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Korg Leaf
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.03.08 11:44:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: pussnheels
Real men tank armour, a shield tank is that red bar above my armour tank


Im sorry but your only a Real Man when there are two red bars above your tank

ScheenK
Gallente
Constantine.
Posted - 2011.03.08 14:34:00 - [32]
 

is this the actual loki farseer? or did u buy this account recently ?

Nathan Wynn
Posted - 2011.03.08 16:35:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: pussnheels
Real men tank armour, a shield tank is that red bar above my armour tank


Wrong. Real men Hull Tank, don't you read the competencies? Twisted Evil

Brotha Lynch Hung
Posted - 2011.03.08 16:36:00 - [34]
 

There is some merit to the OP, although it sounds like he's too stupid to know exactly what that is.

All Caldari fleets would solve the main problem with using Caldari ships in mixed fleets, which is not enough CPU to use shield reps on the non-Caldari ships. People have realized this, which is why we have Drake blobs now.

Other issues, like the Scorpion being more effective when armor tanked, and the Caldari's typical lack of mobility, still make other fleets more balanced. There doesn't seem to be any lack of idiots willing to sit at a Drake fleet's optimal and throw down with them, so there's plenty of people willing to whine about it.

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:07:00 - [35]
 

Fun Fact: Caldari players are the only ones that actually take race seriously in this game.


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:26:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: ScheenK
is this the actual loki farseer? or did u buy this account recently ?


This was actually my thought too... Laughing

-Liang

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2011.03.09 06:32:00 - [37]
 

Shields, Eve's own way of saying "hey i'm target painting myself".

Dkamanus
Posted - 2011.03.09 15:18:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Fredfredbug4
Fun Fact: Caldari players are the only ones that actually take race seriously in this game.




And we like every inch of it!Twisted Evil

On a more serious note, I still prefer Caldari for PvP. I use a drake which does have a decent buffer + Locking modules. Its quite hard to actually fit everything in a way that makes the Drake usable for Solo, but it can be done.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.09 16:48:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Shields, Eve's own way of saying "hey i'm target painting myself".



Armor, EVE's own way of saying, "Hey, I'm webbing myself."

Zyress
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:49:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Typical Caldari mindset...

Wouldn't the "typical Caldari .. " involve throwing ISK at the problem by hiring a bunch of mercs to do the fighting for them? .. just askin' Very Happy


No rival corporations would have a competitive bidding war for the contract then form a blue ribbon committee to investigate the ramifications of blotting out the sun in the geo-political landscape of the universe.

Lord's Servant
Amarr
Hard Rock Mining Co.
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:52:00 - [41]
 

I just want to chime in and point out that I believe F900 or who/e the original owner of Loki Farseer was sold it/her a while ago.

The individual speaking is simply a bit of a noob who doesn't understand pvp at this stage in the game. My guess is older carebear, too much isk, buys pvp char, and wants to pvp. Props for making the attempt m8, but theres a reason conventional wisdom exists.(Really not trying to put you down, just giving advice in my typically bittervet abrasive manner)

If you really wanna learn, then try flying different types of ships (something your char can do) with traditional fits. If you do really well with one thing, and suddenly find that you could improve it, then by all means go for it. Simply EFT whoring out numbers doesnt help or do anything. (Also, keep it cheap, t1 cruisers/bcs until you learn the basics m8, even "unlimited" isk tends to burn out after a while, again I'd know *shudders over t3 losses across multiple chars*)

Also, to all the amarr bashers....Amarr is used on a daily basis. My alliance quite literally flies Abaddon/Guardian fleets on a daily basis, in what many of you empire dwelling carebears would call "huge fleet fitez."

Each race has their own advantages and disadvantages, no one race would come out on top if everything was equal. I'd know, I can and have flown every race in game. Only exception are minmatar supercaps, and all race titans. (I'm talking on the real server, not some cute lolfest on Singularity)

Good luck to the OP in learning to pvp, and I highly suggest at least learning based on conventional wisdom.

-Lords

Srioghal moDhream
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:15:00 - [42]
 

I honestly think, aside for the sig radius factor, that the only reason armor is more popular then shields is because CCP made it so that 3 of 4 races can use armor effectively on most of their ships. Where as only 1 of 4 can use shields. True some minny ships use shields and a small handful of amarr.

But these are less common because since they have ships that can use armor it was better to use them so that everyone in a gang was using same defense.

If they had made it an even split 2 races used strictly armor with a few small exceptions and 2 races used strictly shield with a few small exceptions then the game would have turned out differently.

However, since the majority of ships can effectively use armor it is more prudent to go that route, and that is exactly what the masses did. It has never been a question of whether or not one is better then the other, it has always been a matter of what is easier to get everyone into the same defense type.

Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
Posted - 2011.03.10 16:17:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
I honestly think, aside for the sig radius factor, that the only reason armor is more popular then shields is because CCP made it so that 3 of 4 races can use armor effectively on most of their ships. Where as only 1 of 4 can use shields. True some minny ships use shields and a small handful of amarr.

But these are less common because since they have ships that can use armor it was better to use them so that everyone in a gang was using same defense.

If they had made it an even split 2 races used strictly armor with a few small exceptions and 2 races used strictly shield with a few small exceptions then the game would have turned out differently.

However, since the majority of ships can effectively use armor it is more prudent to go that route, and that is exactly what the masses did. It has never been a question of whether or not one is better then the other, it has always been a matter of what is easier to get everyone into the same defense type.


Armor was more popular because it allowed you to fit more E-war and utility mods where as shield tankers are always short of mid slots. To get this utility in there mid slots though they give up damage.

Shield is more popular now due to its ability to get in and out of fights easier therefore meaning you can gank your opponent and run before the blob arrives.

noldevin
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:54:00 - [44]
 

Real pilots can use both types of tank and know which situations to apply each. They also know that you don't always have to tank a ship the way it was intended: for instance, the Ishtar.
The Ishtar is a great armor drone boat for pvp, but if you slap a passive shield tank on it, you gain one of the best serpentis/guristas pve boats in existence.

The scorpion is another example, and you can fit a decent shield brutix and myrmidon as well. Hurricanes can do well with either tank type.

It all depends on what you need the ship to do.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.03.11 17:18:00 - [45]
 

Shield tanks are wonderful for PvE. PvP not so much because you have to sacrifice tank if you want to be able to hold anything down on your own. Also shields have the distinct disadvantage of, once the enemy pushes you past 33% recharge you will pop relatively quickly.

Armor tanks usually fool alot of people into thinking they're doing good, then they hit armor. And the armor tankers get a good guage of the kind of dps they're facing before they hit the meat and potatoes of their defense. And they don't have to sacrifice their tank to put webs and points in their mids.

The only other advantage to shield tanking would be in reps, I think shield repping happens at the start of a cycle as opposed to armor repping which happens at the end of a cycle, so its easier to catch a guardian pilot off guard with target switching then it is a scimitar pilot.

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.03.12 03:52:00 - [46]
 

Draek Army vs Hellcats....

Gligan
Posted - 2011.03.12 15:21:00 - [47]
 

armor tank is another way of saying "limp noodle dps", "speedy as a tortoise with rheumatism", "agile as a pregnant sperm whale".
There's an expression "dumb as a rock"...well I think you know where I'm going with this post :P


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