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Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2011.03.06 14:39:00 - [31]
 

a bonus to AFK missioning will never happen get over it.

Dazram Two
Posted - 2011.03.06 14:48:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: To mare
a bonus to AFK missioning will never happen get over it.



Please point to where I said I wanted this.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.06 14:54:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Originally by: To mare
a bonus to AFK missioning will never happen get over it.

Please point to where I said I wanted this.
Here:
Quote:
Why not give it a bonus to Energy Destabilizers or up it's drone bonuses. Maybe give it more drone damage or allow the use of one or two extra drones?
Whether it was your intention or not, that's what you suggested.

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2011.03.06 14:57:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
So it's got bonuses for hybrids and drones...

Yet in PvP you never see Dominix using it's gun slots. It's usually Energy neuts and drone link augmentors.
Nearly everyone fits Neuts nowadays - not just Domi pilots. Seen plenty of Domi fits with rails or blasters fit so I'd suggest your assumption is wrong. I've not seen too many with drone link augs 'cept sentry drone fits which are usually for POS bashes. In those cases it's probably because the pilot hasn't got more grid to fit guns and has thrown it in to mean he can use his sentries from further out.

Originally by: Dazram Two
And in PvE the hybrid turrets generally serve as a damage support for your drones.
It doesn't matter, the boat isn't just for PvE.

Originally by: Dazram Two
What's the point of having Hybrid bonuses?
Because it means that those that like to use rails or blasters get more out of them, increasing their DPS and meaning they don't have to rely exclusively on the drones for DPS.
Originally by: Dazram Two
Why not give it a bonus to Energy Destabilizers or up it's drone bonuses. Maybe give it more drone damage or allow the use of one or two extra drones?
You could ask 'why would you' as well. Plenty of ships use Neuts but you're not fighting the case for them. It has a drone bonus already, so why add more and make it rely exclusively on drones by default and reduce it's versatility.

Originally by: Dazram Two
I'm interested in other peoples thoughts on the subject. And please...I want to see a constructive conversation on this. Try to tone down the flaming.
Haven't flamed - just offered my opinions on why I don't think your suggestion is worth anything more than a passing consideration. In other people's post, they've done the same and you've flamed them so keep your response to this post civil won't you now?

Originally by: Dazram Two
Thanks.
You're welcome.Smile

VannyDaCruz
Posted - 2011.03.06 15:41:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
I know this idea will probably get shot down, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about remove ALL it's current ship bonuses and give it the ability to field 5 fighters perhaps?

What about a bonus that reduces the CPU and Power needs for a drone control unit?

A bonus that increases range on Energy Vamp/Destablizers?



Are you high?

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.03.06 16:08:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Sai Hai


In PvE if you compare Domi to others - Domi will loose to Mael, Raven and many others. I'm talking about being able to complete missions fast.
Sure Domi makes and good mission runner, but it takes ages to complete missions. There are many situations when you can't use sentries. It's takes 40-45 seconds for heavies to get to the target while Raven will kill 2 BS in that time.



So 900dps isn't enough dps for you, how fast your raven does missions then, one volleys a BS after BS ? Rolling Eyes
And why on earth would you use heavies anyway when sentries do way more damage, oh yeah you need to hurry to the gate.
Also I have yet to find a mission where I can't use sentries.

Dazram Two
Posted - 2011.03.06 17:33:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Dazram Two
Originally by: To mare
a bonus to AFK missioning will never happen get over it.

Please point to where I said I wanted this.
Here:
Quote:
Why not give it a bonus to Energy Destabilizers or up it's drone bonuses. Maybe give it more drone damage or allow the use of one or two extra drones?
Whether it was your intention or not, that's what you suggested.


I never specifically stated I wanted the bonuses to benefit AFK missioning. If they do, then it's simply a side effect I didn't intend.

But please. Show me where I said " I want a bonus to afk missioning."

(pro-tip: I didn't)

Dazram Two
Posted - 2011.03.06 17:39:00 - [38]
 

Ahhh forget it.

I'll try another forum where people are actually open minded when it comes to new ideas.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.06 17:43:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Ahhh forget it.

I'll try another forum where people are actually open minded when it comes to new ideas.
People are fairly open-minded here. You just need to provide a good reason to wreck a perfectly working (and rather popular) ship…

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2011.03.06 17:58:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two


I'm interested in other peoples thoughts on the subject. And please...I want to see a constructive conversation on this. Try to tone down the flaming.

Thanks.

Rolling Eyes

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.03.06 19:05:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Ahhh forget it.

I'll try another forum where people are actually open minded when it comes to new ideas.


Good luck with that. The problem isn't the lack of open-mindedness here, it's the initial problem analysis you did. The fact that a ship is often fit against one of its bonuses is, well, fine. It happens all the time. So often that it is no longer (if it ever was) seen as an impetus for change. So: problem number one in the OP is that a need for the proposed change was not clearly identified.

Problem number two is more general and can be summarized succinctly: balancing drone boats is a *****. If you've sat down and seriously thought this through you'd very quickly see why. However, your shotgun suggestions -- many of which highly problematic -- pretty much scream that you haven't put said thought into the ideas -- and people who have tend to view the whole line of argument as fapping rather than something serious.

But hey. If all that is being closed minded, fine. I guess I count then.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.03.06 19:38:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Ahhh forget it.

I'll try another forum where people are actually open minded when it comes to new ideas.
Nothing wrong with new ideas, your just happen to be terrible.

You want to boost the drone damage bonus on the domi instead of giving it a rail bonus? My 1100 DPS 425mm rail domi would not like that change I think Confused

That said I think the people whining about afk missioning need to chill a bit, as balancing something like that is trivial.

Let's say that you give the domi a bonus that allows it to fit DCUs (which I would LOVE btw, the fact that THE drone BS uses the same number of drones as everyone else is annoying to say the least). Add a line of code that says something along the lines of:
if (drone_control_unit_count > 0):
drones.set_mode(passive)
There ya go, afk missioning does not get a boost, the domi's drones do.

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.06 19:51:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
I know this idea will probably get shot down, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about remove ALL it's current ship bonuses and give it the ability to field 5 fighters perhaps?

What about a bonus that reduces the CPU and Power needs for a drone control unit?

A bonus that increases range on Energy Vamp/Destablizers?



You are an idiot who has never flown a dominix.


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