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Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.18 16:54:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but in nearly all cases when I roam solo, this is pretty much how it goes.

You lack experience, and I'm pretty sure you are just trolling.


As always, a dissenting thread, idea, post is in all cases a troll. You can kindly see yourself out of the thread than, because I'm clearly just wasting your time.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:09:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but in nearly all cases when I roam solo, this is pretty much how it goes.

You lack experience, and I'm pretty sure you are just trolling.


As always, a dissenting thread, idea, post is in all cases a troll. You can kindly see yourself out of the thread than, because I'm clearly just wasting your time.


Well considering your tone, you are either trolling or you really do need to go outside, rub one out or just un-install eve.

Your thread is not constructive and has achieved nothing.

You have your answer, but that is not the answer you were looking for.

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:12:00 - [93]
 

Let me see if I can't summarize the pro-arena stance:

PvP in eve isn't fair. QQ T_T ;-;

CCP's response to this in the past has always been HTFU. Why on earth should that change now?

If they ever do implement arenas, I demand that they add space orcs as a new playable race. And I want spear turrets and fireball launchers. These aren't any less eve-y than arenas.

Look, there's enough people in this thread alone to make arenas possible. Find a quiet corner of 0.0, bubble the **** out of it. Bring in your combatants. Have a fleet of remote sebo'd battleships and alpha the **** out of anyone who tries to interfere.

Start The Big Tears Arena Holdings Corp. There's obviously enough enthusiasm and manpower to enforce your own rules for the regulation of "fair" arena fights. It's the players that should bring this kind of **** around, not the devs. That's why we play eve and not other ****ty unmentionable games.

Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:39:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Fkn Arson
Originally by: Sader Rykane

Alliance tournament... We already have the "rules" in place.



You didn't answer the big question, I'll go ahead and ask you another one though, why are there limits in place for something you are proposing to have throughout eve, and not on one (or two, is it two now?) week of the year? If this is instanced pvp, I'll sadly unsub, if it is PVP with rules but can be affected by outsiders, I'll be fine with it.


Would the World Cup be worth watching if people on the stands could walk on the field and kick the ball around?


No, and if you want to compare things such as that, then we can do that. World Cup = Alliance Tourney, everything else are the games leading up to the World Cup, in which case yes, yes it is worth watching the fans come in and kick the ball, and the players, around.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:42:00 - [95]
 

There's a remarkable lack of originality and imagination displayed in this thread.
Apparently most people are completely incapable of thinking of something they haven't seen already somewhere else.

That's the only explanation I have for people thinking of this as
"initiating arena PvP to prevent random PvP" (you really think this is a new game mode, instantly making you invulnerable?!) or
"I kill my alt for fame" (if you think that's a problem you should cancel your subscribtion right now - because you can do that already) or
"why can't other people interfere?" (you should go and cry about station trading, you are clearly denied a great chance to grab some loot) or
"hiding in the arena" (please start a thread to demand the removal of stations, it's obscene who many people are docked all the time; and when you think about it... even more people are offline - CCP needs to act now!!11!1) or
"consequence-free PvP" (right, free ships and clones was the very first point mentioned by the OP) or
"killing open world PvP" (exactly, no one would have any reason to fight over anything outside arenas anymore)

I'm really waiting for someone to explain that this would have a devastating effect on the economy or that the servers couldn't handle the load.
I think then we would have covered all of the usual reasons to hate an idea without really understand it...

Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:54:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga

"killing open world PvP" (exactly, no one would have any reason to fight over anything outside arenas anymore)


This alone is enough of a reason for me to not want it, am I scared it would do this? Yes, as I mentioned before, I played WoW, a game I honestly loved (PvP server, Skullcrusher) up until Burning Crusade. This gave me a couple months of time with the instances that had been introduced. By the time BC came out, it was obvious that World PvP was dead, and all changes being made to skills PvP-wise were because certain skills were underpowered or overpowered in instanced combat.

I left WoW, came back once during a free offer, and suffice to say, the only other game I've played since then besides Eve was Warhammer Online, which was great, because the World PvP was still strong along with the Instanced PvP. Though it slowly dwindled I'm sad to say, too much like WoW meant more leaving for the big Gorilla again.

I dont want Eve to turn into WoW Spaceships, and as I stated, I will sadly unsub my accounts. I wont go doomsdaying everything about it, I'll simply leave and move on.

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.03.18 17:58:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga
There's a remarkable lack of originality and imagination displayed in this thread.
Apparently most people are completely incapable of thinking of something they haven't seen already somewhere else.

That's the only explanation I have for people thinking of this as
"initiating arena PvP to prevent random PvP" (you really think this is a new game mode, instantly making you invulnerable?!) or
"I kill my alt for fame" (if you think that's a problem you should cancel your subscribtion right now - because you can do that already) or
"why can't other people interfere?" (you should go and cry about station trading, you are clearly denied a great chance to grab some loot) or
"hiding in the arena" (please start a thread to demand the removal of stations, it's obscene who many people are docked all the time; and when you think about it... even more people are offline - CCP needs to act now!!11!1) or
"consequence-free PvP" (right, free ships and clones was the very first point mentioned by the OP) or
"killing open world PvP" (exactly, no one would have any reason to fight over anything outside arenas anymore)

I'm really waiting for someone to explain that this would have a devastating effect on the economy or that the servers couldn't handle the load.
I think then we would have covered all of the usual reasons to hate an idea without really understand it...

I feel the same way about space orcs. It won't affect the economy, it won't imbalance pre-existing ships. It won't take away other people's reasons to do what they're already doing. So what are they waiting for?

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.18 18:18:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 18/03/2011 18:18:39
Originally by: Fkn Arson
Originally by: Ban Doga

"killing open world PvP" (exactly, no one would have any reason to fight over anything outside arenas anymore)


This alone is enough of a reason for me to not want it, am I scared it would do this? Yes, as I mentioned before, I played WoW, a game I honestly loved (PvP server, Skullcrusher) up until Burning Crusade. This gave me a couple months of time with the instances that had been introduced. By the time BC came out, it was obvious that World PvP was dead, and all changes being made to skills PvP-wise were because certain skills were underpowered or overpowered in instanced combat.

I left WoW, came back once during a free offer, and suffice to say, the only other game I've played since then besides Eve was Warhammer Online, which was great, because the World PvP was still strong along with the Instanced PvP. Though it slowly dwindled I'm sad to say, too much like WoW meant more leaving for the big Gorilla again.

I dont want Eve to turn into WoW Spaceships, and as I stated, I will sadly unsub my accounts. I wont go doomsdaying everything about it, I'll simply leave and move on.


I'm not sure if you are familiar with the concept of sarcasm.
But I actually meant there would be plenty of reasons for still doing open world PvP.
Like basically every content that is currently located in lowsec, nullsec or w-space.

I couldn't imagine someone yielding sovereignty because of (or even for) an arena fight.

But maybe I misunderstood:
Do you think having such a system would cause people to not want to shoot other people in lowsec, nullsec or w-space?
Considering some content is exclusive to those regions?

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.03.18 18:23:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga

Do you think having such a system would cause people to not want to shoot other people in lowsec, nullsec or w-space?
Considering some content is exclusive to those regions?

Trends in today's game market suggest yes.

Especially when you consider that all low sec really has going for it is open pvp.

Whimsical One
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.18 18:49:00 - [100]
 

Arena fights won't work in Eve.

The only 'fair' fight in Eve is one between players in identical ships with identical fittings and skills. Everything outside of that will create potential for gaming the system, and before you know it you'll have optimal fits that wouldn't be useful in sandbox PvP, and boom, you've split the playerbase. Cue masssive flamewars between players who arena PvP and those that don't, both attempting to defend the idea that their version is more 'real'.

It's a really terrible idea.

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.18 18:52:00 - [101]
 

Red vs. Blue.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.18 20:05:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Mister Smithington
Originally by: Ban Doga
There's a remarkable lack of originality and imagination displayed in this thread.
Apparently most people are completely incapable of thinking of something they haven't seen already somewhere else.

That's the only explanation I have for people thinking of this as
"initiating arena PvP to prevent random PvP" (you really think this is a new game mode, instantly making you invulnerable?!) or
"I kill my alt for fame" (if you think that's a problem you should cancel your subscribtion right now - because you can do that already) or
"why can't other people interfere?" (you should go and cry about station trading, you are clearly denied a great chance to grab some loot) or
"hiding in the arena" (please start a thread to demand the removal of stations, it's obscene who many people are docked all the time; and when you think about it... even more people are offline - CCP needs to act now!!11!1) or
"consequence-free PvP" (right, free ships and clones was the very first point mentioned by the OP) or
"killing open world PvP" (exactly, no one would have any reason to fight over anything outside arenas anymore)

I'm really waiting for someone to explain that this would have a devastating effect on the economy or that the servers couldn't handle the load.
I think then we would have covered all of the usual reasons to hate an idea without really understand it...

I feel the same way about space orcs. It won't affect the economy, it won't imbalance pre-existing ships. It won't take away other people's reasons to do what they're already doing. So what are they waiting for?


I'll take space orcs if thats what it takes to get an arena.

Tza Omi
Posted - 2011.03.18 20:17:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
The Alliance Tournament takes place once a year and is run by CCP as a COMPETITION. Thats right, its a competition that involves PvP, it is NOT the only way that combat takes place in EVE. This is a sandbox game, having PVP arenas as the only place where combat takes place would turn it into World of Warcraft in space.




I used to play WoW you obviously haven't world Pvp does take place in WoW at least on the servers where I played.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.03.18 20:21:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Tza Omi
I used to play WoW you obviously haven't world Pvp does take place in WoW at least on the servers where I played.


WTF does this even mean?

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.03.18 21:37:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
I'll take space orcs if thats what it takes to get an arena.

That makes me a sad panda.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.03.18 22:15:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Roosterton on 18/03/2011 22:17:46
Quote:


Why do you believe roaming for hours and coming up drying must somehow be a prerequisite to finding a fair fight? Because that's the way its always been? Well you know what else used to always be here? Learning skills, you don't see those anymore do you?

What I'm trying to say is I do not see a correlation between getting blobbed, roaming for hours, or anything when it comes to the actual moment of PvP. I would like to fight people, I would like those fights to happen in a reasonable timeframe, I would like those fights to be reasonably fair. I don't care if I win or lose but I pay good money for this game just as you do, I just don't feel that wasting hours to find a decent fight somehow enhances game play.

And you know what, its not like your form of pvp which you seem to have so much success with will suddenly disappear. People who like roaming will STILL roam. I've essentially given up roaming, for all intents and purposes you've already lost me as a potential "target" anyway, adding arenas doesn't remove me from your target pool because I'm no longer there anymore.



I'm pretty sure you're trolling by now. You can't compare useless learning skills to something major that will forever change how PVP can be played.

If arena PVP is introduced, open, sandbox PVP will become obsolete. That's just how it will work. Most of society is lazy, so a lot of people are going to choose the easier path - arenas. More people relying on arena PVP = Less people PVPing in the sandbox. Less people PVPing in the sandbox = Less fights to be had in the sandbox. Less fights to be had in the sandbox = more people going to the arena. It's a vicious cycle, until eventually everyone's resorted to the arena because sandbox PVP has become impossible, and non-arena PVP won't exist because everyone except the ruling EVE power will have switched to it, at which point, the top dogs who have nobody else to kill, will themselves switch to the arena. Then all of nullsec will be a big blue happy funland, all PVP is perfectly even and fair, and EVE is now nothing more than a WoW-clone.

Stop this idiocy.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:06:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
Edited by: Roosterton on 18/03/2011 22:17:46
Quote:


Why do you believe roaming for hours and coming up drying must somehow be a prerequisite to finding a fair fight? Because that's the way its always been? Well you know what else used to always be here? Learning skills, you don't see those anymore do you?

What I'm trying to say is I do not see a correlation between getting blobbed, roaming for hours, or anything when it comes to the actual moment of PvP. I would like to fight people, I would like those fights to happen in a reasonable timeframe, I would like those fights to be reasonably fair. I don't care if I win or lose but I pay good money for this game just as you do, I just don't feel that wasting hours to find a decent fight somehow enhances game play.

And you know what, its not like your form of pvp which you seem to have so much success with will suddenly disappear. People who like roaming will STILL roam. I've essentially given up roaming, for all intents and purposes you've already lost me as a potential "target" anyway, adding arenas doesn't remove me from your target pool because I'm no longer there anymore.



I'm pretty sure you're trolling by now. You can't compare useless learning skills to something major that will forever change how PVP can be played.

If arena PVP is introduced, open, sandbox PVP will become obsolete. That's just how it will work. Most of society is lazy, so a lot of people are going to choose the easier path - arenas. More people relying on arena PVP = Less people PVPing in the sandbox. Less people PVPing in the sandbox = Less fights to be had in the sandbox. Less fights to be had in the sandbox = more people going to the arena. It's a vicious cycle, until eventually everyone's resorted to the arena because sandbox PVP has become impossible, and non-arena PVP won't exist because everyone except the ruling EVE power will have switched to it, at which point, the top dogs who have nobody else to kill, will themselves switch to the arena. Then all of nullsec will be a big blue happy funland, all PVP is perfectly even and fair, and EVE is now nothing more than a WoW-clone.

Stop this idiocy.


Where did you order your crystal ball?

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:12:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 18/03/2011 15:32:49
Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Firstly, it is a bit immersion breaking. The idea for me is a bit weird in fitting with the back story etc.

But mostly, it's because the idea of eve for the most part is you create things. You create events. You create your wealth, your trade, your Empire, your scams etc.

So, with this in mind, Arena style pvp should be done via players organising events. Which already happens.

Red vs Blue for example, has a certain arena aspect, in that you can organise honoured 1 vs 1 fights. And that is just one of MANY examples of players getting together and forming this kind of situation.

Why should I have to build a tech 3? Why can't I buy it just straight from an NPC dealer. It isn't really any different.

That's why it breaks the Sandbox, because you are removing the responsibility of the players to create things, and want it done for you.


The Alliance tournament isn't immersion breaking? Nations IRL regularly get together and kill each other for sport with live ammunition right? Oh and they definitely broadcast it where everyone can see.

I keep using the Alliance Tournament as an example because its exactly what I want for EVERYONE ELSE, instead of those lucky select few once or twice a year.


So you picked up the one tiny small point about immersion and then proceeded to ignore the rest of the main body of my post. Which lets face it, is the surest answer you can get to shoving your arena idea right up your anus. There is no point in it because we can do it ourselves, which is the point of the sandbox. In fact, it's already in the game because people have already set it up, do some research and go participate.

If you want it for everyone else, go do the leg work yourself and set it up. Organise a league. Fraps or live stream the fights. EvE is what you make it. To artificially allow it as an in game mechanic, WILL have consequences which will detract from REAL pvp that goes on in high/low/null sec as it stands. It also detracts from the glory of the alliance tourney itself, alliances work hard on the run up with tactics, fittings and money to field the teams.

If you want it all consequence free, there is SISI, which would possibly be even easier to organise tournaments in yourself.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:12:00 - [109]
 

Quote:


Where did you order your crystal ball?


From every other game that has tried this and failed.

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:18:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
Edited by: Roosterton on 18/03/2011 22:17:46
Quote:


Why do you believe roaming for hours and coming up drying must somehow be a prerequisite to finding a fair fight? Because that's the way its always been? Well you know what else used to always be here? Learning skills, you don't see those anymore do you?

What I'm trying to say is I do not see a correlation between getting blobbed, roaming for hours, or anything when it comes to the actual moment of PvP. I would like to fight people, I would like those fights to happen in a reasonable timeframe, I would like those fights to be reasonably fair. I don't care if I win or lose but I pay good money for this game just as you do, I just don't feel that wasting hours to find a decent fight somehow enhances game play.

And you know what, its not like your form of pvp which you seem to have so much success with will suddenly disappear. People who like roaming will STILL roam. I've essentially given up roaming, for all intents and purposes you've already lost me as a potential "target" anyway, adding arenas doesn't remove me from your target pool because I'm no longer there anymore.



I'm pretty sure you're trolling by now. You can't compare useless learning skills to something major that will forever change how PVP can be played.

If arena PVP is introduced, open, sandbox PVP will become obsolete. That's just how it will work. Most of society is lazy, so a lot of people are going to choose the easier path - arenas. More people relying on arena PVP = Less people PVPing in the sandbox. Less people PVPing in the sandbox = Less fights to be had in the sandbox. Less fights to be had in the sandbox = more people going to the arena. It's a vicious cycle, until eventually everyone's resorted to the arena because sandbox PVP has become impossible, and non-arena PVP won't exist because everyone except the ruling EVE power will have switched to it, at which point, the top dogs who have nobody else to kill, will themselves switch to the arena. Then all of nullsec will be a big blue happy funland, all PVP is perfectly even and fair, and EVE is now nothing more than a WoW-clone.

Stop this idiocy.



THIS.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:30:00 - [111]
 

I'm a big fan of arens were I could go pvp when I'm in empire with fairish fights were I could put my ship on the line were I could login and have a fight easily I have many of my own ideas for this but thats beyond the scope of the thread.

I also think it would have a more positive affect on world pvp as it opend up the door for more trying it, differnce ebtween eve and other games is that there is something to fight over in eve unliek say wow were what ever you do in the world does not matter at all so there is little point in doing it.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:32:00 - [112]
 

Damn i would love to have bets on pilots for fights, even a new kind of isk maker doing bets. Also watching fights would be very interesting.

Derth Ramir
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:48:00 - [113]
 

if ccp ever implements lossless arena pvp i will personally start a private eve serverTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:49:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Derth Ramir
if ccp ever implements lossless arena pvp i will personally start a private eve serverTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Sigh...

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:52:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 18/03/2011 15:32:49
Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Firstly, it is a bit immersion breaking. The idea for me is a bit weird in fitting with the back story etc.

But mostly, it's because the idea of eve for the most part is you create things. You create events. You create your wealth, your trade, your Empire, your scams etc.

So, with this in mind, Arena style pvp should be done via players organising events. Which already happens.

Red vs Blue for example, has a certain arena aspect, in that you can organise honoured 1 vs 1 fights. And that is just one of MANY examples of players getting together and forming this kind of situation.

Why should I have to build a tech 3? Why can't I buy it just straight from an NPC dealer. It isn't really any different.

That's why it breaks the Sandbox, because you are removing the responsibility of the players to create things, and want it done for you.


The Alliance tournament isn't immersion breaking? Nations IRL regularly get together and kill each other for sport with live ammunition right? Oh and they definitely broadcast it where everyone can see.

I keep using the Alliance Tournament as an example because its exactly what I want for EVERYONE ELSE, instead of those lucky select few once or twice a year.


So you picked up the one tiny small point about immersion and then proceeded to ignore the rest of the main body of my post. Which lets face it, is the surest answer you can get to shoving your arena idea right up your anus. There is no point in it because we can do it ourselves, which is the point of the sandbox. In fact, it's already in the game because people have already set it up, do some research and go participate.

If you want it for everyone else, go do the leg work yourself and set it up. Organise a league. Fraps or live stream the fights. EvE is what you make it. To artificially allow it as an in game mechanic, WILL have consequences which will detract from REAL pvp that goes on in high/low/null sec as it stands. It also detracts from the glory of the alliance tourney itself, alliances work hard on the run up with tactics, fittings and money to field the teams.

If you want it all consequence free, there is SISI, which would possibly be even easier to organise tournaments in yourself.


The Alliance tournament is player created content? You can mention player created content till your face turns blue, that's CLEARLY not what I'm after. I want something OFFICIAL whats so hard to understand about that?

Addrake
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:11:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Addrake on 19/03/2011 00:43:47
War was supposed to be fun and fair !!

Seriously AT's are cool because they are actually fair fights as far as capital goes (most of the time), and skill/tactics win the day. If you had that in the actual game, you'd be implementing a rigid pvp system that has no place in a sandbox. One of the great things about Eve is that it allows basic human tendencies to exist in a virtual environment. We don't fight fair, its inefficient and actually wastes resources. This makes the AT a rare and wonderful event, as it should be.

If you want an Official rigid structure for pvp, please go elsewhere, that is contrary to what makes eve great.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:46:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Derth Ramir
if ccp ever implements lossless arena pvp i will personally start a private eve serverTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


I doubt there is many who want loss less arena's I want to put real ships and module sonline, or maybe a new ships/modules of shisp specific for aernas but that have value and are built by players.

Whimsical One
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:47:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Derth Ramir
if ccp ever implements lossless arena pvp i will personally start a private eve serverTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Sigh...
You apparently don't understand that PvP on-demand IS lossless. You lose absolutely no time getting a fight. What, you thought the game was only trying to simulate economic losses? Risk vs. reward applies to your time investment as well, sorry.

Go ahead and don't respond to this, as you haven't to any of the reasonable points you worthless troll.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:57:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Whimsical One
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Originally by: Derth Ramir
if ccp ever implements lossless arena pvp i will personally start a private eve serverTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Sigh...
You apparently don't understand that PvP on-demand IS lossless. You lose absolutely no time getting a fight. What, you thought the game was only trying to simulate economic losses? Risk vs. reward applies to your time investment as well, sorry.

Go ahead and don't respond to this, as you haven't to any of the reasonable points you worthless troll.


this is game not a job just because you have fun doingc rap all for hours except flying around does not mean its good game play. aernas would nto affect you except you 'd have to may waste a smidgen more time looking for a fight but you seem to like wasting time. It also has amny befits of introducing people to pvp and loss and may encourage them to fight over resources although i do admit ti could go other way with less small scale pvp about but I doubt it.

Katie Tanaka
Posted - 2011.03.19 01:22:00 - [120]
 

I don't see why an in-game arena would break immersion or the sandbox.

The concept of arena combat exists in many science fiction universes. e.g. Solaris VII in the BattleTech universe.

The parts which break immersion, like being magically teleported from wherever you currently are to the arena, are not a necessary core to the idea. You would require the characters be physically present in the system to participate.


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