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GURISTA SHEWOLF
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.12 11:34:00 - [1]
 

There is great advantage in having 2 account and even greater advantage if you can have 2 clients running on 2 screens. i'd like to ask PVPers to share their setups and tactics they use and are effective in Dual Boxing.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.12 11:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 12/03/2011 11:43:17
Er, don't use 2 fragile/attention-dependant ships. E.g. frigs, or active tanks in pvp. 1's ok.

Try to pair them to work well together, or at least help each other get away (recons work well here). 2 of the same usually isn't the best thing to bring for small gang stuff, though 2 dps BCs or HACs makes a nice backup team if they're not being depended on to scout/tackle.

I alt+tab, corpies have said window mode works well. I think there's a difference in efficiency if not alt+tabbing between XP and Vista/7 if you're using those. I like to blame my ATI drivers and eve client for making the switching eventually become too slow for combat/flying shiny stuff, and a quick reboot/drop to 1 client is needed.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.12 11:58:00 - [3]
 

Falcon and DPS ship

Third acct would be T3 ganglinks

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.12 12:44:00 - [4]
 

Apart from the obvious covops/DPS pairing...

Main flies DPS (cane/Sleip/whatever), alt flies Curse - well he did before I got rid of him, training up another now.

That way the alt stays cloaked and out of it until required. If targets friends turn up or you need to kill an active tank then the alt decloaks and does whatever is appropriate.

People will tell you that the Curse isn't a great ship for dual-boxing. If you ALWAYS involve the alt in fights then I'd agree. If you only use the alt for extra DPS/neuting or GTFO purposes when his friends arrive then a Curse is simply superb.

I've deliberately not mentioned RR alts as I have never used the alt for that. Obviously that'd be a pretty powerful option.

Asp IV
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.12 14:23:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Asp IV on 12/03/2011 14:23:00
It takes about 90 days to train a falcon alt.

Jim Tudeski
Posted - 2011.03.12 16:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Asp IV
Edited by: Asp IV on 12/03/2011 14:23:00
It takes about 90 days to train a falcon alt.

A worthwhile Falcon alt will take more than double that amount of time.

Milky Wimpshake
Posted - 2011.03.12 22:11:00 - [7]
 

Several dual box options:

DPS dealer and EWAR.

Cov-ops scout and Brawler (often used for scouting expensive / slow ships like battleships.

Dual recons, not so big on the dps but the right mix can disable opponents nicely (I tried Rapier/Arazu with great success).

Tank and DPS... engage with the tank first then go to town with the DPS dealer. This can enable cheap ships to overcome a blob and kill at least some of their expensive ships before you go down. Showcased brilliantly in Garmonation 7.


Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.12 23:54:00 - [8]
 

Yeah, cheap low investment solo: buffered-traditionally-dps-fit ship + all-out-dps-fit-usually-crap-primary ship
Very expensive & SP intensive solo: cov ops cloaky interdiction nullified unprobable scanning bonused ganglink t3 + active tanked t3.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.12 23:56:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 12/03/2011 23:59:35

I've been doing quite a bit of combat dual boxing lately because it's a way I can expand my target base with out having to run a gang or join one.

As other have mentioned, Falcon alt can be one of the more beneficial ways to dual box 2 combat alts but it's also semi lame depending what you are engaging. (ie if you attack a single BC with a BC then jam him up)

On the other hand, I once fought a Proteus, Hyperion, 2 Guardians & a Drake with a Falcon and a Shield Gank cane. I was neuting 1 guardian, jamming the other as well as the 3 active combat ships. The fight ended in zero kills (gurdian warped out in structure because my primary target was the T3 and I wasn't letting go of it) regardless I took on 5 ships with 2 and still held on the field for a short time as their re-enforcements starting coming in (2 more BC's). Was a pretty fun fight regardless if no one died.

Meaning scalability the Falcon and let you do some crazy things but you are pretty much limited to how many ships you can keep jammed, because anything you can't jam will almost certainly go after your falcon. If the ECM is forced off the field your primary combat ship is almost certainly going to be lost.


I also dual box a Arazu & a Bomber which is typically paired up with a friend whom dual boxes a Rapier with a Bomber. (very effective gang for null sec/WH). Sometimes we change out the Bombers for Drakes.

The last option is dual boxing a pair of HML Drakes, personally this is my favorite option as it allows me to fight a decent range of targets with out risking a ton of ISK if things go wrong.. Typically thanks to the range Drakes have if things do go wrong I normally only lose one ship as the other can typically get away.

You really want to stay away from dual boxing frigs or anything that takes a lot of attention. (IE I wouldn't try to dual box 2 Canes for example, but 2 Drakes are pretty easy to manage)

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.13 03:59:00 - [10]
 

Perfectly skilled Logi Alt or Perfectly Skilled Falcon Alt?

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.13 11:30:00 - [11]
 

Depends if you're feeling lucky, in your fittings and in actually getting the jams in even if you have the right racial mix. Reps work, ewar against them is finite and counterable (close range if damped, use cap booster, etc), but can't get you out if you find you need them unless you're deagressing. Also can't warp cloaked unless a T3 with short rep range. Sigh, probably falcon then.

Vixisti
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.13 15:54:00 - [12]
 

Came across a Dram pilot the other day who constantly uses a Kitsune/Falcon alt. I thought that combo was pretty lame personally because of Dramiel AND Falcon...

Dual boxing can be fun but you really need to have a decent setup for it to be really effective ie two screens. It's possible to dual box in a window or alt tab but it's harder and you're more likely to screw up.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.03.13 16:06:00 - [13]
 

Dualboxing is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.

GURISTA SHEWOLF
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.13 21:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Dualboxing is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.


Whats more pathetic is BLOBS ...

knentil
Posted - 2011.03.13 22:57:00 - [15]
 

Eve in general is pathetic now that Ive seen trailers and screen shots for star wars the old republic, black prophecy and JumpGate Evolution.


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.03.13 23:09:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 12/03/2011 11:43:17
Er, don't use 2 fragile/attention-dependant ships. E.g. frigs, or active tanks in pvp. 1's ok.



this and what i find works best and prodives best results:

2x slow damage dealers like BS or bc
1x logi, 1x buffer dps
1x ranged, 1x t3/command bonuses+probes
1x covops with probes, 1x whatever, preferably normal solo ship
1x dps solo ship, 1x falcon
2x recons pref rapier and rook/arazu (not great against decent ehp)
2x snipers at different snipe spots

everything else is to hard to consentrate on in medium gangs, 2v2 or small gangs you can get away with more demanding ships.

Lynx Australis
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.03.14 10:20:00 - [17]
 

Two stealth bombers with three damps and TP. Bye bye bots.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.14 11:36:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: GURISTA SHEWOLF
i'd like to ask PVPers to share their setups and tactics they use and are effective in Dual Boxing.


For ganking ratters in 0.0, I use a Dram/inty for making the initial tackle with a stealth bomber to provide DPS. It works pretty well for the most part. Good at getting yummy loot out too.

Scimi + Sleipnir/Loki/Hurricane is something one of my corpmates does, apparently he "mains" the Scimi, manually flying to keep it out of danger while hullbumping and applying DPS with the combat ship.

I predict it will end in tears for him soon enough.

Hurrakan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.14 12:45:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: knentil
Eve in general is pathetic now that Ive seen trailers and screen shots for star wars the old republic, black prophecy and JumpGate Evolution.

I somewhat agree but sadly Jumpgate Evolution has almost definitely been cancelled. I tried the Black Prophecy closed beta and I didn't really like it. TOR will probably be awesome but I think it's a very different game to Eve.

Demolishar
Posted - 2011.03.14 15:06:00 - [20]
 

Ganglink alt. Gives you an edge without making things hectic.

knentil
Posted - 2011.03.15 01:21:00 - [21]
 

Its sad enough that solo pvp is nearly impossible due to poor game mechanics, but now you need to have other accounts help you win?

Well I guess Im not surprised I always knew there was no actual skill required to play eve.

Damag3d6oods
Posted - 2011.03.15 05:31:00 - [22]
 

Quote:
Its sad enough that solo pvp is nearly impossible due to poor game mechanics, but now you need to have other accounts help you win?

Well I guess Im not surprised I always knew there was no actual skill required to play eve.


Because flying multiple accounts effectively requires no skill?

Diesel47
Posted - 2011.03.15 13:18:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Dualboxing is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.


yes.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.15 15:20:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 15/03/2011 15:20:31

Originally by: knentil
Its sad enough that solo pvp is nearly impossible due to poor game mechanics, but now you need to have other accounts help you win?

Well I guess Im not surprised I always knew there was no actual skill required to play eve.


You apparently have never tried fighting 5 to 6 ships at a time while dual boxing 2 combat alts, if you think no skill is required to do that you are very naive. Dual boxing doesn't just mean ganking easy targets.

It is also a way to expand your capabilities to further expand your target range. Of course it makes it easier to gank a single ship, but this is EVE..

How you choose to use a dual box set up is much the same as how you choose to solo.. You can run around in a Dram or Cynabal acting all uber ganking easy targets or you could fly in a Rifter or Vexor going after tough targets.

It's just all a matter of how "you" choose to fly, and soloing or dual boxing makes very little difference because there can be a challenge in both. Personally I find it much more challenging to actively fly two combat ships at the same time, but to each their own.

Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2011.03.16 03:20:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Dualboxing A falcon alt is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.


FYP

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.16 04:50:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 16/03/2011 04:54:47

A few little known UI customisation menus.

* Cap dial can be placed top or bottom.
* Target Origin point can be moved.
* Targets can be aligned vertically or horizontal.

http://pax-group.com/imgs/screenlayout1.jpg
http://pax-group.com/imgs/screenlayout2.jpg
http://pax-group.com/imgs/target_origin.gif

Important "keep you alive" stuff can be seen on both clients regardless of which is top.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:10:00 - [27]
 

Some of my best fights have been in taking some random T1 gank ship up against a ship I ought to lose horribly against, and run interference / extra web / ECM on an another account.

Anyone who thinks it's easy flying 2 fragile ships (glass cannon and frig support) ought to give it a go and let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Nothing gets the adrenaline pumping more, IMO ugh

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:32:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 16/03/2011 04:54:47

A few little known UI customisation menus.

* Cap dial can be placed top or bottom.
* Target Origin point can be moved.
* Targets can be aligned vertically or horizontal.

http://pax-group.com/imgs/screenlayout1.jpg
http://pax-group.com/imgs/screenlayout2.jpg
http://pax-group.com/imgs/target_origin.gif

Important "keep you alive" stuff can be seen on both clients regardless of which is top.



I always have the targets immediately above the HP/cap/etc. It helps to prevent target fixation which in Eve is all too easy.

Nice layouts there for multiple windows though Smile I tend to have one client on each monitor - the only time I'd use 3 clients or more is if I'm running a personal cyno chain.

STONED OPERATOR
Posted - 2011.03.17 18:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Diesel47
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Dualboxing is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.


yes.


anyone tried 3 screens as in TRIPLE BOXING?

AIRWARF
Posted - 2011.03.17 20:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: STONED OPERATOR
Originally by: Diesel47
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Dualboxing is pathetic.

You should feel pathetic.


yes.


anyone tried 3 screens as in TRIPLE BOXING?


I have had up to 4 clients up at a time on my machine... for mining ops lol. unless you are in a large fleet i dont see how one could actively pay enough attention to all accounts to be efficient.


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