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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.14 02:51:00 - [1]
 

A while back I listened to drone bay or warp drive active(forgot which it was). They suggested that for getting around afk quickly that you put your mwd to the f1 spot and tape it down or put a weight on it.

It seems that no longer works. Was this an intentional change? Anyone know?

Doctor Noam Chomsky
Posted - 2011.03.14 03:43:00 - [2]
 

The new method de jour (if you're American) is to hire an illegal immigrant to press it for you. It works fine for me, but your mileage may vary.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.14 05:54:00 - [3]
 


Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.03.14 06:23:00 - [4]
 


Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar
Infinitus Sapientia
Hav0k.
Posted - 2011.03.14 06:57:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
http://variantavatar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/G15_CTG.jpg
Image changed to a link. Spitfire



Those got you banned in WoW I had heard. EVE they don't care?

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.14 07:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
http://variantavatar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/G15_CTG.jpg
Image changed to a link. Spitfire



Those got you banned in WoW I had heard. EVE they don't care?


Using G15 keyboards for key grouping is permitted.

P.S. And it's a mighty fine keyboard, if I might add.


Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.14 08:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Using G15 keyboards for key grouping is permitted.

P.S. And it's a mighty fine keyboard, if I might add.


Spitfire,

I believe Hieronimus Rex was referencing the ability to make a keyboard macro which pulses a button, without player interaction.

The WoW reference is because in WoW it is illegal to control your character's change in movement without you pushing a button. That particular keyboard can be programmed to pulse the "jump" button* in WoW every so many seconds without interaction (after the first push.) This meant people would go AFK without the game kicking them off after so many minutes. I believe that this use (pulsing) of the keyboard is what Hieronimus Rex was wondering about.

*(or any other movement changing button.)

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.14 08:36:00 - [8]
 

That is not allowed. To quote GM Lelouch:

Quote:

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated.



Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.14 08:50:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
That is not allowed.


Thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated. :)

Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.03.14 09:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cearain
A while back I listened to drone bay or warp drive active(forgot which it was). They suggested that for getting around afk quickly that you put your mwd to the f1 spot and tape it down or put a weight on it.

It seems that no longer works. Was this an intentional change? Anyone know?


We have AFK timers in game? Since when?

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.03.14 09:49:00 - [11]
 

The best guideline to the automation question I've found is this: If the action initiated by the keyboard macro/shortcut/whatever takes longer than 5 seconds to execute, it's no longer a convenience. This is hardly official, but it seems reasonable: There's no benefit to automating something that short -- you'll have to sit back down in your chair again before it's done Cool

Mrs Snowman
Posted - 2011.03.14 10:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mangala Solaris
Originally by: Cearain
A while back I listened to drone bay or warp drive active(forgot which it was). They suggested that for getting around afk quickly that you put your mwd to the f1 spot and tape it down or put a weight on it.

It seems that no longer works. Was this an intentional change? Anyone know?


We have AFK timers in game? Since when?

Yea im confused too ugh

CCP wont put in afk timers because they dont want anything to stop their PCU from growing, which essentially means the PCU is a fraud, but thats another subject =]

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.14 11:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mrs Snowman
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
Originally by: Cearain
A while back I listened to drone bay or warp drive active(forgot which it was). They suggested that for getting around afk quickly that you put your mwd to the f1 spot and tape it down or put a weight on it.

It seems that no longer works. Was this an intentional change? Anyone know?


We have AFK timers in game? Since when?

Yea im confused too ugh

CCP wont put in afk timers because they dont want anything to stop their PCU from growing, which essentially means the PCU is a fraud, but thats another subject =]
The OP is asking about activating propulsion modules during the 15km autopilot window.

Mrs Snowman
Posted - 2011.03.14 12:09:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Noun Verber
The OP is asking about activating propulsion modules during the 15km autopilot window.
aah I see, thanks for clarifying

Estel Arador
Posted - 2011.03.14 12:15:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Noun Verber
http://www.7gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/30815-21c.jpg


I'm gonna get one of those! Cool

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.14 12:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mrs Snowman
CCP wont put in afk timers because they dont want anything to stop their PCU from growing
More because legit AFK gameplay mechanics exist in Eve. Autopilot, fleet boosting, sitting cloaked at a gate, etc, don't require that a player touch their controls to be useful applications of the client.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.14 12:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mrs Snowman
Originally by: Noun Verber
The OP is asking about activating propulsion modules during the 15km autopilot window.
aah I see, thanks for clarifying


Yeah that is what I was talking about. But it doesn't work anymore. I wasn't sure if this was an intentional change. I'm still not sure of that.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.14 14:48:00 - [18]
 

I think the afk logout timer comment was about WOW, it has such a timer and people get around it by use of a simple macro. And then get banned.

Lors Dornick
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:08:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Cearain
A while back I listened to drone bay or warp drive active(forgot which it was). They suggested that for getting around afk quickly that you put your mwd to the f1 spot and tape it down or put a weight on it.

It seems that no longer works. Was this an intentional change? Anyone know?


Isn't this very likely to be one of several similar changes that happened when the new keyboard/shortcut handling was introduced?

The client now process each key press/release (and mouse clicks) directly and independent instead of a combo (ie, the client reads "ctrl down, mouse left down, mouse left up, ctrl up, instead of ctrl-left click down/up).

Needed for to get all the new and adjustable shortcuts possible.

But a bit annoying when you are running two clients since you can't hold down ctrl and then click several targets in both windows in one sequence. You have to release ctrl, click in the other window, then press control again to continue targeting.

A somewhat qualified guess is that a similar thing happens when there's a session change of some kind, like a system jump.

And while it's annoying when stuff is changed that 'breaks' earlier practices I personally would call then new behaviour "working as intended".

IM(nv)HO.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.14 18:41:00 - [20]
 


I drive down to the park in my van, and just "Recruit" a young person to work for me and press my keys


Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.14 19:32:00 - [21]
 

If you think about it, that stupid "hey mechanics will never change so feel free to use a macro" rule is the reason botters get away with botting.

I mean really whats to stop a guy from saying, oh dont mine me I just have 50000 ice miners working at the same time by using the G15.

Brb creating 50 million bots G15 accounts Rolling Eyes

Kuhn Arashi
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2011.03.14 19:59:00 - [22]
 

I have a G15, but I only set up program hotkeys to start eve and such, too lazy to actually make it do other key presses.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.14 22:50:00 - [23]
 

Using Synergy to clone mouse movements across multiple computers is allowed? interesting.



Originally by: CCP Spitfire
That is not allowed. To quote GM Lelouch:

Quote:

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated.




Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.03.14 23:47:00 - [24]
 

Synergy doesn't clone mouse movements, or it never used to anyway, it allows you to use one keyboard and mouse on multiple computers with their own monitors, like a KVM but over ethernet/wireless.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.03.14 23:55:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kuhn Arashi
I have a G15, but I only set up program hotkeys to start eve and such, too lazy to actually make it do other key presses.

It's handy to group modules that can't be grouped otherwise, like point+web or hardeners.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.14 23:58:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Titus Phook
Synergy doesn't clone mouse movements, or it never used to anyway, it allows you to use one keyboard and mouse on multiple computers with their own monitors, like a KVM but over ethernet/wireless.


Yeah and it's the most amazingly awesome piece of software ever, really do love being able to KVM so quickly.

I have heard it can be configured to clone all mouse movements to other computers, basically the same function it does already but without the screen edge switch.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.15 00:07:00 - [27]
 

While we are on the topic is the logitec extreme 3d pro legal?

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/joysticks/devices/291

Thanks.

Titus Phook
Posted - 2011.03.15 18:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dr BattleSmith

Yeah and it's the most amazingly awesome piece of software ever, really do love being able to KVM so quickly.

I have heard it can be configured to clone all mouse movements to other computers, basically the same function it does already but without the screen edge switch.


You're right Synergy is an awesome piece of software if you're running multiple machines.

I didn't know that it was possible to clone the mouse and keyboard clicks/movements so I'm going to look into that.
I use it to dual-box sometimes, and cloning mouse/keyboard use would be so handy when running 2 clients in a fleet configuration. I think we need more clarificaton from CCP on if that is a legitimate use of Synergy or not

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.03.15 21:33:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Oddymandius
Originally by: Mrs Snowman
CCP wont put in afk timers because they dont want anything to stop their PCU from growing
More because legit AFK gameplay mechanics exist in Eve. Autopilot, fleet boosting, sitting cloaked at a gate, etc, don't require that a player touch their controls to be useful applications of the client.


Also there's the fact that being AFK on the server doesn't really affect server performance (unless you are in Jita, or a major fleet fight). EVE was designed so that there are very few resources needed to "maintain" a logged in status. I recall that some ISPs actually would automatically disconnect EVE players who go AFK because the network connection wouldn't show any activity and the ISP would time it out.

MadMuppet
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
That is not allowed. To quote GM Lelouch:

Quote:

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated.



This player has been reported for posting GM conversation in the forums. ;)


-M



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