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Dariell Brook
Gallente
Rock jockeyz
Dignitas.
Posted - 2011.03.12 12:42:00 - [1]
 

hello eve community! First forum post so please be gentle Confused

So, moon mining, I have read everything I can find on here, but i just wanted to make things clear in my head. I am looking at moon mining in low sec (not null) and I am wanting to get to complex reactions. I just wanted to check if my logic here is right.

assumption 1 - you can't do complex reactions AND the simple reactions AND the mining from one moon, you need several pos, small I imagine, to mine resources from different moons, then you bring them together at one pos to "react" them.

assumption 2 - from experience, the suvery probes can't be claimed back, they are a one shot use?

assumption 3 - if assumption 1 if correct, then the profit from these will have to fund several pos, not just one.

assumption 4 - you can't easily find moons that you can mine everyting for even a simple reaction from, so if a complex reaction requires four resources you will in all probability need four pos.

Assumption 5 - it is possible to do complex reactions in low sec, it may take time to find the resources but, you can actually do it.

if anyone can sanity check these assumptions and set me straight would appreciate it muchly.

Ta,

Dariell.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.12 12:54:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 12/03/2011 12:55:06
Originally by: Dariell Brook
assumption 1 - you can't do complex reactions AND the simple reactions AND the mining from one moon, you need several pos, small I imagine, to mine resources from different moons, then you bring them together at one pos to "react" them.

False. You can mine one or even two resources from one moon, run one simple and one complex reaction and import all the other materials. All that (just barely) fits on a Caldari large tower.

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assumption 2 - from experience, the suvery probes can't be claimed back, they are a one shot use?

True.

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assumption 3 - if assumption 1 if correct, then the profit from these will have to fund several pos, not just one.

True. You always have to pay for fuel for all of your towers (duh).

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assumption 4 - you can't easily find moons that you can mine everyting for even a simple reaction from, so if a complex reaction requires four resources you will in all probability need four pos.

If you really do want to mine every single basic material you need to make whatever complex mineral you need, possibly. However, that is a really, really, really bad idea.

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Assumption 5 - it is possible to do complex reactions in low sec, it may take time to find the resources but, you can actually do it.

It is possible to do complex reactions anywhere you can anchor a complex reactor, and the only difference in how dificult it is is how bad the logistics are.

Dariell Brook
Gallente
Rock jockeyz
Dignitas.
Posted - 2011.03.12 13:07:00 - [3]
 

ok, thanks for that, sarcasm aside lol, I meant that i would need to make sure the profits covered fuel for all of them and that i did need to run multiple pos, didn't explain myself properly :o)

wrt to assumption 5, again I wrote this wrong i think, what i meant was, can you find the resources to do complex reactions in low sec, or is this one of those eve mantraps where you have to get some stuff from null to do any complex reactions.

also, interesting comment about "a really bad idea" on mining everything....I guess what you are getting at is it is possibly better to simply buy some of the resources to do the complex stuff as some of it is a pain the proverbial to mine anyway and pretty cheap, which makes absoloute sense but didn't occur to me, so thanks for that.

Again, if you could sanity check what I have just said, would be much appreciated.

Ta,

Dariell.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.12 13:15:00 - [4]
 

Moon mining and moon reactions are two completely different areas. You can slap a large tower on the first empty moon you find in a 0.4 one gate from empire, bring in simple stuff from Jita, turn that into complex stuff, sell in Jita again and make a decent profit. Or you can get a fleet and try to take over a moon with valuable goo on it, put up a miner, a silo, and a bunch of guns, and hope the big guys won't look your way for a while.

You can of course run a reaction on a moon with a good resource already, which will turn your tower into a true ISK printing machine. However this is by no means necessary, and the fitting required to run reactions does not allow for a large amount of passive defenses - so you should have a fleet or two on standby in case someone else wants that moon too.

As I said before, trying to gather all the moon minerals to make some advanced commodity is futile. Not only are the different basic minerals often found in completely opposite regions of space, but also consider this. Let's say you need to make A and B, which combined turn into C. Now let's say the reaction for A brings in 50 milion per month, and the reaction for B brings in 25 mil per month. Why not just wire both towers to make A, sell the excess in Jita, buy all the B you need, and make yourself an extra 25m? Or even better, if the C reaction makes 100m/month, why not just run that on all three towers, import both A and B, and not worry at all about mining and defending good moons?

Dariell Brook
Gallente
Rock jockeyz
Dignitas.
Posted - 2011.03.12 13:36:00 - [5]
 

wow, yes, good point...hmm, time to sit in jita with a calculator and get my head around all this.

thanks a lot for your quick and helpful responses :o)

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.03.12 14:27:00 - [6]
 

As a devotee of Roman history in general and Julius Caesar in particular I must say I approve wholeheartedly of your Alliance name. Also you're being given great advice here in this thread by Abdiel, someone who actually appears to understand opportunity cost, (a rarity).


Canti Ludan
Verrocchio Workshop
Posted - 2011.03.13 16:08:00 - [7]
 

One other thing you may want to look at is the ability to not mine and simply by your mats and react. You can make some fairly decent profits doing this and not worry about locating a decent moon, or defending it either if some one else has ideas.

I have 3 POS's doing this and turn a tidy profit by watching market trends.


 

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