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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:38:00 - [31]
 

You're forced to actually use "tactics" and "skill" to do things in WH space, rather than "blobs" of capital ships in nullsec.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:43:00 - [32]
 

wormhole space is boring, the only time its fun is if the wh corp was silly enough to build caps in it and you're lucky enough to catch 'em.

otoh, tower size should be limited by wormhole class. nothing more boring than going up against a large faction ****star in a c1-c3 hole.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:46:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 21/03/2011 17:18:10
Originally by: Cipher Jones
It actually is the safest space in eve; if you read the QEN you already know.


If you'd have engaged your brain while reading it, you'd have seen W-space has 2% of the population, yet 4% of the kills. (That's a factor of 2 Wink)
While Empire has 86% of the population, and 16% of the kills. (That's a factor of 0.2)

Now tell me again which is the safest space in Eve?


Lol, I just read to the end of Q3 QEN, and there are as many POS killed in W-Space as there are in Lowsec. Or highsec for that matter. For summer 2010 W-space POS destroyed was around 150/month while Nullsec was around 400 per month. So only 2.7 times more POS destroyed in Null then in W, yet Null had over 4 times as many people.

Boy, did you ever cite the wrong source for such a assbackwards opinion. Razz

QEN 3 2010

4Pack Prophet
Posted - 2011.03.21 16:51:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Diablo Ex
WH POS'es may appear to be safer, but they have massive handicaps. Have you ever tried living in a WH?
There is no Ice Belts.... meaning you have to transport in the fuel. You can go for weeks on end without having a highsec WH spawn, and when it does you are against the clock, and greatly limited by mass as well.

Therefore, it's not necessary to take down any WH POS by force. Just slip a probing alt into the WH, watch and probe daily for an exit WH to known space, and then camp the hole. Eventually they starve out.

.


Rubbish; I was in a WH from rens, with CORP POS's in it. Then that WH collapsed. I scanned down another, guess where it opened up to? 4 Jmps from JITA.

They obviously have no problems.




For those who made read that and thinks it's a valid point, the simple bit of information that the exact same wormhole could be 20 jumps from Jita the very next day pretty much points towards two things.

1) Miila is deliberatley telling you half the story.

2) Miila can't have been on a WH pos bashing op so has no idea just how easy it actually is to do, if a corp puts their minds to it.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:15:00 - [35]
 

Here we go, the 0.0 carabears start flaming,
"wheee i cant jump there with 100 dreads and be fully safe, wheeeee"

guys GTFO,
if you're unable to use tactics and intelligence to take down a W system, stay in lowsec, and be a meatshield.

Br

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:16:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 21/03/2011 11:42:12
You cannot get a fleet of capital ships in to the Wormhole to attack the WH POS.

They are far safer than nullsec POS's.


You're wrong.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:18:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tub Chil
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Tub Chil
What exactly is your point? what you want to change? where do you see a gameplay flaw?


Wormholes are not dangerious enough, especially for POS owners in them compared to nullsec.

Wormholes should be more dangerious.

How long have you lived in WH space?


Troll OP hasn't lived in w-space. Troll OP is a troll and doesn't know how to shut up. Troll OP just needs to be banned from the forums already for all the stupidity troll OP spews.

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:36:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Horizonist on 21/03/2011 19:37:19
If people believe OP is a troll, why do you reply in her threads? You don't kill trolls by feeding them.

EDIT:

Oh, and in the event OP is trolling, 10/10, really.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:38:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Horizonist
Edited by: Horizonist on 21/03/2011 19:37:19
If people believe OP is a troll, why do you reply in her threads? You don't kill trolls by feeding them.

EDIT:

Oh, and in the event OP is trolling, 10/10, really.


we have too, they're like our pets :-)

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.03.21 19:43:00 - [40]
 

The OP's logic is as follows,

I looked outside and it was raining, therefore it is always raining. You are CORRECT that high sec static wormholes (if you don't know what that means, stfu about whs) are MUCH easier to protect and fuel. They CAN build capitals in their hole and YOU can't! (unless of course you set up your own pos and do it). So if they choose to HIDE in their pos while you roam around, you're right they allowed to hide. I don't see how it is any different than station camping, and they pay a hell of a lot more to do it.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:46:00 - [41]
 

Not only is w-space the safest place to put a POS, it is also the safest place to fly your officer fit PVE Tengu.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Val'Dore
Not only is w-space the safest place to put a POS, it is also the safest place to fly your officer fit PVE Tengu.


If you have 2 alts watching holes, sigcount, and hitting directional every 2 seconds yes Twisted Evil
What system are you actually in atm Val'Dore? hehe

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:53:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Marija Vanszar
Originally by: Val'Dore
Not only is w-space the safest place to put a POS, it is also the safest place to fly your officer fit PVE Tengu.


If you have 2 alts watching holes, sigcount, and hitting directional every 2 seconds yes Twisted Evil
What system are you actually in atm Val'Dore? hehe


I fly a Loki. As for the system, that is G-14 Classified.

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.03.22 00:20:00 - [44]
 

LOL @ op, try living in a wormhole for a few months and see how safe it is. If your exit is anywhere near a main route you'll have visitors by the score, most of them looking for an easy gank of a few PVE fitted ships or to run the sites. Given enough time even a small gang of BS's can take down a POS, I've even seen people attempt it in BC's.

My main lived in class 1 & 2's for a while, we used to collapse our exit as fast as possible if it was within 5 jumps of a hub unless we were really low on fuel, even then we'd use alts to haul the fuel in and use their mass to aid in closing it. I do know of at least one corp that has built a carrier in a c1, we used to have a few battleships in ours.

A high sec exit is not all it's cracked up to be, in fact it's downright dangerous if anywhere near a highly populated area.

It is funny watching people warp in & attempt to solo a site in a woefully inadequate fit/ship and instapop though.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.22 01:03:00 - [45]
 

Good thread. 4 out of 5(ughughughughYARRRR!!)
Obvious noob posted noobisms and only got mildly reamed out, with actually factual information to boot.

Shocked

Would read again. Cool

Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2011.03.22 03:17:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Val'Dore
Not only is w-space the safest place to put a POS, it is also the safest place to fly your officer fit PVE Tengu.


Must agree with Val here, on both accounts. You are completely safe inside WH space, your capital assembly array fit POS with 6 SMA's full of capital ships will never be attacked and all of your officer fit items are safe inside your sleeper killing T3's.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.03.22 03:40:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Diablo Ex
WH POS'es may appear to be safer, but they have massive handicaps. Have you ever tried living in a WH?
There is no Ice Belts.... meaning you have to transport in the fuel. You can go for weeks on end without having a highsec WH spawn, and when it does you are against the clock, and greatly limited by mass as well.

Therefore, it's not necessary to take down any WH POS by force. Just slip a probing alt into the WH, watch and probe daily for an exit WH to known space, and then camp the hole. Eventually they starve out.

.


Rubbish; I was in a WH from rens, with CORP POS's in it. Then that WH collapsed. I scanned down another, guess where it opened up to? 4 Jmps from JITA.

They obviously have no problems.



so you put a bubble at the worm hole and kill them when they bring fuel in. You don't even need to shoot the pos, they are much more vulnerable than a null sec pos.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.03.22 03:53:00 - [48]
 

The WHs are now just another kind of sov space where a bunch of jerks can put a POS and camp the entrance, no place for a small guy here.

I say disable POS in WH at all or make their maintenance cost multiple of the normal space POS maintenance, that'd be a useful change.

Although making it easier to kill those POSes would also be fine with me, as long as it does not simplify logistics. For example allow more dreads in but not more haulers.

Or just increase amount of WH systems so it would feel really huge as it is supposed to be.

Jojo Jackson
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:11:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Diablo Ex
WH POS'es may appear to be safer, but they have massive handicaps. Have you ever tried living in a WH?
There is no Ice Belts.... meaning you have to transport in the fuel. You can go for weeks on end without having a highsec WH spawn, and when it does you are against the clock, and greatly limited by mass as well.

Therefore, it's not necessary to take down any WH POS by force. Just slip a probing alt into the WH, watch and probe daily for an exit WH to known space, and then camp the hole. Eventually they starve out.

.


Rubbish; I was in a WH from rens, with CORP POS's in it. Then that WH collapsed. I scanned down another, guess where it opened up to? 4 Jmps from JITA.

They obviously have no problems.




There are BIG differences between WHs!

Some low class 1 and 2 WHs do have permanent highsec entrys.
Most class 2+ do NOT have this luxury. In fact class 4+ might have highsec entrys one day peer month.

Most WH POSes are lost do to stupidity :). Like forgot to let at last one scan-alt in the WH.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:11:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
The WHs are now just another kind of sov space where a bunch of jerks can put a POS and camp the entrance, no place for a small guy here.

I say disable POS in WH at all or make their maintenance cost multiple of the normal space POS maintenance, that'd be a useful change.

Although making it easier to kill those POSes would also be fine with me, as long as it does not simplify logistics. For example allow more dreads in but not more haulers.

Or just increase amount of WH systems so it would feel really huge as it is supposed to be.



Have sleepers kill POS's I've always said. Very Happy

If you're there and competent, it's extra sleeper loots for you. If it's an afk alt setup where you show up once a week to farm sleepers, if that, bye bye pos.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:20:00 - [51]
 

How many of you guys saying its 'dangerous' have taken out faction large death stars with a high sec static in a C1-2?

-Liang

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:29:00 - [52]
 

posting in a troll thread.

GizzyBoy
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:31:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
How many of you guys saying its 'dangerous' have taken out faction large death stars with a high sec static in a C1-2?

-Liang


Obvious troll is obvious,
If you read what where saying, You dont have to shoot at the pos at all, If you setup and have round the clock camps on the wh static, its only going to be 1-2 weeks at most before they run out of fuel and or you kill and pod everyone who does pi in the wh space.

If you dont want to go through all of that, then what do you want to sit there and grind away on a wh tower for anyway?

youd find it easier deccing corps with offline hs pos's

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:41:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: GizzyBoy

Obvious troll is obvious,
If you read what where saying, You dont have to shoot at the pos at all, If you setup and have round the clock camps on the wh static, its only going to be 1-2 weeks at most before they run out of fuel and or you kill and pod everyone who does pi in the wh space.

If you dont want to go through all of that, then what do you want to sit there and grind away on a wh tower for anyway?

youd find it easier deccing corps with offline hs pos's


Two things:
- It is utterly unreasonable that the ONLY way to kill a WH POS is to 'smoke them out' over the course of weeks and months.
- I damn well would have a ***** of a time doing anything at all in high sec.

-Liang

Jojo Jackson
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:45:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Titus Phook
I do know of at least one corp that has built a carrier in a c1, we used to have a few battleships in ours.

The corp my main is in has 3 Carrier and 2 Dreads in the C2 we live in ;).
Half the corp are full trained POS gunner too.

Jimmy Jazz
Warp Asylum Ltd
Posted - 2011.03.22 07:59:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
It is utterly unreasonable that the ONLY way to kill a WH POS is to 'smoke them out' over the course of weeks and months.


Except it's not the ONLY way, is it? Perfectly possible to take down a POS in a low class wspace system with sub BS ships. It's a little tedious but still only a matter of hours as opposed to weeks or months.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.22 08:01:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jimmy Jazz
Originally by: Liang Nuren
It is utterly unreasonable that the ONLY way to kill a WH POS is to 'smoke them out' over the course of weeks and months.


Except it's not the ONLY way, is it? Perfectly possible to take down a POS in a low class wspace system with sub BS ships. It's a little tedious but still only a matter of hours as opposed to weeks or months.


And just how many competently fit large deathstars supported by multiple cap ships have you taken down in a C2?

-Liang

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.03.22 08:05:00 - [58]
 

Posting in a thread where someone from 0.0 complains that w-space is not the same as 0.0

Qui Shon
Posted - 2011.03.22 08:11:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 22/03/2011 08:15:07
Originally by: Liang Nuren
And just how many competently fit large deathstars supported by multiple cap ships have you taken down in a C2?

-Liang


None, but corpies took down three POS in a C2 last weekend. Don't see why a faction tower would be more difficult.
I've taken down faction towers in C5/C6 though.(No not alone obviously)

Do either of these count?

Oh and AH + three merc corps took down our 5 faction towers, which were supported by over 10 caps, last fall/summer. (they brought 15 caps and 70-90 fleet size with the mercs)

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.22 08:14:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/03/2011 08:14:58
Originally by: Qui Shon

None, but corpies took down three POS in a C2 last weekend.
I've taken down faction deathstars in C5/C6 though.(No not alone obviously)

Do either of these count?


Seeing as how my complaint is purely about the power of a POS in a C1/2.... no your experience taking down (and losing) death stars in a C5/6 doesn't count. ;-)

-Liang


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