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Halphas
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.03.11 08:28:00 - [61]
 

I hope on the next Fanfest we'll be able to buy a flying mount Rolling Eyes




Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.03.11 08:48:00 - [62]
 

Or at least a personal stripper, if you dont like animals.

Mrs Snowman
Posted - 2011.03.11 09:18:00 - [63]
 

Will you also be uploading videos onto Youtube?

Only im in the middle of moving homes and have no internet connection at all :(

Kalum Ra
Posted - 2011.03.11 09:50:00 - [64]
 

It's a shame that u charge 20 bucks for viewing the HD Fanfest-Stream!

If you want to give player the chance of requiering cash-shop items before Incarana is released, do not bind it to a Stream-Feed!

Cor'len
The Silence of Thunder
Posted - 2011.03.11 09:55:00 - [65]
 

Since I rarely have time to watch live stuff, the utility of this is somewhat questionable.

However, if you would sweeten the deal with QUALITY downloadable copies of everything when Fanfest is over (or in the middle, or whatever - just not three months later), I'd be happy to shell over even a couple PLEXes for that. I'm not going to bother setting up a stream-ripping rig just for this. Yes, a stream dump will be enough if it doesn't have dropped frames.

Yes, I know you're going to upload it to youtube later on. Youtube, well, kinda sucks.


-Cor

CCP Loxy

Posted - 2011.03.11 11:26:00 - [66]
 

Hey everyone, obviously there are a lot of questions floating around which Im more than happy to answer. First Id just like to say that Ive been involved with EVE Tv for many years now and the team that makes it happen and I still consider this a show "by the players for the players".

Fanfest differs significantly from the Alliance Tournament, the equipment needs and man power are on a completely different scale and requires a much larger budget to pull off. In previous years weve mostly recorded Fanfest and not gone live at all, in 2009 for the first time in a few years we went live for a few hours on the Saturday afternoon.

This year we really wanted to go all the way and bring you an awesome broadcast. Weve invested in more equipment (which will also benefit the Alliance Tournament) and hired a huge professional team for the event. Simply put this costs money to do and the sale of the HD stream is primarily to make this possible.

As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.

We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if its in SD or HD. Either way its you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.

Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?


I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.

I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.

Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..


All I can say is were aiming for this to have a very high production standard. Well have a dedicated team of around 15 people working on EVE TV to make this as good as possible.
Anyone who watched the last Alliance Tournament in HD that is essentially the quality of the stream youll be getting. Our last feed went very well and we hope to improve on that even further. That said we cannot guarantee the quality of the internet during the event or your own connection.

Originally by: Jupix
Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...


All the presentations will be available on our YouTube channel within a week of Fanfest in HD, this includes all the presentations that didnt make it into the live show.

Originally by: godly gringo
why are you not showing Thursday of fanfast on the stream


The Thursday is traditionally the meet and greet day of Fanfest so the live show content would be a bit light. Well be recording everything on all days and a few select presentations from Thursday will be broadcast on the Friday and Saturday.

Originally by: Mrs Snowman
Will you also be uploading videos onto Youtube?
Only im in the middle of moving homes and have no internet connection at all :(


All the presentations will be on YouTube within a week of Fanfest. As others have asked this we currently have no plans to offer direct downloads of the presentations.

arcyaxiom
Posted - 2011.03.11 11:34:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip



It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!

If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Evil or Very Mad Don't go that path.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.11 11:37:00 - [68]
 

Offtopic posts removed.

This thread is intended for the discussion of CCP Loxy's dev blog; please keep it on topic.

CCP Loxy

Posted - 2011.03.11 11:53:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip



It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!

If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Evil or Very Mad Don't go that path.


We have no plans to do any such thing.

arcyaxiom
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:03:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip



It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!

If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Evil or Very Mad Don't go that path.



We have no plans to do any such thing.


\:D/ xx

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:14:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 11/03/2011 12:14:29
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip



It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!

If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Evil or Very Mad Don't go that path.


Don't worry, a micro transaction will show up in some form for the AT. It may not be paying for HD but they will sneak one in there.

Edit: PLEX for BEHIND THE SCENES CONTENT!

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:25:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 11/03/2011 12:25:17
Originally by: CCP Loxy
Originally by: arcyaxiom
Originally by: CCP Loxy
snipsnip



It sounds like the scale of this is way beyond previous years, congrats for that. Given the size of the thing you are hoping to produce this year I think 1 plex is probably reasonable, just hope it goes smoothly or there'll be quite some backlash!

If you even think of charging for the alliance tournament HD stream though .. Evil or Very Mad Don't go that path.


We have no plans to do any such thing.


I think I remember there were no plans do have any microtransactions for anything.
That was of course before someone developed such a plan...

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:27:00 - [73]
 

watching the SD-stream: Free
watching the HD-stream: 1 plex
watching Chribba streaking the podium and mooning the public: priceless Laughing

Levitikon
Constructive Influence
Northern Associates.
Posted - 2011.03.11 12:56:00 - [74]
 

Loxy:

1. For 20 stream of content that's going to be free afterwards, it needs to be MUCH BETTER THAN AT HD broadcast.
I have 20mb/s connection and many people have much better pipes at their homes. We really expect Blu-Ray quality streaming here. A 'Youtube-level' 2mbit stream with poor encoding (h264 basic profile, wtf?!) will NOT cut it. For 20, I expect epicness.

You will need separate ULTRA-HD option. I'm thinking 1920p, with least 10-15mb/s bandwidth on decent codec. It will create a lot of extra publicity and since you will have stanrard HD stream as well, it doesn't matter if only part of populace will be able to see it.


2. Youtube HD sucks for content with text, presentations, etc (it's only 2mbit, so there will be horrible blocking artifacts). Waiting a whole week to see content you paid for sucks EVEN MORE. Please provide high quality downloads for people who paid immediately after broadcast. It's not hard. It can be done by one person and you have 15 guys on project. Having to wait a whole week is just offending.


3. Lastly, provide option to buy the stream without stupid ingame shirt. I find idea of paid hi quality streaming to be great, but I will not pay for it if it will be used to validate some dev dumb claims about vanity item micro transactions. If you want to gauge true interest in vanity items, the only fair way is to provide two options - with and without t-shirts. The other one can be cheaper, or just give small amount of money to charity.

Kalum Ra
Posted - 2011.03.11 13:17:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: CCP Loxy

As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.


this is a poor excuse, just because another company charges a (higher) fee on a convention-stream for a (crappy) game, you don't have to do the same.

Originally by: CCP Loxy

We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if its in SD or HD. Either way its you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.


Define value please. Is it the value of money or the value of valuable information? ;)
And if you want to know, how we (the community) like the information about fanfest and AT (you might go to http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES?blend=1&ob=5 and just check the "vieved xxxx times" info), for this you don't need to charge any Money or similar.

Originally by: CCP Loxy

Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?


I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.

I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.


yes and there are people how make millions of dollars a year. (if you would have to pay to view a connvention from home, would you consider to go to fanfest instead? or migth it bring more people to fanfest in person if the stream would be for free?)

I doubt that the stream (sd or hd) will be able to bring the feeling of fanfest to our homes (isn't it a "small" difference to attend to a rockconcert, beeing in the crouwd poging or sitting at home an watching it on TV?)

Originally by: CCP Loxy

Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..


All I can say is were aiming for this to have a very high production standard. Well have a dedicated team of around 15 people working on EVE TV to make this as good as possible.
Anyone who watched the last Alliance Tournament in HD that is essentially the quality of the stream youll be getting. Our last feed went very well and we hope to improve on that even further. That said we cannot guarantee the quality of the internet during the event or your own connection.


Heard this one not long ago, while the Wordchampionship in Germany, the hd-stream worked fine till the game startet ;)

CCP Loxy

Posted - 2011.03.11 13:44:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy

As someone has mentioned in this thread already, a certain company that rhymes with Lizzard charges $40 for the stream of their convention. While if you use a PLEX you can view our stream for purely in-game currency.


this is a poor excuse, just because another company charges a (higher) fee on a convention-stream for a (crappy) game, you don't have to do the same.


It's an example of having to charge for such a service, this is not a cheap thing to do and if we want to do it we have to charge for it. I hope you can see the differences in price show we're not in this to make money.

Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy

We intend to bring you an awesome show and we really hope you enjoy it if its in SD or HD. Either way its you the viewers that make EVE TV what it is and shows CCP how much value it has to the community, so your support is very important to us.


Define value please. Is it the value of money or the value of valuable information? ;)
And if you want to know, how we (the community) like the information about fanfest and AT (you might go to http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES?blend=1&ob=5 and just check the "vieved xxxx times" info), for this you don't need to charge any Money or similar.


It's the viewer numbers and interaction that let us go to management and say lets do x and players will love it. This Fanfest we're trying to up the production level and bring you the event live, if there isn't interest in it then we might not be able to do it next year.

Originally by: Kalum Ra
Originally by: CCP Loxy

Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?


I think the price is fair in my opinion. The 20 Euros is purposely a little higher than the cost of a PLEX so if youre an active subscriber I would recommend going the PLEX route, and while the free stream will be fine to watch and listen to for a while if you intend to settle in for a marathon session on the Saturday I would definitely recommend the HD stream.

I also want to point out here that people are paying thousands on flights, hotels and tickets to come to Fanfest in person, so this is a small cost with that in mind to get a part of the Fanfest experience.


yes and there are people how make millions of dollars a year. (if you would have to pay to view a connvention from home, would you consider to go to fanfest instead? or migth it bring more people to fanfest in person if the stream would be for free?)

I doubt that the stream (sd or hd) will be able to bring the feeling of fanfest to our homes (isn't it a "small" difference to attend to a rockconcert, beeing in the crouwd poging or sitting at home an watching it on TV?)


I'm not exactly sure what the question here is but again to bring you this service we have to charge for it. The other option is we don't do a live show at all and we put the footage on YouTube later which we're doing anyway.

So either way it's the same thing, if you can't make it to Fanfest but you do want to watch the stream then there is now an option for you. If your happy with watching the recordings on YouTube then we'll have those up as soon as we can after the event.

Originally by: CCP Loxy

Originally by: Jupix
Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..


All I can say is were aiming for this .... {trimming this because I'm out of characters for this post}


Heard this one not long ago, while the Wordchampionship in Germany, the hd-stream worked fine till the game startet ;)


We expect much lower viewer numbers of this in HD compared to the last tournament so we're very confident on our side. However as I've said the overall Internet is out of our control but we'll be doing our best to support viewers if any issues arise.

Motriek
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:04:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Shoo Dae
Unless I missed it somewhere, it doesn't sound like the video will be cached or downloadable after the fest. I'd pay for the HD but there is no way I can watch it while it is live... I have to work during most of it. I'd want to watch it at my leisure for a few days afterwards. In order for me to buy into this, I'd need to see some kind of declaration from Level 3 or CCP that the videos will be available afterwards at the fanfest website or somesuch. (say... in 1 hour increments or sorted by presentation theme)

Watching it live is just not workable.

The T-shirt is cute, but not worth it.




This. Would pay, can't watch live. Want it in HD.

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:12:00 - [78]
 

Making this available for PLEX is a great idea. I will consider buying it once I figure out if I will have the time to actually watch the stream as it happens.

That's my biggest issue with a live broadcast - I can't decide myself when to watch it, and I have a busy RL life going on. But then I guess there's youtube...

DmitryEKT
Clandestine.
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:27:00 - [79]
 

Loxy, you've answered many questions but ignored perhaps the most important of all:

Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?

This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.

CCP Loxy

Posted - 2011.03.11 14:40:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: DmitryEKT
Loxy, you've answered many questions but ignored perhaps the most important of all:

Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?

This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.


It's going to be 720p, we're actually pretty close to 1080p but we still have a few bottlenecks in the pipeline to work out first so we're not going that far this year.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.03.11 14:55:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Aerieth
Wow so much griping! I would be extremely ****ed if there wasn't a free option but there is, so the way I see it there is no excuse.

Broadcasting HD live is expensive! So having to pay for HD when there is a free SD option is not underhanded or evil or malicious in any way.

Also everyone saying "Wah, CCP is trying to make more money!" ... YES THEY ARE, THEY ARE A BUSINESS! They were nice enough to throw a free exclusive in-game item for the purchase of the HD stream. You aren't paying for the shirt, you are paying for the stream with extra incentive. Thank you CCP for being a company that knows how to not go belly up so I can keep flying my internet spaceships. I will be purchasing my HD stream.


This said it all allready, I think we can all stop talking now and buy our HD acces, or not.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.03.11 15:15:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 11/03/2011 15:16:29
Paying for HD will cut-off from the stream huge part of whiners with bad connection so they will not overload the bandwidth for the others. I remember complains from the last AT8 from this people: "I have 512kb mobile 3G internet but my HD stream is totally bad!!! I blame CCP for this!" Oh really, guys, "**** or get off the pot".
Now everyone will think twice before paying money and connecting to HD stream.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.03.11 15:27:00 - [83]
 

I still think 20 bucks is insane for an ephemeral product like a live broadcast. If you have to ask for that much to make it feasible, you went overboard with the scale of it. Ofc you don't know yet how popular your hd pay tv will actually be, but that's again a reason to start smaller.
Will the HD files at least be available for free after the event?

Cryten Jones
Gallente
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.11 15:33:00 - [84]
 

Hi Loxy,

If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?

Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)

-CJ

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.03.11 15:42:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: DmitryEKT
Is "HD" going to be 720p or 1080p?
This will be the deciding factor for me as to whether to buy in or not, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.

Consider that even pro 1080p cameras have an effective detail resolve way below 1000 lines. So downrezing the 1080p output in the postpro chain is fine. Unless, of course, the tv staff will be running around with digital cinema cameras like Red and Alexa, which is highly unlikely...

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:07:00 - [86]
 

I want to pay with a plex, though my account management says i don't have any... Even though i really have 2 sitting in my hangar at the moment. What gives?

Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:09:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
I want to pay with a plex, though my account management says i don't have any... Even though i really have 2 sitting in my hangar at the moment. What gives?


You have to reverse redeem them.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:10:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Jupix
Don't you think 20 euros is a bit steep for just a higher res version of a free broadcast?

Especially since there's no guarantee it's going to be up, or good quality (as in sound mixing)..

Will there be recorded HD vids of the panels afterwards? Might pay 99 eurocents a piece on iTunes for those...


Blizzard peons paid 40 for it ;p

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:25:00 - [89]
 

Awesome.

As always, I'm sure the internal video production team shall be working their guts out to deliver such a huge event. The fact that this year it shall be live is a massive undertaking and can only imagine the lengths and breadths of dedication this will require in bringing it all together.

I wish you all the best of luck and look forward to tuning in.

Kudos,

AK

CCP Loxy

Posted - 2011.03.11 16:31:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Cryten Jones
Hi Loxy,

If I purchase the HD Feed do I have to watch it 'live' or will it have 'PVR' style features where I can watch and pause at my own time scales?

Happy to pay for the HD as I can't be there..but can't spend the day watching my PC for the same reason....eg kids :-)

-CJ



We're looking into adding that feature but I can't say for sure now. We are also considering replaying the whole feed at the end of the day if that is of interested to people?


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