVP drops the more players leave. A downward spiral that will continue until the game is only a shadow of what it once was.

I have quit many games with the intention of coming back once the developers got around to fixing a few things. But guess what. I never actually did return to any of them. EVERQUEST, EQOA, DAC, SWG, AOC, And a few others. And I had 3-4 accounts in most of them. 3 active accounts in EVE that may not be getting renewed when they expire over the next 3 months. Money to pay for subscriptions has never been an issue for me, but I will not pay for a game I do not enjoy playing. I am getting bored quickly.

If I do not soon find a new niche to fill my game time, and make it entertaining rather than a mindless grind running missions and mining, This game will be added to that list. Maybe I will try a FTP game until SWTOR comes out. I hear D&D is doing well since it went Free To Play. Only thing I can say for sure is I will not pay to play a game I do not find entertaining while I am playing. If it feels to much like work, well, I get paid to work, I do not pay for the privilege to work.

I was only in Null for a few months, I joined a small alliance, we worked hard helping a larger alliance capture some space and were rewarded with a few systems to call our own. It was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Then the new Sov mechanics were introduced and all that hard work went out the window. Our space we worked so hard for was now useless. I have moved back to high sec for now, but the things I used to enjoy doing in high sec seem boring after living in null for a few months. These changes have not helped small alliances get a foot hold in null. the changes have turned the space we were able to get into useless filler that is now only held by larger alliances looking to control the high sec pipe leading to their good space deeper into null.


Viperslayer1
Caldari
Dark Wolf Development
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.03 06:38:00 - [3485]
 

Congrats CCP Greyscale, I've bit my tongue and shrugged it off thinking that you all would come to realize that you are bleeding customers. But I'll post this anyways, It's funny how your customers aka us, have given you some idea's on how to improve the game, and yet you ignore us or respond something like "we haven't seen a good argument". Well neither have you. How can we post one, when you edit post that you don't like. I saw plenty of people who posted on your facebook on how crappy this was and then it was gone, poof magically dissapeared. You show video's about the sandbox where players dictate the outcome, well so far your screwing with it in a bad way. Your company doesn't even state really anything on the topic. I've heard some comments that the CSM's have made, and consider them idiots. Hey dumb a$$, you state that it doesn't effect alliances, you idiot who makes up the alliance, corp's and then players. If you effect the players, the players leave the corp, which in turn leave the alliance. As far as your grand plan of creating more conflict, the only conflict you've created is with your player base. I'm not angry I'm just happy that the $897.00 U.S. Dollars that I spend a year for your game will be better spent elsewhere. Cause like most your players, who are leaving or have left, know one wants to make this a full time job that they have to pay for. I've had more fun playing World of Tanks, constant pvp battles. So since I want to be like you, I don't give a $hit, peace!!!

Anistazana
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:46:00 - [3486]
 

Originally by: Viperslayer1
Congrats CCP Greyscale, I've bit my tongue and shrugged it off thinking that you all would come to realize that you are bleeding customers. But I'll post this anyways, It's funny how your customers aka us, have given you some idea's on how to improve the game, and yet you ignore us or respond something like "we haven't seen a good argument". Well neither have you. How can we post one, when you edit post that you don't like. I saw plenty of people who posted on your facebook on how crappy this was and then it was gone, poof magically dissapeared. You show video's about the sandbox where players dictate the outcome, well so far your screwing with it in a bad way. Your company doesn't even state really anything on the topic. I've heard some comments that the CSM's have made, and consider them idiots. Hey dumb a$$, you state that it doesn't effect alliances, you idiot who makes up the alliance, corp's and then players. If you effect the players, the players leave the corp, which in turn leave the alliance. As far as your grand plan of creating more conflict, the only conflict you've created is with your player base. I'm not angry I'm just happy that the $897.00 U.S. Dollars that I spend a year for your game will be better spent elsewhere. Cause like most your players, who are leaving or have left, know one wants to make this a full time job that they have to pay for. I've had more fun playing World of Tanks, constant pvp battles. So since I want to be like you, I don't give a $hit, peace!!!


can I haz ur stufs?

Cola Man
Posted - 2011.06.05 18:41:00 - [3487]
 

Originally by: Anistazana
can I haz ur stufs?


Another stupid geek, who can not leave the priceless virtual thingies and lives all day in that world. Laughing

Nabuch Sattva
Posted - 2011.06.07 19:35:00 - [3488]
 

Its been a while since the high end anomalies are gone from Pureblind where i live. Ive adjusted to new living conditions, Found a nice dry spot under a bridge, its pretty cheap, meals are the usual rats only now they are smaller and are hard to hit with my 425's.

One thing i did think might backfire with these changes is that now whole swats of land are undesirable and the fight will be for the high end regions/constellations. So to me it makes the universe a bit less interesting, either get the best places or grind your ass to boredom.

I mean if you think about it shouldn't true sec be changed depending on the development index of a system, something similar to what it was before?

Or maybe something more interesting, The best rats could be where there is less development as they can build bigger bases. And the more developed spaces could have other goodies..

well, just a thought..

zxsteel
Gallente
Darkness Of Absolution
Posted - 2011.06.11 16:49:00 - [3489]
 

I think to help smaller alliances to get foot hold, to allow them to have one good system guard-less of system rating. Make them take 3 systems total, and give one of them option of fully upgradeable system.

Alundil
Gallente
Galactic Salvage Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:48:00 - [3490]
 

So how's this working out for everybody?

Funny that important, game altering, changes as the posts related to them get unstickied.

Can you hear us now?

Devil tiger
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:04:00 - [3491]
 

How silly of us to even think that CCP would give a ****... Le sigh.

The Newface
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:05:00 - [3492]
 

Give them a break, they worked hard comming up with new idea to get money.
Buy a monacle...

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.05 22:05:00 - [3493]
 

I wonder if CCP has noticed yet on their few recent changes that is suppose to improve the game and attract new players is ruining the game and less and less people are online and playing, canceled accounts etc. First this then then vanity items. Anymore good changes like this and I hate to see what would happen then.

Not sure who is making the decisions like this in CCP HQ, but replace him / her and listen to your player base.

Kahtah
Gallente
Black Star Decievers
Posted - 2011.07.07 18:14:00 - [3494]
 

So no new news on when/if this change is even being reconsideered yet?

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:28:00 - [3495]
 

Not that I've heard of yet, though if they want to see the amount of people online to start to go up again, this surely would be a good start to nerf the nerf on null sec.

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:52:00 - [3496]
 

Personally I am starting a letter campaign to the Prime Minister of Iceland requesting that CCP Greyscale be chemically castrated so that he can not further contaminate humanity. Zulu and Soundwave will also be gaining a letter campaign.

This may all prove to be a non-factor for as CCP dies they will become unemployed and will no longer have the salary necessary to rent a woman's affection. I highly doubt they are capable of gaining such a thing without a micro transaction.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:59:00 - [3497]
 

Originally by: Heavenly Blues
Personally I am starting a letter campaign to the Prime Minister of Iceland requesting that CCP Greyscale be chemically castrated so that he can not further contaminate humanity. Zulu and Soundwave will also be gaining a letter campaign.

This may all prove to be a non-factor for as CCP dies they will become unemployed and will no longer have the salary necessary to rent a woman's affection. I highly doubt they are capable of gaining such a thing without a micro transaction.


I sense a permaban coming.

As far as the changes go, good true sec systems with full upgrades are perfectly capable of handling many ratters. Or you can just go belt ratting or plexing. So sorry you have to put forth some effort now to make isk.

Fact is CCP recognized that the previous mechanics were breaking the game by opening a huge isk faucet. Faucet has now been closed down from a flash flood to a normal flow.

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:14:00 - [3498]
 

Originally by: Soldarius

I sense a permaban coming.

As far as the changes go, good true sec systems with full upgrades are perfectly capable of handling many ratters. Or you can just go belt ratting or plexing. So sorry you have to put forth some effort now to make isk.

Fact is CCP recognized that the previous mechanics were breaking the game by opening a huge isk faucet. Faucet has now been closed down from a flash flood to a normal flow.


A permaban means next to nothing. This account runs out in 5 days. I will not be giving CCP another cent as long as I live. To offer $68 virtual items in the midst of a global economic depression is distasteful and morally reprehensible. To make it even worse, the monocles look like total **** when applied to the character models. For that kind of dough you should have an artist spend the time to fit it to each avatar. You know, kind of like the eye doctor does for about the same price with real eye wear.

As far as :effort: to earn isk, that is beyond funny coming from a renter puke that didn't actually fight for your sov. You drafted in behind the NC cap fleet and now you squat on decent space. Your **** alliance couldn't even hold space in providence. You won't be in your current home much longer.

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.11 20:51:00 - [3499]
 

It takes a lot of ISK to fund a alliance level campaign for Sov warfare in 0.0. at both personal and corp / alliance. I can understand on making incentives to generate more warfare, but making it longer to get the ISK up to do it, kinda defeats the purpose. Especially for them alliances that not have all the good tech moons, they rely heavily on taxes from their pilots ratting / anons.

Maybe a system where for each system an alliance conquers, that said alliance gets a reward, like alliance level LP or such. Has to be conquered to,. not just picked up, transfered or such, but conquered. Nerf the Nerf so easier for pilots, corps and alliances to make ISK to fund the warfare.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.16 17:49:00 - [3500]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Expected consequences

  1. Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space

  2. In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals

  3. Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec

  4. Coalitions will be marginally less stable

  5. Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)


What is CCP's current assessment of Null-Sec pertaining to the anomaly changes? What data points are being used to make the assessment? And have CCP's goals been met?

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:03:00 - [3501]
 

Also I've been noticing a lot less people online then normal. Think they need to look at the numbers they used to make decisions like this to make Eve better and throw them out and come up with other ones. Cause it surely isn't working.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:40:00 - [3502]
 

Originally by: Heavenly Blues
...kind of like the eye doctor does for about the same price with real eye wear.

As far as :effort: to earn isk, that is beyond funny coming from a renter puke that didn't actually fight for your sov. You drafted in behind the NC cap fleet and now you squat on decent space. Your **** alliance couldn't even hold space in providence. You won't be in your current home much longer.


The hypocricy of your words leaves me somewhat agast. Went looking for your combat record. Found absolutely zilch. That earns you a big fat "post with your main or gtfo."

$68 for eyeglasses? Have you even priced actual eyewear? My gf sells prescription Maui Jims and such. Multiply that price by 5 just to start. Monocle =/= rl eyeglasses. Get a clue.

Wtf are you going on about Providence for? I've never even been there. What has it got to do with me or the anom changes if BDEAL was in Provi sometime in the past when I was not a part of it? Irrelevant and off-topic.

As far as the Cluster****'s current situation, [url=http://bdeal.org/killboard/?a=home&w=29&y=2011"]our killboard[/url] speaks for itself.

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.24 23:25:00 - [3503]
 

Wondering if we can get a official CCP comment on this threadnaught, with most in favor of unnerfing this change.? They have gotten quite a bit of feedback, so would be nice to get some CCP's feedback on it.

sakana
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:47:00 - [3504]
 

"and to give people running anomalies a little more safety from marauding enemies."


ha


Kelevana
Posted - 2011.08.02 20:48:00 - [3505]
 

As long as they watch local, is all the protection they need, if they want relative safety, go to high secVery Happy

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.02 21:58:00 - [3506]
 

In a surprising turn of events, now that 0.0 space is only worth 2-3 times on average what it was before Dominion, the mass exodus has not occurred.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:11:00 - [3507]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
In a surprising turn of events, now that 0.0 space is only worth 2-3 times on average what it was before Dominion, the mass exodus has not occurred.


systems are empty all over the place, renters are paying through the nose for the very few good systems and the pcu is way down on what it was.

it happened, just not everyone can see it. id bet ccp can though

Roland Knighthawk
Gallente
Nephite Rangers
Zero Hour Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.04 19:04:00 - [3508]
 

We're a lowsec Alliance and a couple of months ago we started to notice 0.0 Alliances showing up in our space, bringing their super caps with them.

We got to wondering "what's this all about?" ... well guess what? ... nerfing 0.0 has moved some of the smaller 0.0 guys to our space. Not a big deal, but we see more combat then we used to. could this spill over to hisec as well? Will it keep hisec corps from making the move to lowsec?

I'm guessing CCP didn't think about this at all.

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:40:00 - [3509]
 

Originally by: Roland Knighthawk
We're a lowsec Alliance and a couple of months ago we started to notice 0.0 Alliances showing up in our space, bringing their super caps with them.

We got to wondering "what's this all about?" ... well guess what? ... nerfing 0.0 has moved some of the smaller 0.0 guys to our space. Not a big deal, but we see more combat then we used to. could this spill over to hisec as well? Will it keep hisec corps from making the move to lowsec?

I'm guessing CCP didn't think about this at all.


Yes because, as we all know... caps and supercaps cyno into HS all the time. I'm guessing you didn't think about this at all.

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.05 22:04:00 - [3510]
 

When did he ever mention abut super caps in high sec? He is referring to all the 0.0 exodus corps / alliances that is going to low sec and high sec since most of 0.0 sucks again to make a decent living off of.

What they should do is unnerf 0.0 and nerf the moons. Give the ISK to the pilots, not to a few big alliances that now control most of the tech moons.


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