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nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:56:00 - [3001]
 

why not just drop all sov, rework standings and farm those new shiny plexes in the "crappy" space after the downtime??

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:57:00 - [3002]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 06/04/2011 13:58:41
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 06/04/2011 13:58:22
Asperger's syndrome is an attempt by Dr. Hans Asperger to worm his way into the history books by labelling people who are simply *******s with a fake mental illness. (The name itself is a euphemism for what he called "Autistic Sociopaths"). Like all mental illness there is absolutely no physical evidence that it actually exists.

Asperger-monsters are the most self-centered, selfish pieces of **** on the planet. Devoid of empathy, social reasoning, social context, or self awareness, they are subhuman meat-calculators, who live to collect and catalogue items like barcodes and bottletops.

Such losers believe that having Asperger's Syndrome excuses all forms of social ******ation, attention whoring and ****ty self-absorbed bull****, while also allowing them to lay claim to its supposed symptom of "higher than average levels of intelligence".

For these reasons, Asperger's has greatly outstripped ADHD as the chic diagnosis of choice for pretty much every group of ****tards on the internet.

Draked
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:59:00 - [3003]
 

Edited by: Draked on 06/04/2011 14:00:07
Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Lev Aeris
Fair enough, you actually did link your KB. Your alliance is going to get hit as hard as anyone on this change, so hell...proceed with your hate ;).

so? I dont give a **** about that. I found a different way to earn more ISK than I'll ever spend and I'm not the one who is whining about the changes.


Nano bobcat, every post iv read that you have posted have been ****ed up, you talk as if you are a alliance leader that get 10bil / month to do nothing, if thats so, good for youRolling Eyes but for us smaller fish, removing the sanctums from our spaces is totally crap, have you tried to belt rat with 10, 20, 30, 100 people in local? its not happening!

We need isk to pvp, NO ISK MEANS NO WARS, ALLIANCES MAY BE RICH BUT THOSE WHO FIGHT WILL GET BROKE! NO PILOTS = NO FIGHTS = NO WARS!

CCP... $hitting on the little guy.

Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:01:00 - [3004]
 

I'm not some carebear who only rats but I am someone who rats from time to time just to make enough ISK to go out and shoot someones face off. I just think that taking these out of 0.0 will simply make 0.0 dead. Less resources in 0.0 won't make people fight over more space, it will just make more people head into Empire. Grats CCP, you wanted to see null dead, your gonna get it.

Oh and thanks for taking my targets away from me. That's one thing I used to love to do, jump into a system and warp to Sanctums that people thought they were safe in.

Kleinjan
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:01:00 - [3005]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 06/04/2011 13:58:41
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 06/04/2011 13:58:22
Asperger's syndrome is an attempt by Dr. Hans Asperger to worm his way into the history books by labelling people who are simply *******s with a fake mental illness. (The name itself is a euphemism for what he called "Autistic Sociopaths"). Like all mental illness there is absolutely no physical evidence that it actually exists.

Asperger-monsters are the most self-centered, selfish pieces of **** on the planet. Devoid of empathy, social reasoning, social context, or self awareness, they are subhuman meat-calculators, who live to collect and catalogue items like barcodes and bottletops.

Such losers believe that having Asperger's Syndrome excuses all forms of social ******ation, attention whoring and ****ty self-absorbed bull****, while also allowing them to lay claim to its supposed symptom of "higher than average levels of intelligence".

For these reasons, Asperger's has greatly outstripped ADHD as the chic diagnosis of choice for pretty much every group of ****tards on the internet.


Further to this, I just want to say, Miso, you have a very impressive set of funbags there. Good job.

Kalbrun
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:05:00 - [3006]
 

Ok 101 pages of complaints, and trolls and CCP Grayscale or CCP Zymurgist have not even made a attemt at posting a defence it eather they have the day of ( convenent), they don't give a Fly ****, or they are 2 chicken **** and embarsed to show themselfs and fess up that this was a bad idea. personally i am going with all 3

Copy Dude2
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:06:00 - [3007]
 

Ahh, u guys have missed the subtleties of CCP.
More isk in Null sec Players hands means more time to fight. That means much bigger blobs and bigger fleets which can be quickly reinfoirced as plenty of isk and guys willing to use it. Hey, they can just do 4 sanctums for a new 1.
Thsi leads to laggy fights and peopel moaning at CCP to fix Lag.


Now, nerf income and nerf pvp. This reduces the fleets and u get less lag, so less moaning about lag, and they can divert more of their devs to incarna to attract women and many more opportunities for people to spend real money on a fancy pot plant and lava lamp for their captains quarters. Or they get more plex income as peeps try to make up for the shortfall.
GENIUS CCP>




nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:07:00 - [3008]
 

Originally by: Draked

Nano bobcat, every post iv read that you have posted have been ****ed up, you talk as if you are a alliance leader that get 10bil / month to do nothing, if thats so, good for youRolling Eyes but for us smaller fish, removing the sanctums from our spaces is totally crap, have you tried to belt rat with 10, 20, 30, 100 people in local? its not happening!

you know what does survival of the fittest mean?
Its time to leave the blob possibly, there is no reason to stick to that useless space and protect your lord's moons.

Kleinjan
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:08:00 - [3009]
 

Originally by: Copy Dude2
Ahh, u guys have missed the subtleties of CCP.
More isk in Null sec Players hands means more time to fight. That means much bigger blobs and bigger fleets which can be quickly reinfoirced as plenty of isk and guys willing to use it. Hey, they can just do 4 sanctums for a new 1.
Thsi leads to laggy fights and peopel moaning at CCP to fix Lag.


Now, nerf income and nerf pvp. This reduces the fleets and u get less lag, so less moaning about lag, and they can divert more of their devs to incarna to attract women and many more opportunities for people to spend real money on a fancy pot plant and lava lamp for their captains quarters. Or they get more plex income as peeps try to make up for the shortfall.
GENIUS CCP>






This guy has it all figured out!

Kleinjan
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:10:00 - [3010]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Draked

Nano bobcat, every post iv read that you have posted have been ****ed up, you talk as if you are a alliance leader that get 10bil / month to do nothing, if thats so, good for youRolling Eyes but for us smaller fish, removing the sanctums from our spaces is totally crap, have you tried to belt rat with 10, 20, 30, 100 people in local? its not happening!

you know what does survival of the fittest mean?
Its time to leave the blob possibly, there is no reason to stick to that useless space and protect your lord's moons.


Always makes me laugh seeing geeks quoting "survival of the fittest" and applying it to an internet spaceships game. If survival of the fittest were really true, you wouldn't have time to be sitting on your skinny geek butt playing this game mate. You'd be extinct.

Draked
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:10:00 - [3011]
 

Originally by: Copy Dude2
Ahh, u guys have missed the subtleties of CCP.
More isk in Null sec Players hands means more time to fight. That means much bigger blobs and bigger fleets which can be quickly reinfoirced as plenty of isk and guys willing to use it. Hey, they can just do 4 sanctums for a new 1.
Thsi leads to laggy fights and peopel moaning at CCP to fix Lag.


Now, nerf income and nerf pvp. This reduces the fleets and u get less lag, so less moaning about lag, and they can divert more of their devs to incarna to attract women and many more opportunities for people to spend real money on a fancy pot plant and lava lamp for their captains quarters. Or they get more plex income as peeps try to make up for the shortfall.
GENIUS CCP>

So you basicly wanna decrease the numbers of wars, the exact opposite than ccp wants?

think about this, most of us work 8 hours a day, then traveling from / to work, thats about 1 hour, you sleep around 6 hours, thats 15 hours, then shopping, cleaning, cooking, hobbies, so that gives you about 1-2 hours / day to make isk, weekends you fight.





nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:12:00 - [3012]
 

Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:12:30
Originally by: Kleinjan
Always makes me laugh seeing geeks quoting "survival of the fittest" and applying it to an internet spaceships game. If survival of the fittest were really true, you wouldn't have time to be sitting on your skinny geek butt playing this game mate. You'd be extinct.

stick to the topic.
sotf methaphor suits very well the current situation!

Copy Dude2
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:16:00 - [3013]
 

Originally by: Draked
Originally by: Copy Dude2
Ahh, u guys have missed the subtleties of CCP.
More isk in Null sec Players hands means more time to fight. That means much bigger blobs and bigger fleets which can be quickly reinfoirced as plenty of isk and guys willing to use it. Hey, they can just do 4 sanctums for a new 1.
Thsi leads to laggy fights and peopel moaning at CCP to fix Lag.


Now, nerf income and nerf pvp. This reduces the fleets and u get less lag, so less moaning about lag, and they can divert more of their devs to incarna to attract women and many more opportunities for people to spend real money on a fancy pot plant and lava lamp for their captains quarters. Or they get more plex income as peeps try to make up for the shortfall.
GENIUS CCP>

So you basicly wanna decrease the numbers of wars, the exact opposite than ccp wants?

think about this, most of us work 8 hours a day, then traveling from / to work, thats about 1 hour, you sleep around 6 hours, thats 15 hours, then shopping, cleaning, cooking, hobbies, so that gives you about 1-2 hours / day to make isk, weekends you fight.







No, I dont want to nerf it. I believe that CCP has decided that it is a good way to stop people moaning about lag by preventing more peeps from swelling fleets to the point where they cause lag, thereby leaving them to sell us other pointless items for real life money.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:18:00 - [3014]
 

Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:19:03
Originally by: Copy Dude2
No, I dont want to nerf it. I believe that CCP has decided that it is a good way to stop people moaning about lag by preventing more peeps from swelling fleets to the point where they cause lag, thereby leaving them to sell us other pointless items for real life money.

less ball licking pets = smaller blobs.
You got it right, dude!! This is the proper way of fixing the lag.
Gratz, CCP for this awesome step!

Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:20:00 - [3015]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Red Morbo
Originally by: nano bobcat
if you want anoms, get a better space. It will be a tough times for c*cksucking pets and similar scum but hey, IS THERE ANY BAD WITH THAT??


thats like walking into the white house and urinating in the big mans coffee pot, aint going to hapen and you going to look like a t*at trying to do so

if its not goint to happen then get the f*ck out and STFU whining. You made your choice.


ROFL i'm not whinning,look at my post's. Taking the pee would be closer, nice too see i bush peeps up the wrong way in and out of game

Kleinjan
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:20:00 - [3016]
 

Edited by: Kleinjan on 06/04/2011 14:21:16
Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:12:30
Originally by: Kleinjan
Always makes me laugh seeing geeks quoting "survival of the fittest" and applying it to an internet spaceships game. If survival of the fittest were really true, you wouldn't have time to be sitting on your skinny geek butt playing this game mate. You'd be extinct.

stick to the topic.
sotf methaphor suits very well the current situation!


So what you are saying is, you are the fit and the rest of us are not? Ok. Well, I think you've had your allotment of ego w4nking for the day. Any other thoughts?

Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:23:00 - [3017]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:19:03
Originally by: Copy Dude2
No, I dont want to nerf it. I believe that CCP has decided that it is a good way to stop people moaning about lag by preventing more peeps from swelling fleets to the point where they cause lag, thereby leaving them to sell us other pointless items for real life money.

less ball licking pets = smaller blobs.
You got it right, dude!! This is the proper way of fixing the lag.
Gratz, CCP for this awesome step!


Seen bigger blobs in low sec faction wars,more often than null imo


nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:24:00 - [3018]
 

Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:24:35
Originally by: Kleinjan
So what you are saying is, you are the fit and the rest of us are not? Ok. Well, I think you've had your allotment of ego w4nking for the day. Any other thoughts?

You are not, as it seems you whine after your sanctums, unable or unwilling to adapt to the new eve world.

Kleinjan
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:28:00 - [3019]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:24:35
Originally by: Kleinjan
So what you are saying is, you are the fit and the rest of us are not? Ok. Well, I think you've had your allotment of ego w4nking for the day. Any other thoughts?

You are not, as it seems you whine after your sanctums, unable or unwilling to adapt to the new eve world.


Ah yes, the "new EVE world"! Great turn of phrase there. No actually I am well adapted to the "real world", and so your corny chest thumping just makes me chuckle. Turn off your EVE client and get out there and explore the "real world" a bit more and maybe you will become more fit to survive in it without making yourself appear so ridiculous.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:33:00 - [3020]
 

lol? Are your serious? If you like discussing reality issues, this is a wrong board for you.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:33:00 - [3021]
 

Originally by: Cyzlaki
Is there any way we can stop this change from being implemented, or is it too late for us?
When did you guys become such massive carebears?

I remember when we used to survive pretty well off plexing and ratting in stain supplemented with the odd jaunt to empire to suicide gank.

But then I also remember when flying T2 was considered a luxury and made people particularly careful with them, wheras now it seems players aren't happy unless they can shrug off expensive losses painlessly.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:35:00 - [3022]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat

You are not, as it seems you whine after your sanctums, unable or unwilling to adapt to the new eve world.


I don't. I just can't suffer stupidity when I see it, and this patch and supposed ideas behind it are an epitome of stupidity. This patch propably doesn't affect me much personally, but there will be less people joining roams and less targets for those roams since people will be busy trying to make isk elsewhere. Null fleets are going to suffer a slow attrition of personnel, and those ****-out-of-luck renters who are struggling with their sov upgrades are just going to pack it and leave. I fail to see what good this does to the game. This patch most certainly isn't going to make big alliances move a muscle, something that was supposedly the prime reason behind it.

Verity Auger
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:40:00 - [3023]
 

Edited by: Verity Auger on 06/04/2011 14:41:05
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Cyzlaki
Is there any way we can stop this change from being implemented, or is it too late for us?
When did you guys become such massive carebears?

I remember when we used to survive pretty well off plexing and ratting in stain supplemented with the odd jaunt to empire to suicide gank.

But then I also remember when flying T2 was considered a luxury and made people particularly careful with them, wheras now it seems players aren't happy unless they can shrug off expensive losses painlessly.


Your logic is circular. In the past nullsec population was much lower, allowing for the few who lived there to make a reasonable living. Higher populations nullify the benefits of nullsec while taking away very little of the risks.

I think PL knows what botting is? :) Botting, and moon goo, provide unlimited isk to larger alliances. So losses that the average honest player accumulates, be they T2 or otherwise, do not equate to losses by elite PvP groups with bot/goo supported SRF's. Sanctums actually (somewhat) levelled the playing field there, if "carebears" (ergo, honest players) were willing to rat to support PvP.

You sound like you are happy because you will still be able to afford T2 and will be up against straw men who can only afford T1. But, I thought EVE was supposed to be hard? Awww. I guess only hard for the other guy, huh.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 - [3024]
 

Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:42:18
Originally by: Zey Nadar
This patch most certainly isn't going to make big alliances move a muscle, something that was supposedly the prime reason behind it.
if the pet shell crumbles, those "big alliances" get into trouble easily. This is a good thing, go get your share out of that.

CBBOMBERMAN
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:42:00 - [3025]
 

Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 06/04/2011 14:42:24
This patch is like having pizza without cheese!
This also proves ccp is blind and does not know its game.
This is not gonna encourage more wars. The main reason why ppl
do not do wars is cos its a lot of work and most of all is the LAG!
No one wants so sit their ass haiting 10 minutes for 1 round cycle.
You want lots of fights and realy good ones, then fix the lag.
This is not gonna make the big alliances reduce their number ithr drastically.
Besides it will fall into the same thing. Alliances will hire mercs and
the server willl have a spasm and crash as usual. We have seen servers falling
after been reinforced so this is no gonna help either.
And alot less ppl would want to pvp under those and the new policy of rich
gets richer and poor gets poorer.


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:44:00 - [3026]
 

Quote:

Now that this marks 100 PAGES yet to see any CCP in put on this hard topic!



Regardless of the fact I think this is:

- quite of a quick "catch the low hanging fruit" opportunistic patch

- that a good part of the whole truth has not been disclosed


I still think CCP Grayscale expected *ideas* to put in a future patch, not just stupid ass whines.

He likely discounted to get pages and pages of rage, this is what happens everytime you take away something.


Now, I am sad to say that I can recall just 3-4 suggestion posts made, the rest is ... not useful, even if he wanted to listen to feedback for real and bring it to the team and consider implementing it.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:45:00 - [3027]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:42:18if the pet shell crumbles, those "big alliances" get into trouble easily. This is a good thing, go get your share out of that.


And this promotes more fights how? If there are fewer people, there is effectively less conflict.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:48:00 - [3028]
 

Originally by: Zey Nadar

And this promotes more fights how? If there are fewer people, there is effectively less conflict.

really?? Moar blobs guarantee fights you say?
Thats new to me, my experience tells me people hate blobs and lag. Well, maybe I'm just wrong.

Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:48:00 - [3029]
 

Originally by: Red Morbo
Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:19:03
Originally by: Copy Dude2
No, I dont want to nerf it. I believe that CCP has decided that it is a good way to stop people moaning about lag by preventing more peeps from swelling fleets to the point where they cause lag, thereby leaving them to sell us other pointless items for real life money.

less ball licking pets = smaller blobs.
You got it right, dude!! This is the proper way of fixing the lag.
Gratz, CCP for this awesome step!


Seen bigger blobs in low sec faction wars,more often than null imo




This move will reduce 0.0 blobs by reducing the overall population of 0.0, that's pretty much a given IMHO. However the reduction is happening in the wrong direction IMHO. Big, rich alliances that live in good space have much less to suffer from this nerf, so will bleed way less members than smaller, poorer alliances that live in crappier space. Not to mention guys in crappy space that will try to move to good space. This means that, although the overall numbers involved in a hypothetical conflict might drop, the balance will be skewed further in favor of the rich&powerful, as their numbers will be dropping by a smaller fraction than their poorer opponents.

Second issue: supercaps. It is unlikely supercap owners will leave null-sec over this. Which, coupled with overall reduction in nullsec numbers means that the proportion of supercaps per active pilot, which further moves the game in the direction of Supercaps Online.

I really believe this patch will change nothing in the long run(apart from some feeling of bitterness toward CCP that keeps accumulating in the playerbase); the rich will still be rich and powerful, and the poor will still be poor and unable to challenge them due to lack of resources.


Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:51:00 - [3030]
 

The new null sec where the big alliances wear top hats and the average pilot is the chimney sweeper.
congrates to ccp for adding the classes system to eve pilots, the rich get richer the poor stay poor.

"penny for a shine gov"


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