Posted - 2011.03.19 20:09:00 - [3]

 

Edited by: Goose99 on 19/03/2011 20:09:41

Originally by: kushkan

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its called a stealthbomber: torpedos with bombs 0.0 stuff .... 20 of them wipe a carrier easly

or have 4-5 decent battelship pilots that know wat there doing and adjustet there ships to eatch other

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So, where in your ass did you pull out that?

In any case, yes, supercap counter is desperately needed.

Posted - 2011.03.19 20:27:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Lord's Prophet

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i agree, a subcapital hull costing 200-800m isk should be the counter to a ship that needs sovereignty and a dozen billion isk to build, and a supporting fleet to use, and a holding alt to keep...

you could just give blackops ships an extra hull bonus of "does 300% damage to capital ships" and leave them as they are. suddenly blackops would become useful... their recons/bombers take out the subcap support and the blackops take out the caps, suddenly blackop fleets are viable.

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300% is too low. The cost of the number of black ops necessary to kill a lone supercap will still far exceed the cost of said supercap many times over. Not to mention any supporting blob would butcher the black ops, when do you fine a lone supercap? It has to be so that the "counter" class is more attractive an option than just using more supercaps as counter.

Instead of this, they can just fix the dread.

Posted - 2011.03.19 20:45:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Lord's Prophet

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Originally by: Goose99

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300% is too low. The cost of the number of black ops necessary to kill a lone supercap will still far exceed the cost of said supercap many times over.

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I get ~1100dps out of my blackops and it still has 100k hp, mwd, cap injector and a point.
5 of them at 300% bonus is around 16k dps. Since supers don't fit active tanks that's plenty. Your bombers and recons that you will have bridged in before jumping will slaughter the support fleet.
The only thing missing is a bubbler ship capable of hopping on the blackops bridge.

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1100 dps out of a Widow? Or were you talking about the Sin and its drones? In any case, it's a 600 mil uninsurable hull with less hp than a t1 BS. How many do you think will be needed to grind a supercap's ehp? Of course they don't failfit active tank, it would be easier if they do. As for bomber/recon slaughtering the support fleet... I don't see that happening. How many and what kind of ships do you think would be in that support fleet? It will have to fail pretty hard to get slaughtered by just recons and bombers.

Posted - 2011.03.20 01:43:00 - [9]

 

so maybe anti-cap frigates then.... why should they accommodate those who don't want to field a fleet strong enough to take on a cap fleet? Capitals, the new cannon fodder. yay...