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Droidster
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:10:00 - [1]
 

I was putting up some orders yesterday in Jita and the competing traders modified their orders above me almost instantly. This would seem to suggest that players are using some kind of automated mechanism to scan the markets and modify their orders. What is the proper reaction to dealing with this situation?

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:11:00 - [2]
 

I find it funny when I outbid an or order within seconds of it being placed because I just happened to be looking at the item at the time. I think "this guy will think I'm a bot now, I'm sure as hell gonna keep an eye on it and do the same to him again later" ..

How do you deal with it? Lots of ways .. bahahahaha.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:12:00 - [3]
 

Yes, but i doesnt mean the one 0.01 isking you is actually a bot.


Adian Grey
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:13:00 - [4]
 

Yes some do, no some don't. There really are 0.01 ISK Warriors out there. Friend of mine keeps 100-200 orders going at all times and by the time he gets to the bottom, he goes back up to the top and repeats.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:15:00 - [5]
 

Whether its a bot or not doesn't affect the time it takes him to outbid you, just how often he does it. Bots experience the same lag that you do when pulling up orders and have the same 5 minute limit, the only difference is how long they can keep it up.

That being said if you find a bot, petition it.

People get banned and all their isk deleted for it, unlike mining bots that get a slap on the wrist (if that).

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:17:00 - [6]
 

First of all, there are automated trading programs, to get that out of the way.

That said, I have a feeling 99% of the reported cases are just from regular traders who are actively watching the market window. Instantaneous updates usually mean the competitor simply has the item window up in front of them, and can spot any undercuts immediately.

tldr; it's probably not a bot, don't petition it. If it is a bot (unlikely), try and take advantage of it and manipulate its big/sell price.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:41:00 - [7]
 

Quote:

Bots experience the same lag that you do when pulling up orders and have the same 5 minute limit



Fractional orders don't have any 5 minute limit.
Back at my trading time I make people e-rage because I kept 7-8 orders on the same item, immediately killing theirs.

Droidster
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tutskii
That being said if you find a bot, petition it.


Well, there are two problems. One is that in the case from last night the item was expensive so I did not want to fill the other guy's order to find out who it was, so how do I petition a guy if I do not know who it is?

The other issue is, how do I know it was a bot? From watching the orders carefully over a period of time it appeared that there were two competitors. One had just one order and appeared to be manually updating it. The other seemed, the automated one, seemed to have 3 orders for the same good that it was moving in tandem. However, this is just an educated guess on my part.

Droidster
Posted - 2011.03.02 19:45:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: mechtech
Instantaneous updates usually mean the competitor simply has the item window up in front of them, and can spot any undercuts immediately.


This is not true. You do not immediately see an undercut. You have to explicitly refresh the trade window and do a new query to check.

Bek Thyron
Posted - 2011.03.02 20:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Droidster
Originally by: mechtech
Instantaneous updates usually mean the competitor simply has the item window up in front of them, and can spot any undercuts immediately.


This is not true. You do not immediately see an undercut. You have to explicitly refresh the trade window and do a new query to check.



Settings -> Automatically refresh market data -> Checkbox on.
Tadaaaa! Its magic, ladies and gentlemen, MAGIC!!

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Bek Thyron
Originally by: Droidster
Originally by: mechtech
Instantaneous updates usually mean the competitor simply has the item window up in front of them, and can spot any undercuts immediately.


This is not true. You do not immediately see an undercut. You have to explicitly refresh the trade window and do a new query to check.



Settings -> Automatically refresh market data -> Checkbox on.
Tadaaaa! Its magic, ladies and gentlemen, MAGIC!!


That doesn't refresh the item every time the item changes. It refreshes the item every time another of your items experiences movement (is bought/sold, or you update a price). Its a significant difference.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.03.02 21:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

Bots experience the same lag that you do when pulling up orders and have the same 5 minute limit



Fractional orders don't have any 5 minute limit.
Back at my trading time I make people e-rage because I kept 7-8 orders on the same item, immediately killing theirs.


I don't do this much (because it's a lot of work), but when I trade in real time, I'll always have the top order.


 

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