open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked Eve in the news today
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.03.15 11:50:00 - [1]
 

Nice. Smile

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/14/6267669-video-game-giants-give-big-for-quake-relief

Quote:
...And the "EVE Online" community has begun a PLEX for Good: Japan fundraising effort. PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players which allows them to donate in-game currency to be "reverse redeemed" into real-world currency. Each donation through this program will be converted into cash currency and donated to the Red Cross.

Past drives have assisted the victims of the Haiti earthquake and flooding in Pakistan and, to date, "EVE Online" players have donated over $63,000 using this program. "EVE" players can follow this link for more information on how to give.


De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.03.15 12:50:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Nice. Smile

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/14/6267669-video-game-giants-give-big-for-quake-relief

Quote:
...And the "EVE Online" community has begun a PLEX for Good: Japan fundraising effort. PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players which allows them to donate in-game currency to be "reverse redeemed" into real-world currency. Each donation through this program will be converted into cash currency and donated to the Red Cross.

Past drives have assisted the victims of the Haiti earthquake and flooding in Pakistan and, to date, "EVE Online" players have donated over $63,000 using this program. "EVE" players can follow this link for more information on how to give.




Awesome sauce.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.03.15 12:59:00 - [3]
 

Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:17:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


You don't understand how Plex for Good works.
Every plex donated by players is 100% converted to cash, and all the money is given to the Red Cross. CCP has no overhead, it's the Red Cross that does, but there's very little that can be done about it.

Instead, CCP is spending a bit of manpower to manage this initiative, and at first sight they do it for free.
Of course, there are some good consequences for CCP from engaging in charity:

1. It makes them and the community looking good (and we deserve it);
2. It broadens the range of purposes PLEXes can be used for, thus making them more valuable, thus increasing the PLEX isk value, and encouraging people to buy isks through PLEXes instead of RMT sites.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized?


We give plex to CCP they give money to The Red Cross, i don't think it the efficiency ratings can get much higher.

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


We give plex to CCP they give money to The Red Cross, not really alot of funneling funds.

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:18:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


So people that have isk but no cash can help out by gaming harder.


Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


Read this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PLEX_for_GOOD

Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:27:00 - [8]
 

You are also missing one important part. Quite a few people wouldn't donate real money because they are short on cash themselves or don't know where to donate or are too lazy or whatever.. But its different with spacebucks.
A lot of people have more ISK than they can spend so a big PLEX donation won't hurt them as much as a big real money donation. PLEX for good raises money that would have never been donated otherwise.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:31:00 - [9]
 

Ok, I understand your points. But look at it like this.

The GTC is bought....a site gets a commission. The GTC is converted into plex (no tangible costs unless you want to consider part of the cost of your subscription as contributing to that cost). You give the plex back to CCP. No cost to you. But CCP has an employee, I assume to coordinate that. They have an accountant(s) who have to fill out paperwork which is generally burdensome if you've ever seen tax forms regarding charity and corporations. Then there's CCP's transaction costs that they say they're happy to absorb, yeah right. And then there's the Red Cross who actually has a high overhead as compared to other charitable organizations. Even still, it's more efficient if you just go ahead and make your check payable to the red cross and leave CCP out of it.

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:37:00 - [10]
 

A year worth of plex (350mil) cost you 4,2 so assuming you or your alliance have tens of billions in wallet even a years worth won't make huge dent in it.
So next time, how about giving to a charity instead of building/buying that shiny new SC or titan ? :]

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:39:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: dexington on 15/03/2011 13:40:35
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Ok, I understand your points. But look at it like this.

The GTC is bought....a site gets a commission. The GTC is converted into plex (no tangible costs unless you want to consider part of the cost of your subscription as contributing to that cost). You give the plex back to CCP. No cost to you. But CCP has an employee, I assume to coordinate that. They have an accountant(s) who have to fill out paperwork which is generally burdensome if you've ever seen tax forms regarding charity and corporations. Then there's CCP's transaction costs that they say they're happy to absorb, yeah right. And then there's the Red Cross who actually has a high overhead as compared to other charitable organizations. Even still, it's more efficient if you just go ahead and make your check payable to the red cross and leave CCP out of it.



CCP covers all the expenses so how can it be more efficient for me to just give money to The Red Cross?, i got more isk then i can use so the charity for me is free, how could it in any way be better to send real money?

Lord XSiV
Amarr
Kodar Innovations
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Camios
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


You don't understand how Plex for Good works.
Every plex donated by players is 100% converted to cash, and all the money is given to the Red Cross. CCP has no overhead, it's the Red Cross that does, but there's very little that can be done about it.

Instead, CCP is spending a bit of manpower to manage this initiative, and at first sight they do it for free.
Of course, there are some good consequences for CCP from engaging in charity:

1. It makes them and the community looking good (and we deserve it);
2. It broadens the range of purposes PLEXes can be used for, thus making them more valuable, thus increasing the PLEX isk value, and encouraging people to buy isks through PLEXes instead of RMT sites.



So you are lead to believe.

Seriously, without an independent third party overseeing and auditing this so called 'charity' function, it is highly unlikely that a commercial entity would actually go through with donating all, if any, of the proceeds. Remember this is a company that has a EULA that violates several countries property laws.

Besides, if you are stupid enough to hand over your money thinking it is for some good cause then you should give it to CCP. The reality is calamity is big business with the so called 'charitable' organizations raking in huge sums of revenue that is very nicely dispersed amongst the directors of the entity. And before you cry about some stupid 'laws' to prevent this, then tell me why it costs 50k for a box of bandaids that can only be purchased from a certain supplier?

Oh and it isn't like these so called 'victims' are going to be playing Eve anyhow so what's the point? And what responsbility are they taking on for living in those areas anyhow? It isn't like living in a densely populated area isn't a risk in itself.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:57:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV

So you are lead to believe.

Seriously, without an independent third party overseeing and auditing this so called 'charity' function, it is highly unlikely that a commercial entity would actually go through with donating all, if any, of the proceeds. Remember this is a company that has a EULA that violates several countries property laws.

Besides, if you are stupid enough to hand over your money thinking it is for some good cause then you should give it to CCP. The reality is calamity is big business with the so called 'charitable' organizations raking in huge sums of revenue that is very nicely dispersed amongst the directors of the entity. And before you cry about some stupid 'laws' to prevent this, then tell me why it costs 50k for a box of bandaids that can only be purchased from a certain supplier?

Oh and it isn't like these so called 'victims' are going to be playing Eve anyhow so what's the point? And what responsbility are they taking on for living in those areas anyhow? It isn't like living in a densely populated area isn't a risk in itself.



Screenie or it did'nt happen.. 0/10

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.15 14:20:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV


So you are lead to believe.

Seriously, without an independent third party overseeing and auditing this so called 'charity' function, it is highly unlikely that a commercial entity would actually go through with donating all, if any, of the proceeds. Remember this is a company that has a EULA that violates several countries property laws.

Besides, if you are stupid enough to hand over your money thinking it is for some good cause then you should give it to CCP. The reality is calamity is big business with the so called 'charitable' organizations raking in huge sums of revenue that is very nicely dispersed amongst the directors of the entity. And before you cry about some stupid 'laws' to prevent this, then tell me why it costs 50k for a box of bandaids that can only be purchased from a certain supplier?

Oh and it isn't like these so called 'victims' are going to be playing Eve anyhow so what's the point? And what responsbility are they taking on for living in those areas anyhow? It isn't like living in a densely populated area isn't a risk in itself.



I know where this comes from, but "Everybody steal" is not a valid excuse for not doing anything. Yeah, if you convince yourself that it's useless you have a good excuse to keep your money for yourself.

The Old Chap
Posted - 2011.03.15 14:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Ok, I understand your points. But look at it like this.

The GTC is bought....a site gets a commission. The GTC is converted into plex (no tangible costs unless you want to consider part of the cost of your subscription as contributing to that cost). You give the plex back to CCP. No cost to you. But CCP has an employee, I assume to coordinate that. They have an accountant(s) who have to fill out paperwork which is generally burdensome if you've ever seen tax forms regarding charity and corporations. Then there's CCP's transaction costs that they say they're happy to absorb, yeah right. And then there's the Red Cross who actually has a high overhead as compared to other charitable organizations. Even still, it's more efficient if you just go ahead and make your check payable to the red cross and leave CCP out of it.



Any charitable organisation incurs necessary overheads, its a fact of life. So you are saying it is better to not give at all?

If you don't want to give, or prefer to give via a different channel then that's fine. But others feel able to give using their isk converted to plex converted to cash. Their giving should be applauded, not chastised ffs.

Xylengra
Posted - 2011.03.15 14:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: dexington
...so the charity for me is free...


That's not really charity at all, now is it?

Don't get me wrong, I think the program is - meh - OK, but don't go claiming an mantle of 'charity' if what you give costs you nothing. This is the same rubbish that the Right has promoted for decades, if not centuries, that they are 'charitable' when they let the peasants have some crumbs.

Oh, I hear all the rabblerabble, but honestly, the article claims $63,000 given so far in total. That's not even enough to qualify for the label 'a drop in the bucket'. The only winner in this program is CCP, by the self-generated self-promotion.

Doctor Fambowski
Posted - 2011.03.15 16:01:00 - [17]
 

Confirming that people will complain about anything.

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.03.15 17:29:00 - [18]
 

I love the Plex for Good runs, they are one of the main reasons I play Eve.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:07:00 - [19]
 

Some of you are really idiotic. Some of you even appear to be paying a company you think is breaking internation laws, and some of you are sugggesting that they are stealing charitable donations. And for the total idiot that doesn't understand why some people donate via PLEX, maybe its because WE CAN'T AFFORD REAL LIFE CASH, there is that clear enough?

I can't afford to donate real life money so I work a little harder in game and buy a PLEX with isk and donate that, doing my bit however I can. While you come here and insult not only those of us who do give, but insult CCP for giving those of us who are RL poor a chance to do some good in this world. Go and share your opinion elsewhere, its not welcome here.

Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV

So you are lead to believe.

Seriously, without an independent third party overseeing and auditing this so called 'charity' function, it is highly unlikely that a commercial entity would actually go through with donating all, if any, of the proceeds. Remember this is a company that has a EULA that violates several countries property laws.


Are you actually saying that CCP is stealing charitable donations? Couple that with your assertion that CCP breaks international laws and you are calling CCP a criminal organisation. I think you need serious couch time with a special kind of doctor.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:18:00 - [21]
 

Quote:

Past drives have assisted the victims of the Haiti earthquake and flooding in Pakistan and, to date, "EVE Online" players have donated over $63,000 using this program. "EVE" players can follow this link for more information on how to give.



Quote:

Zynga also is donating 100 percent of the purchase price of some new specially-created virtual items that can be picked up in some of their games. "YoVille" players can purchase homes and furniture inspired by Japanese architecture and "FarmVille" players can plant a limited edition daikon radish crop among other things.

Zynga says players have already raised more than $1 million through the program.



kinda sad, isn't it?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:25:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kijo Rikki
kinda sad, isn't it?
Oh I don't know… If I remember the Zynga player count, it means EVE players are a bunch of mushy bleeding-heart softies considering how much we've given per person compared to those e-farmers… Razz

Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:27:00 - [23]
 

How ironic that the most corrupt and cheating online community is also the one who wants to donate the most money to a charitable cause.

Kim Kal
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:33:00 - [24]
 

this seems a good scheme for corp and alliance members to make a combined donation without any individual tied to a figure they might not be able to personally afford.

Any doing this?

X Omega
Posted - 2011.03.16 16:11:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Baneken
So next time, how about giving to a charity instead of building/buying that shiny new SC or titan ? :]

Because I come here to play. Just play. Not interested in hearing about the worlds problems for awhile.
Doesn't mean I don't care, or don't give, not at all...

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.16 16:19:00 - [26]
 

Would a similar number of people be in favour if the price to play was ramped up for a non-consensual donation to charity made by CCP on your behalf and there was nothing you could do to avoid it, even if you had already made substantial aid donations?

No, didn't think so.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2011.03.16 18:37:00 - [27]
 

Didn't read all posts but...
I think they should donate the money payed from buying PLEX out of game, as well as turning PLEX donated in-game in to cash. That would work two-fold:
Players wondering what EVE is all about could feel good about themselves by buying PLEX and starting a new account;
Players with lotsa time on their hands and no money can still donate.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.03.16 19:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Quote:
PLEX for Good is a charitable program started by the game's players


Why do we have to have the "charity drive" with Plex? Why not just give money to CCP directly? Or better yet, choose an organization that has it's efficiency ratings of overhead versus charitable contributions published and scrutinized? Honestly, a game is no place to start a charity drive!! You're actually wasting more money by using friggin plex, funneled through CCP, who then funnels it to some charitable broker who then funnels it to a charity.


That makes no sense.

If you want to donate money, then donate it directly to the charity organisation. Why give it to CCP first?

PLEX for Good on the other hand are meant for people who have lots of in-game money but only little out-of-game money. So they still can donate even though they have little to none spare money in real life.

And that is, if you think about it, pretty awesome!

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.16 19:21:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Xylengra
Originally by: dexington
...so the charity for me is free...


That's not really charity at all, now is it?


Confirming that this is not a real charity because the PLEX I mine myself is free.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.16 19:22:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 16/03/2011 19:23:35
PLEX for good is mainly a publicity stunt, so people can write articles and talk about how cool and thoughtful CCP/EVE Online Community is. The fact that article exists is proof that is working.

Second benefit is that is attempts to counteract all negative pres the OMFG botz, dev scandals, moongates generates.

Ed: Not saying its entirely an evil plot, but a lot of charity drives do have another motivation to gain goodwill for the donor organization



Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only