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Derth Ramir
Posted - 2011.03.22 06:23:00 - [1]
 

I know this may sound like a weird idea but it may actually fix the whole botting issue. Basiclly ccp would just increase more sights for people to explore. This would make eve a more dynamic place and allows for more "fun" to the idea of ratting or mining.

Know obviously this would make it challenging for new players to go out and mine and rat but maybe in rookie systems they could place static sights.

With the botting issue does anybody know if bots have the ability to use probes and scan down sights? If so this thread will die a slow horrible deathEmbarassed

Savatar Mei
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:06:00 - [2]
 

i say just the opposite, it would only encourage the botting issue because scanning for roids will discourage the newbie player.

because:
mining takes mining skills + scanning skills (good bye newbies)
scanning takes time - who wants to work for 15 mins @ scanning just to find a belt?
bots are, errr, robots that dont have a concept of time, if they can be made move around belts and select roids to mine or hide if a WT comes into local, then they can scan just the same.

Doug Drafto
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:08:00 - [3]
 

You are making a very large assumption... that CCP wants to remove botters...

It would be very difficult to remove asteroid belts and devise a new concept that worked. For instance what is the alternative... you say new sites to explore instead. How?

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Derth Ramir
With the botting issue does anybody know if bots have the ability to use probes and scan down sights? If so this thread will die a slow horrible deathEmbarassed


Yes, they do. See: Bot Sanctum farmers in nullsec. Sorry, bro.

Naiset Lannoittavista
Posted - 2011.03.22 11:28:00 - [5]
 

Take a look at some bot sites... the possibility of bots are (freespace).
Eve is a teamplay, right. If you are alone you can't build something great.
Why should it be a problem newbies join a player-corp, if they want to mine?
They will get support by team mates for scanning.

My personal fight against bots:
Petition possible bots. Atm it is very easy to find them.
Other Way for fair play: Allow bots.
I think 80-90% of the miners in hisec are bots. If i take a look into my temporary mining system.

If they really scan belts, a free use of bots is the right way.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.22 13:44:00 - [6]
 

Quote:
I think 80-90% of the miners in hisec are bots.


Hogwash! you think they are .. which makes me wonder about all your petitions. These figures are not verifiable .. but even in the systems I mine I can show it's not the case... because I know most of the miners. Again we are having a problem based on propaganda spawned perception.

There are maybe two or three in my systems I consider "possible" bots and there are some 15 to 20 regular miners.

Doug Drafto
Posted - 2011.03.22 14:49:00 - [7]
 

Like I was saying, CCP doesn't flat out want to get rid of botters. Do you really want to? The keep the price of isk way down and the market reasonable. With out them things would be much more expensive...

Derth Ramir
Posted - 2011.03.23 00:18:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Doug Drafto
Like I was saying, CCP doesn't flat out want to get rid of botters. Do you really want to? The keep the price of isk way down and the market reasonable. With out them things would be much more expensive...


Are you serious...

Doug Drafto
Posted - 2011.03.23 03:02:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Doug Drafto on 23/03/2011 03:02:22
Originally by: Derth Ramir
Originally by: Doug Drafto
Like I was saying, CCP doesn't flat out want to get rid of botters. Do you really want to? The keep the price of isk way down and the market reasonable. With out them things would be much more expensive...


Are you serious...


Yes. This is the reality. CCP gets money from botters why would they want to get rid of them? They keep people buying plex when they might otherwise not be since it makes sense to put $30 down and get 1bn out for a lot of people. Its pretty simple...

If CCP wanted to get rid of botters, they would be gone.

leich
Amarr
Sad Panda'z
Posted - 2011.03.23 15:00:00 - [10]
 

I think the Idea of Making Belts Veld only and then adding Probable sites with the other ore in would be a reall good idea.

Spawns of Ore in the site driven by true sec would work Both in Size of Roids and Rareity of the ore.


Nyalnara
Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions
Posted - 2011.03.23 15:28:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: leich
I think the Idea of Making Belts Veld only and then adding Probable sites with the other ore in would be a reall good idea.

Spawns of Ore in the site driven by true sec would work Both in Size of Roids and Rareity of the ore.




No. Bots are able to probe complex, i fail to see why they wouldn't be able to probe gravi sites. But miner career doesn't need you to train probing, so it would be a pain in the ass for non-bot miners...

cyndrogen
Posted - 2011.03.24 21:23:00 - [12]
 

a bot is simply a program that runs a repetitive task, so while you might add one extra step to the program it would NOT stop bots.

A player can scan the belt down and let the bot do it's work after making a bookmark.

Belts should not be static but instead require equipment like exploration to pin point their location, the more accurate the pin point the better the ore will be.

Nyalnara
Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions
Posted - 2011.03.25 10:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: cyndrogen
Belts should not be static but instead require equipment like exploration to pin point their location, the more accurate the pin point the better the ore will be.


Saying again... Actually, a miner does not need exploration skills to be efficient. Adding exploration steps to find a belt would just be a pain in the *ss for all the non-botting miners.

Zin Zy
Posted - 2011.03.25 14:10:00 - [14]
 

Look away from the bot problem and the war against them, I think it would add a great aspec to the game if we had to search for the belts. Not saying that you need to have probing skills, the "standard" belts should be reachable using the onboard scanner. But more special belts or valuable belts (should be rare in any system), would need probing.

I like the idea and would love to see it in-game, if it helps against bots or not Smile. And about newbies not mining, add into the tutorial a session where you search for a belt with the onboard scanner and also a quick example using probes. Yes, it increases the learning curve, but i think it's a price worth paying.

Asa Tru
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
Posted - 2011.03.25 14:30:00 - [15]
 

They already have rare belts that require scanning. They are called Gravametric sites.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.03.25 15:16:00 - [16]
 

Bot masters can spend a few minutes scanning out sites, bookmark them, and let their fleet of bots run for 23 hours off them. Single noob miner will spend half an hour scanning out a site, spend 30 minutes mining in a single t1 barge then log off. This is a bot buff.


 

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