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Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.04.11 13:21:00 - [3181]
 

Edited by: Robert Caldera on 11/04/2011 13:21:47
Originally by: T Nips
bahhhhwwwww, no more easy isk


Being one of many d*ck sucking pets isn't rewarded anymore, that is just awesome.
How about getting better space? Either this or f*ck the hell off back to empire. Blobs are getting smaller in any case, an awesome change IMO.

Quincy Taggart
Posted - 2011.04.11 13:58:00 - [3182]
 

Originally by: T Nips
I'm just going to sound like a broken record here along with everyone else. WTF have you done CCP? If you seriously fail to comprehend why your educated guesses (I do hope this wasn't a thoughtful, meticulous computation on your part, because then your about smart as a 5th grader) to the way nullsec works have utterly screwed the pooch, then you really aren't worthy of anyone's subscription.

Remove the barriers to entry for new nullsec players? Er, FAIL. All those fringe systems which could have been made previously useful are now worthless token systems. Go ahead spend billions to get a foothold in a less desirable hi-trusec system, and you rewarded with some filler sites, which aren't worth the screen real estate they take up on my scanner.

Increase 0.0 combat activity. Who the effing hell goes to war because someone has a good ratting system 26 jumps away? Where the hell do you get your intel you complete imbeciles? I go to fight people because they will show up to fight and I can laugh and cry with my mates.

Think there is too much inflation? Too many ISK fountains? Fine, reduce them at a slow, even, and consistent pace. Hi-sec has truly become more profitable, sure we have to go through your terrible "game content" that is the mission text, but you have removed a system that so many mid-range SP pilots use to prop up their war efforts. I play on average 4 days a week for about an hour, that was enough to make about 240m (Thanny+Tengu sanctum @60m/h, stfu naysayers its true), which afforded me the ability to fit, fly and lose any subcapital in PVP without worry. Now in those same 4 hours, I spend half of them jumping around low trusec systems only to find them filled with one sanctum, 5 havens, and about 20 blues. I can afford to lose a cruiser a week now. Lvl 4s look like a gold-mine now

I can't wait for your further improvements, your force-projection solution should be a stunner. Let me guess just kill off JBs?

Your epic Forum fail is truly indicative of the caliber of your work. You guys seriously are like King Midas' cousin, except instead of everything you touch turning to gold, its turns to absolute horse ****. When was the last time you make any significant changes that you didn't horrible screw up? This whole walking-in-station crap is ridiculous, this is a internet spaceship game. If i wanted to put on night elf costume and dance with a bunch of stay-at-home moms I'd go play WoW.

You continually do stumble upon some improvements, then you must say to yourself "wow, this is working really proper. We've got to botch it"

So one account has been terminated, let's see how long the other one lasts. Spread the word to get 500,000 million subs? Haha, I'm spreading the word but I don't think its the words you'd like.

Sadly, I think this game might have reached the end of its life-cycle. I just wish SWTOR when it comes out can satisfy my desire for a sci-fi MMO, cause this one isn't cutting it.

It's monday today CCP, re-balance the game so that the risk vs reward isn't an inverse function, or don't **** with it at all.

umadbro? Hell yeah, I hope Iceland's tourism trade picks up, cause you absolutely suck at implementing change, and I hear its pretty hard to **** up a Fjord or hotspring.

It was a good run




^
This! Someone else gets it!

Now CCP why don't you rat for 6 hours until you get enough isk to buy a clue!

Caldron Shinigami
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:01:00 - [3183]
 

Heres my Thoughts to your Expectations after these changesEvil or Very Mad



LOL funny stuff wont happen but hey keep up the good work but whoever came up with the idea must be focused in tetris.


Cyas out there

Vendictus Prime
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:39:00 - [3184]
 

Edited by: Vendictus Prime on 11/04/2011 14:41:10
Edited by: Vendictus Prime on 11/04/2011 14:40:48
Ok, this is a business decision that DOES not have the affect they thought it would. So, when a company make a poor decision that affects it's customers, then you best way to complain is to write a formal letter to the CEO of the company.
I suggest that we organize such a letter, maybe attach a petition of player signatures and send it directly to Hilmar Petursson.

On a related issue, if they want to create more conflict in 0.0, I would first suggest they fix the game breaking lag that happens with the CURRENT level of conflict in the game before adding or changing features that will make it even worse.

Fly safe, or not 07

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:44:00 - [3185]
 

Originally by: Vendictus Prime
On a related issue, if they want to create more conflict in 0.0, I would first suggest they fix the game breaking lag that happens with the CURRENT level of conflict in the game before adding or changing features that will make it even worse.

lag cant be fixed, since people will always bring more than server can handle.

Dark Striped
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:53:00 - [3186]
 

Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: Vendictus Prime
On a related issue, if they want to create more conflict in 0.0, I would first suggest they fix the game breaking lag that happens with the CURRENT level of conflict in the game before adding or changing features that will make it even worse.

lag cant be fixed, since people will always bring more than server can handle.


lag can be fixed and ccp are trying the reduction of people in 0.0 plan. less 0.0 residence less in fleet less lag, guess we all win with this one

Mctana
Caldari
Dead's Prostitutes
White Angels.
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:28:00 - [3187]
 

Originally by: Marley Browning
Originally by: WisdomPanda


Incorrect. -0.3 to -0.4 has one haven.

With full upgrades, this is how I feel it should break down;

0.0 to -0.2 = 1 Haven
-0.3 to -0.4 = 2 Haven
-0.5 to -0.6 = 1 Sanctum, 2 Haven
-0.7 to -0.8 = 2 Sanctum, 2 Haven
-0.9 to -1.0 = 2 Sanctum, 4 Haven

The change is a decent idea, but it has been horribly executed. No community involvement, virtually no lead time, insufficient and horrendously flawed reasoning, terrible community feedback. 100 pages of people voicing real concerns, opinions that at least warrant a response, even if you disagree with them. We deserve better man.
(What people deserve in a game is muddy water at best, but what we deserve for paying a subscription is something totally different. Simple communication really isn't that hard.)

Above all else CCP and CCP Greyscale in particular, you should be ashamed at the way you have handled this. Screw the impact, screw the outcomes, you just totally missed the mark from a community stand point by a sizable amount. With fanfest and the amount of time you put back into the community, we are left to wonder; How did you manage to drop the ball so badly? You are nerfing one of the core reasons for people to be in nullsec, nerfing a major part of why people pay for upgrades (and related industries, I might add), and effecting every nullsec system in EvE in some way. You had to know this was going to end badly if handled incorrectly...

The irony is that you asked us to spread the word to help reach 500,000 subs... Giving us lip service and not thinking through radical changes to the most unique thing about EvE does nothing for your cause.


I think your wrong, I am in a -.62 system and I only get 3 havens, no sanctums since the patch.



In -0.64 with full index full upgraded sytsem, literally ratting until the servers shut down, and we've had zero sanctums since the patch. The nerf is either bugged or not working as advertised.

Skilo
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:45:00 - [3188]
 

Bumping on a fail thread

On a fail CCP response

Ups my mistake

On a regular CCP response thread


MuppetsSlayed
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:31:00 - [3189]
 

I have put off from posting in this thread until now.

CCP you must have lost your mind. With the latest changes to 0.0 anomolies a lot of people who live in my region now sit in worthless space. Months and years or work building this space and our community into something worth fighting to defend has been destroyed in a single move. And you expect us to now go and fight some of our friends for access to better ratting so we can grind enough isk to be able to fight. Why in gods name would we do that?

The discussions we are having at the moment arent to do with what region we will go to rat in, they are to do with WHICH OTHER MMOPG WILL WE ALL JOIN WHEN OUR SUBS RUN OUT AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

Kenjie94
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:07:00 - [3190]
 

confirming 2 accounts will expire by the end of the month. good bye EVE.
i love this game but CCP ****ed it hard!!!

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:08:00 - [3191]
 

Originally by: MuppetsSlayed
The discussions we are having at the moment arent to do with what region we will go to rat in, they are to do with WHICH OTHER MMOPG WILL WE ALL JOIN WHEN OUR SUBS RUN OUT AT THE END OF THE MONTH.


The only reason my four accounts are still here is that I made the mistake of subbing for a year, six months to see if CCP gets their collective head out of their collective a$$.

MuppetsSlayed
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:19:00 - [3192]
 

Edited by: MuppetsSlayed on 11/04/2011 20:19:56
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kentai Samica
Thanks CCP

We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.

After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.

1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.

So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.

How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?




Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.

Look at him! Rolling Eyes



Actually mate - this guy is bang on the money. I can confirm 100% what he said is exactly what is currently happening in 0.0.

Lord Lightcloud
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:50:00 - [3193]
 

CCP disgust me in the respect they have shown to their player base. Here is to a large portion of their player base/income moving to other games.

Nikgah Plz
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:01:00 - [3194]
 

I wouldn't be surprised they want to make everyone use their RMT and kill big alliances. Theny they'll be like oh hey look what we're doing we're gonna add sanctums again.

Lost'In'Space
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:17:00 - [3195]
 

Originally by: Lord Lightcloud
CCP disgust me in the respect they have shown to their player base. Here is to a large portion of their player base/income moving to other games.

lol, large portion?

didn't you read that report that said only 10% of the playerbase is in 0.0? For every whiner here, there's probably 9 more who are happy with this change, that CCP reduced the isk fountain in 0.0

Nikgah Plz
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:19:00 - [3196]
 

Edited by: Nikgah Plz on 11/04/2011 21:21:38
Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Lord Lightcloud
CCP disgust me in the respect they have shown to their player base. Here is to a large portion of their player base/income moving to other games.

lol, large portion?

didn't you read that report that said only 10% of the playerbase is in 0.0? For every whiner here, there's probably 9 more who are happy with this change, that CCP reduced the isk fountain in 0.0


And you trust CCP because... (look up Star Wars Galaxies)btw if you had half a brain maybe some of these people complaining are doing it for their corp members. I was never a forum person until this happened and everyone was complaining.

Lost'In'Space
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:55:00 - [3197]
 

Originally by: Nikgah Plz
some of these people complaining are doing it for their corp members.

And all those who show support for this change might represent all those who are happy with this change, what's your point?

Kalpel
Caldari
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.04.11 22:09:00 - [3198]
 

Originally by: Lord Lightcloud
CCP disgust me in the respect they have shown to their player base. Here is to a large portion of their player base/income moving to other games.


Agreed, I'm looking ...... and I refuse to give CCP any IRL cash for PLEX's to fund my PvP in 0.0, once my saved up ISK is gone, I'm gone



Zxmagus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.12 05:23:00 - [3199]
 

Could some one at CCP please explain to us why null sec needed a near global nerf to below high sec mission running isk earning rates? I'm in a -8 system right now that for the last week hasn't spawned more then 1 sanctum at a time, making isk gains for every one slower just encourages more people to bot or worse leave 0.0 and go back to high sec.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.12 08:34:00 - [3200]
 

Originally by: Zxmagus
Could some one at CCP please explain to us why null sec needed a near global nerf to below high sec mission running isk earning rates? I'm in a -8 system right now that for the last week hasn't spawned more then 1 sanctum at a time, making isk gains for every one slower just encourages more people to bot or worse leave 0.0 and go back to high sec.

The 0.0 population will just level out at a new low, according to the available resources. They try to reduce ISK/lag in game. Its good.

Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.12 09:25:00 - [3201]
 

I just can lol at the troll about 0.0 ....

CCP is currently nerfing all the isk income even in high sec so stop trolling about how happy you are for the 0.0 nerf it is also coming in high sec.

Huge reduce of plex, npc jamm higly reinforced so you can't blitz guristas missions...

It's a general nerf, but a part of it is just easier to see.

MoarMining
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:16:00 - [3202]
 

I have thought long and hard about the 0.0 nerf and I have come to a few conclusions with it. 1st of all people who say its well worth it to try and take someones space to gain a -.9 -1 system in order to get sanctums for themselves dont realize a huge flaw in their logic. If you even managed to take over some space with a -.9 system or better you wouldn't even be able to do sanctums in the system. The first thing that came to mind when I heard that -.9 systems were the only ones that were going to have a decent ammount of sanctums in them, and that was "it would be fun to log an alt off in a system like that and just catch people trying to run sanctums." I can guarentee if someone were to actually take space from someone else who held a -.9 system that there would be a handful of people that would logoffski just to catch them while ratting. On top of that there are already people who are flying to random -.9 systems to try their luck at pirateing anomolies. The dilemma this leaves you in is the fact that if you go ratting in an expensive ship that can actually run anomolies quickly to generate a high isk revenue then you dont want to be out ratting when there are neuts/reds in the system, But if those neuts/reds know that the only place anyone is going to be ratting / running anoms is in the one or two sanctums in the entire region, then I guarentee you know where they will be found just sitting, waiting for someone to slip up. So essentially no one is making very good isk off of anoms anymore even when their are -.9 systems in the region.

Next thing I tackled was the though of, why would CCP do a nerf like this knowing the outcome. People you cant believe that CCP is actually as dumb as they are leading us to believe. Their Job is eve online, they can look at every little thing that every little person in the game is doing. Which means that they already know exactly how this nerf is going to effect us even before we do, or they Would Not Implement it, its as simple as that. I have been with eve for a long time, like many of you, and when a change happens, it has its reasons, but they are not always good reasons. Or even reason that are meant to help us the subscribers out. Here is what i have picked up on with this nerf.

Peoples first instinct is to rebel and say they are not going to subscribe anymore to eve, i'm sure some people actually will stop their subs, but the majority of us will stick through it like we always have. Their have been some pretty off times, "like the nano nerf" where people just sucked it up and counted it as part of the game. This is going to be one of those times when CCP knows we mostly will just suck it up after we are forced to accept this ludacris idea that they know wont cause the effects they are telling us. Now the real thing we need to look at is why would they do somthing like this knowing how it was going to effect everyone?

Back in my day ;), years ago before Sanctums in the day of the dinosaur... Lots of people use to stare at rocks for hours on end watching that ugly beam turn on and off. Yes my friends... People in 0.0 use to mine... One things i would love to point out is the fact that Grav sites seems to be pretty uneffected by the Patch, there are still lots of them. My thought is that CCP wants the real isk to come from mining once again, Why you ask? Because before people use to really have multiple accounts, and by multiple i mean having subs for 5 accounts to run hulk pilots and pull in lots of isk. That stopped when it became more profitable to run sanctums / level 4's. CCP i'm sure would love to have all those mining subs back up and running, +the new subs for new accounts who will be training chars for mining to meet the high demand for mining alts. Which in turn means more people buying plexes because plex prices will go up, and people will buy plexes with irl cash even more so when they are worth more isk.

Food For Thought ;) DENY THIS CCP... Laughing

Syndiaan
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:32:00 - [3203]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Greyscale is excited about the changes coming to anomalies. Read all about it here in his latest dev blog.


Syndiaan is concerned that CCP Greyscale is excited about screwing over 75% of the server. Read all about it by listening to your EvE subscribers on their latest rants.

Goin Off
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:33:00 - [3204]
 

Now that 30 days+ of training I have done for the Tengu ratter seems to have been in vain. There will be no place for us to make isk for pvp and the "cloaky campers" will effectively cut off access to what'st left of the sanctums. I for one know that it will have the opposite effect you're looking for and my future may lie in griefing high sec mission runners for their NPC bounties and faction mods on their mission running ships. I don't see the alliances changing their way of doing business at all. All we fight for in the NC is access to the tech moons, not anomalies. WTG, CCP the only ones you have affected is the average low-sec inhabitants primary income, killing ratys in sanctums and havens. Now too much pressure on the remaining havens, and the other anomalies are not worth the time. Probably won't buy that tengu now, I'll buy a couple of more canes to ruin high sec mission runners days. Now I will invest the training time in enhancing my probing skills!!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

JeanLuc Blindtard
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:50:00 - [3205]
 

Wonder if CCP employs r-e-t-a-rd-e-d monkeys, I got one thats almost dead and it would make a great game designer. Might as well mail it to them maybe it will have better ideas about "how to create conflict".

Proposal to fix CCP's Anom FoKing:

Get a alt on a cloaky T1 frigate pop it in a sanctum, move 200km away and stay there cloaked. That will stop the sanctum from re spawning and so the CCP's idea of ever ****ing with the players like this.

I got 3 accounts and currently Il make more isk ratting mining building **** in empire than using them in 0.0. But the 3 accounts will make great cloaky alts on 3 sanctums. Im thinking thats how il end my eve life. F--cking, or trying to, CCP in the brains.

Filay Six
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:41:00 - [3206]
 

REMOVE THE O.O NERF!!

Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:00:00 - [3207]
 

95% of my gear moved out of worthless 0.0.
Either grind 4's in high sec which are getting packed (new lag central) or just like others quit the game.
Red hits the cancel sub on 2 accounts, been fun while it was worth it

Remove the null nurf!

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.04.12 14:24:00 - [3208]
 

Edited by: Robert Caldera on 12/04/2011 14:24:56

so, if the tech moons are the money and not ISK, why dont you just get them?? RF them day after day and even the strongest alliance in eve will crumble to constant pressure some day. But, sitting under their skirt wont give you any ISK, because they take it all by themselves. Its your choice, being a part of the blob and living from crumbs or taking the pie.

Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:11:00 - [3209]
 

Originally by: Robert Caldera
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 12/04/2011 14:24:56

so, if the tech moons are the money and not ISK, why dont you just get them?? RF them day after day and even the strongest alliance in eve will crumble to constant pressure some day. But, sitting under their skirt wont give you any ISK, because they take it all by themselves. Its your choice, being a part of the blob and living from crumbs or taking the pie.


Typical reply from some one that has nothing to do with 0.0/ grinds 4's.
Pos costs/pos's are corp setup not solo.
alliances are the one's that have the power to run pos and move moongoo in j/f or frieght it through jump bridges,
normal pilots grind isk in havens etc.
we dont live in a "blob" i hardly ever see blob warfare, small gangs are the flavor, we dont jump from system to system in 000's most of the gangs i see/been in are from 1-30.
will peeps that really dont have a qlue please not put silly ar*ed coments that they have no idea about on here like "so, if the tech moons are the money and not ISK, why dont you just get them??"

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:19:00 - [3210]
 

Originally by: Red Morbo

alliances are the one's that have the power to run pos and move moongoo in j/f or frieght it through jump bridges,

oh, I wasnt aware JFs cant be piloted by individuals.

Originally by: Red Morbo
normal pilots grind isk in havens etc.
not anymore!! Adapt or GTFO.

Originally by: Red Morbo
we dont live in a "blob" i hardly ever see blob warfare, small gangs are the flavor, we dont jump from system to system in 000's most of the gangs i see/been in are from 1-30.

ever thought about living in NPC 0.0?? It exactly fits your playstyle.

Originally by: Red Morbo
"so, if the tech moons are the money and not ISK, why dont you just get them??"

exactly this is the way to go. If you cant, GTFO or stop whining because there is no easy ISK for renters.


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