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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.03.19 01:59:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Baaldor
I am seeing a bunch of you in need of meds, counseling or both.

You might have issues if.......

If you are not able to separate your RL from the game, you might have issues.

If you have to justify your morality by way of a video game, you might have issues.

If you have a code of conduct, and it is based of a fictional place and time, you might have issues.

If you have to prove your honor over the internet, because everyone thinks your creepy, you might have issues.


Agree 100%

This is the scariest thread in the history of EVE.

Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.03.19 02:07:00 - [302]
 

I have the opposite problem. EVE has affected my RL. Just the other day I was speeding and instead of pulling me over, the police spawned and blew up my car. Crying or Very sad

Alexander Third
Gallente
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Posted - 2011.03.19 02:59:00 - [303]
 

There are no morals in EVE, You just have to survive YARRRR!!

Jacqueline Dax
Caldari
Raiders of the Open Stars
Posted - 2011.03.19 03:10:00 - [304]
 

Edited by: Jacqueline Dax on 19/03/2011 03:11:12
I find that my Code of ethics in game and out are pretty similar

Exceptions, I can respond with force in game if I have to where as in the real world I will get sent to prison....
Reasons, Theft, Revenge, and Downright Stupidity (I hate Stupidity)

I do have a Code of Honor in game and out of game both are very similar and I tend to follow a do unto others mindset....

Munimentum
Posted - 2011.03.19 03:29:00 - [305]
 

I wonder...
If in RL
...you don't have to worry about going to jail for scamming
...there are bunch of folks who have less than a few months of experience in society and yet actively participate in economy
...and even in the worst scenario, you can alter into your another self identity to avoid punishment

how many people here will use "RL ethics and moral" in RL?
Put aside ganking, pirating and other stuff, scamming is just easier in EVE than RL.

Ozmodan
Minmatar
Massively Mob
Posted - 2011.03.19 04:02:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Baaldor
I am seeing a bunch of you in need of meds, counseling or both.

You might have issues if.......

If you are not able to separate your RL from the game, you might have issues.

If you have to justify your morality by way of a video game, you might have issues.

If you have a code of conduct, and it is based of a fictional place and time, you might have issues.

If you have to prove your honor over the internet, because everyone thinks your creepy, you might have issues.


Agree 100%

This is the scariest thread in the history of EVE.


I think the only thing scary about this thread is the inability of many of you to understand what a MMO is. True it is a fictional world, but you are dealing with human beings at the other end, it is not like a fps where everything starts over in the next game. When you can't recognize that fact, it means you really don't have a clue about playing a MMO at all.

So I think you need to sit down and think about what a MMO is and how you interact with other players. It really has nothing to do with real life in the slightest nor with having issues, but how you want to appear to the Eve community. BTW there is nothing wrong with roleplaying a despicable character, but I see few roleplayers in this thread, just people that just don't get it.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.03.19 04:06:00 - [307]
 

Quote:
I think the only thing scary about this thread is the inability of many of you to understand what a MMO is. True it is a fictional world, but you are dealing with human beings at the other end, it is not like a fps where everything starts over in the next game. When you can't recognize that fact, it means you really don't have a clue about playing a MMO at all.

So I think you need to sit down and think about what a MMO is and how you interact with other players. It really has nothing to do with real life in the slightest nor with having issues, but how you want to appear to the Eve community. BTW there is nothing wrong with roleplaying a despicable character, but I see few roleplayers in this thread, just people that just don't get it.


I don't really know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.

Snafu Hooligan
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:04:00 - [308]
 

In response to the topic at hand, my play style reflects the way I was raised for the most part. I am polite to most people and try not to get into fights. I am more of a diplomatic person and try to solve a problem before it gets out of hand and results to violence. In game, I am the same way. I was able to talk and deal my way out of a person blowing up my ship by building them a couple of new ships for the amount of the ransom instead. We then became friends and now work with each other in game for the mutual benefit to each other.
For those that act rude in game and attack others for whatever reason are often the same way in real life. They are basically "BULLIES".

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:16:00 - [309]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 19/03/2011 05:37:40
lol ethics
lol morality

you arent here for the huntin are you?

True though, this is a game where you interact with humans not npcs, though when they make a SP game where the npcs have the epic quality of tears this game does ill play that

Rawden
Gallente
Pacific Dawn
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:58:00 - [310]
 

When you play a game you don't besiege your opponent for weeks on end until he has lost years of earnings. In a game you usually start over again from the start with all your pieces.

I meet eve players in RL as friends and other players in gatherings. This I consider and others say, that eve is a community of different societies...

I reckon a ruthless cut-throat attitude is taking over eve, but I do want to keep a good standard of values towards other pilots. Why should I deviate from the lessons I have learned in RL?
The isk I have earned in eve is of great value to me, what I may steal, squander or bribe is only worth pixels on the screen in comparison.
How I act in front of a computer for hours on end will influence myself when AFK, I cant deny it...
Even if you live in denial, which many players in eve have made a living by running from,
I believe if it is terror you reap, it is terror what will consume you.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.03.19 07:16:00 - [311]
 

this attitude is taking over eve?

Taking over eve?

THIS...
IS...
EVE!!!!!!

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.19 09:23:00 - [312]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 19/03/2011 09:23:51
Originally by: Rawden

I reckon a ruthless cut-throat attitude is taking over eve



You are putting a lot of things together.

EvE is advertised as cut-throat so you know what you get into when you subscribe to it.

It's possibly true that newer players who have not seen how the big alliances formed (i.e. with cooperation and constructive projects that united thousands over one name) could be swayed by the forum warriors who preach all the possible nasty.
The same cooperation may be found even in 20 men low sec corps, all together working for a common end.
If that common end is blowing other guy's ships, well that's what a PvP game is for.

What some guys in here don't seem to get is that one thing is to PvP, to spar, to win on the markets (thus someone will lose).

Another thing is to have a jerky mood, to camp newbie systems with an HAC to basically spend hours making their life miserable. To scam people with a 800M piece of Carbon in place of a Charon (i.e. the big convenience was not even really here) and so on.
To infiltrate an alliance just to disband it.

Sure, those are all well supported mechanics, people (should) signup knowing they WILL happen.

This does not make the acts of the guys who do the above things less vile.

It's not just PvP in a PvP game the act of going to bump a guy in newbie frig trying to mine his 100 veldspar till he logs off. It's about being a big, smelly piece of sh!t.


Said that, there are a lot of well mannered and intentioned people in EvE and hopefully they won't fall for the "everyone is crap", "everyone has a price", "everyone is out to get you" tales.

Imagine that there are charities and people donating to them. In EvE!
I have started one myself and is going to gather 30 billions before March 31, in time to turn it to the PLEX for Japan CCP initiative.


Remember, doing bad creates a lot of noise. But it's not the majority.

Hermit Scion
Posted - 2011.03.19 10:05:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Tippia
If you get into EVE, you know exactly what you're getting yourself into: a game where scamming is part of the play book.


Just thought I'd quote this.

When I started playing EVE there was mention of a game with plenty possibilities like trading, building, PvE and PvP. That player has the choice.

However there was no mention of one-direction agreements (i.e. scamming, (suicide-)ganking) unless in defined areas (low / null / WH-space / wardec).

But back on topic:

I personally apply my ethics also in-game. I do find that since I am interacting with people I would indeed be a hypocrite if I did not treat them as real people (which they are). In offline games I sometimes make a playthrough with "disabled ethics" as to play it the way it is intended (cf. Fallout 2 - I loved the ambiguity of New Reno! And it was both fun to play through there as a hero or villain). In other MMOs I do some PvP but usually in PvP areas. Never seen it as a challenge or as fun to grief weaker players (like taking a lvl 29 char in WHO to the starting areas of the lvl 20-29 chapter). And scamming is a no-go for me, no matter the game.

Shilyndel
Posted - 2011.03.19 11:37:00 - [314]
 

I agree with the first guy. EVE online is a "game". The ones that can't make the seperation between rl and the game are the ones who say FPS caused Columbine Highschool incident. It's ridiculous to think that a person can't have a good moral background in rl and then **** and pillage in a game where it is rewarded, and that be ok. To be honest, I don't care about the can flipper or pirate's rl morals and values when he/she is doing what he/she does. I'm more concerned about the upcoming space fight!!! Which is what really matters!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.19 11:52:00 - [315]
 

Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
I have the opposite problem. EVE has affected my RL. Just the other day I was speeding and instead of pulling me over, the police spawned and blew up my car. Crying or Very sad


Petition it and say your overheating interfaced was bugged :p

Cerfari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.03.19 11:53:00 - [316]
 

i consider EvE a simulator not a game, where there is a reality to things that are just computerized and streamlined. I have gathered much knowledge that i can relay into RL from the use of this simulator, including but not limited to running a small business, radio ettiquet, and how governments work (or dont for that matter).

so with that last statement i would have to say that i relay my Real Life code of etthics into this game as well as out of it. I do feel that those that play this game differently than their own personal RL ettics are 'lettting the devil in' or 'being a goodie two shoes' depending on which side of the fence you are on.

*to tired in RL to do much in EvE*
Cerfari

Alexstrasza Moonglow
Amarr
Nihilists Social Club
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:02:00 - [317]
 

It's normal for different people to have different approaches to how their alter-ego behaves compared to themselves.

For example, I play games to escape reality. In reality, I'm the average Joe, with an 8 hour job, with a normal car and who doesn't do anything spectacular or illegal. I can't crash my car into someone who ****ed me off in traffic. I can't do drugs. I can't scam people without having legal repercussions haunting me...

In the game, I can be a successful miner, or a successful CEO... I can fly a ship and blast through the hull of someone who's stealing from my asteroids. I can use boosters and I can scam people who don't pay attention via contracts.

All these are common activities which even though they don't follow my IRL code of conduct or morality, are common for me to do in EVE. Why? Because this is why we play games. We don't play them in order to clone ourselves. We play them in order to escape who we are and to be whoever we wish we had been.

Of course, no doubt some people are perfectly fine with their own selves, so they try to be the same in the game. Is that something wrong? Of course not!

The most important thing to remember is that in the game you should be who you wish to be... not necessarily who you really are. After all, what is a "game" except an activity which is supposed to provide us with pleasure?

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:26:00 - [318]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/03/2011 13:05:27

Originally by: Alexstrasza Moonglow


For example, I play games to escape reality. In reality, I'm the average Joe, with an 8 hour job, with a normal car and who doesn't do anything spectacular or illegal. I can't crash my car into someone who ****ed me off in traffic. I can't do drugs. I can't scam people without having legal repercussions haunting me...

. . .


In the game, I can fly a ship and blast through the hull of someone who's stealing from my asteroids. I can use boosters and I can scam people who don't pay attention via contracts.




I think the movie "FIght Club" addressed this phenomena



Every last person on this earth is in fact someone else when they are released from any/all of their moral, ethical, social and perceptual binds. This is actually very basic stuff, and it's disturbing how many people do not understand this about themselves, and any given social population.


Eve provides an outlet for these tendencies, allowing them to manifest themselves in a digitally rendered environment free of all consequences. As time passes and MMO's develop further than EVE Online is presently, this effect may become even more pronounced over time.





But ofc, I Will Simply End With This:


"We all know that you, the reader, feel morally and ethically justified most of the time? Amiright? Even faced with others who feel equally morally and ethically justified with things that Directly Contradict your own standards, you are still able to "See The Light" over so many other lesser minds




Well paint me stunned Very Happy

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:53:00 - [319]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 19/03/2011 12:54:09
Originally by: Jacqueline Dax
I find that my Code of ethics in game and out are pretty similar

Exceptions, I can respond with force in game if I have to where as in the real world I will get sent to prison....
Reasons, Theft, Revenge, and Downright Stupidity (I hate Stupidity)

I do have a Code of Honor in game and out of game both are very similar and I tend to follow a do unto others mindset....


Well I'm a little bt different from you irl, whenever a scum trys to sh_it on my boots irl he gets my fist righ in he's scum's face, cops can send me the bill I'll pay and don't give a **** about it.
In the game all I can do is throw him some lightening pixels, this doesn't gives the scum any lesson about respect and that realy sucks.

This is all about, respect, the word that means nothing behind a screen and where pixels are the good excuse.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.19 13:18:00 - [320]
 

In my experience, internet hardmen are the ones who baw the loudest about losing their ships.

Alexstrasza Moonglow
Amarr
Nihilists Social Club
Posted - 2011.03.19 13:22:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: Alexstrasza Moonglow on 19/03/2011 13:23:43
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Every last person on this earth is in fact someone else when they are released from any/all of their moral, ethical, social and perceptual binds. This is actually very basic stuff, and it's disturbing how many people do not understand this about themselves, and any given social population.


It's a crude reality that IRL, all that we really uphold as "moral", "ethical" or even "religious" is based on factors like interests or even fear.

Why don't we stab someone in the face when they're being idiots? Because we don't want to go to jail.
Why are we nice to people, even if that's not always something we do out of pleasure? What goes around comes around.
Even most of our religious-driven behavior is mostly based on the fear of going to hell.

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2011.03.19 14:58:00 - [322]
 

I try to follow my real life code of ethics in-game. I actually strive to be better in-game. Why? It's the only code I know and feel comfortable with.

I once destroyed someone's ship unprovoked and felt terrible about it. I ended up refunding their ship and then some. I feel that vven though this is a game people invest their real life time in it.

Eve is not your typical game where you lose your stuff and simply respawn as it never happened. So I don't buy into the idea that it's just a game and nothing is lost. I suppose I value my time; yes, even my play time.

I also don't judge those that choose to PVP unprovoked. But I do believe that there seem to be quite a few players that do display sadistic personalities and go above and beyond destroying someone's in-game assets. I don't find that morally or ethically justified.


Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.19 17:32:00 - [323]
 

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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2011.03.19 19:48:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Ozmodan

I think the only thing scary about this thread is the inability of many of you to understand what a MMO is. True it is a fictional world, but you are dealing with human beings at the other end, it is not like a fps where everything starts over in the next game. When you can't recognize that fact, it means you really don't have a clue about playing a MMO at all.

So I think you need to sit down and think about what a MMO is and how you interact with other players. It really has nothing to do with real life in the slightest nor with having issues, but how you want to appear to the Eve community. BTW there is nothing wrong with roleplaying a despicable character, but I see few roleplayers in this thread, just people that just don't get it.


I'm not even sure that really makes sense tbh. There would be no point in any MMO or online game being competetive, even if it was co-op you would have to ensure people didnt slack and ruin someone elsesday.
Regardless of if you are simply a griefer and not actually roleplaying a "despicable character" the result is the same since the interaction result is all in game.



Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.03.19 20:53:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
I have the opposite problem. EVE has affected my RL. Just the other day I was speeding and instead of pulling me over, the police spawned and blew up my car. Crying or Very sad


Petition it and say your overheating interfaced was bugged :p

I did, but the logs didn't show anything. MadMad


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