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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:03:00 - [1]
 

Hello All,

I am late to PI and I've now watched a few youtube videos, although most I found appeared to be out of date, the "Louis deGuerre" guide was last edited in November and October, which was pre-incursion, so it isn't clear if it is up to date. The "Berikath" spreadsheet is nice, but again I am new, so it's a little beyond my grasp.

Here are my questions:

Question 1
I have a Plasma planet and I want to make Enriched Uranium, I then need to
Extract: Heavy Metals and Noble Metals,
Route to Launch Pad and/or Storage
Process (from LP or Storage)
Heavy Metals >> Toxic Metals
Noble Metals >> Precious Metals
Process (from LP or Storage)
Toxic + Precious >> Enriched Uranium.

Am I missing anything here?

Question 2
When placing my CC, should I put it near a good place for the two resources above? (run two extractors) or should I make one of the metals on a barren planet and then ship them over?

Question 3
When an area become exhausted, and I have to decommission structures, are these decomps dead? (or do I get isk back?) Do you have to move your CC often? So if I am in w-space, should I have many cc in reserve?

I appreciate your time, thank you!
AG

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:08:00 - [2]
 

You got your recipe for EU right, but I recommend using a multi-planet setup, a single planet can't output all that much, and multi-planet is much more efficient go for something like this:

Barren x2 -> Extract Noble Metals, process them into Precious Metals.
Lava x 2 -> Extract Heavy Metals, process them into Toxic Metals.

Export toxic and precious metals, haul to another planet with 2 spaceports and 20 advanced factories,
process into EU

Easiest way to extract the goodies, is to use long cycles, and when you've depleted a spot, move the ECU to another good location, link it up to the main facility and continue sucking up ore.
If you don't have the power for the link, you can also use 2 storage facilites you deploy next to your ECU and rout the P0 into those, then when they are full, remove the extractor heads ( not the ECU itself ), link up to the main spaceport with the storage, and expidited transfre the P0 to the spaceport where it gets routed into the basic industry.

Anything you decomission is gone, you do not get refunds. so only move your ECU around when you need to go to another spot.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Xearal
You got your recipe for EU right, but I recommend using a multi-planet setup, a single planet can't output all that much, and multi-planet is much more efficient go for something like this:

Barren x2 -> Extract Noble Metals, process them into Precious Metals.
Lava x 2 -> Extract Heavy Metals, process them into Toxic Metals.

Export toxic and precious metals, haul to another planet with 2 spaceports and 20 advanced factories,
process into EU


Thank you for the very helpful reply!

So I should NOT extract anything from the Plasma planet if I am making EU? Everyone seems to be ga ga about them, is that just due to being able to make EU there? or is there a more advantageous resource to extract? I know it depends on my "plan" but my current plan is to figure out PI.

Thanks
AG

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.01 20:43:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
and when you've depleted a spot, move the ECU to another good location,


The better option is to do your research by observing the common areas in which different hotspots emerge and how they move. The best way to determine this is by simply deploying the command center and track the movement of the hotspots using the CC as a reference. Once you found the optimal spot, deploy the ECUs, processors and launchpad accordingly and fire away. This way, you won't have to wait time decommissioning and re-establishing ECUs. All you have to do is stop the programs, slide the heads around and restart the survey program.

Oh, and I recommend selecting long cycles for harvesting (ie: 3-4 days) while also minding how many processors you have in relation to your ECUs and their heads.

FlyingSpaghettiMonster
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

Thank you for the very helpful reply!

So I should NOT extract anything from the Plasma planet if I am making EU? Everyone seems to be ga ga about them, is that just due to being able to make EU there? or is there a more advantageous resource to extract? I know it depends on my "plan" but my current plan is to figure out PI.

Thanks
AG



That was just an example I think. Clearly if, your plamsa planet offers better output than a barren, go for it.

You generally want your planets for p1 to be within a single system, to limit both the time of hauling, and the danger of being on gates.


It is possible to do PI reasonably well up to p2 on a single planet, if you are willing to tear down and put back up an ECU every couple of days, if you would like to lessen hauling (ie, your setup is in lowsec, and you live in hisec, and hauling is not something you like doing often.)


I have a setup like this on one of my alts on same account:

...............................Adv Factory (p1a)
..............Adv Factory (p2) Adv Factory (p1a)
..............Adv Factory (p2) Adv Factory (p1a)
LaunchpadB-------------> LaunchpadC <------------------LaunchpadA
..............Adv Factory (p2) Adv Factory (p1b)
..............Adv Factory (p1b) Adv Factory (p1b)


The space between launchpads is decently long. There is a wide gap between both resource types, so I can't just put them close. Ignore the ".", they are there to keep the basic shape. The p1 and p2 procs are linked to the middle launchpad.

Basically, you drop an ECU next to one of the lanchpads, link it, boost link between launchpad and ECU so it can handle the max amount.

I usually get around 7 heads with this setup (CC IV), and run it at 2 or 3 or 4 day cycles, which gives me about the amount I need to run 3 processors for 4-8 days. Yes, 4-8 days. Because when the 2-4 days on ECU are up, I tear it down, and erect it near the OTHER launchpad, and extract the second resource, so their needs to be enough built up in the launchpad to keep those p1 procs running.

Both outer launchpads route all their stuff to the the p1 processors. The p1 procs route to the inner launchpad, which links back to the p2 procs, and finally back into the inner launchpad.

A bit more work, but it isn't as draining on the planet as other setups since there's some regen.



What is considered by and large the MOST efficient setup for a decent amount of work assuming CC IV and IC IV is one where you use 4 planets to extract, and you have a 5th that does nothing but factories, like was mentioned earlier by Xeareal.

You can actually do p3 with that, since you can run each planet extracting a different resource, and consolidating it all onto the factory planet which converts it to p2, then p3.



The profit per planet per hour/day is based solely on the time you are willing to spend. If you want to run short cycles to get more out of your planets, you will end up tearing down ECUs constantly and putting the back up 3/4 the way around the planet chasing hotspots.

You can also run a pure factory planet in hisec, where it is possible to make 12m/planet/day or even more, or quite often, a hell of a lot less. It's based on market fluctuations you see, which means you need to be able to have a lot of isk dedicated to simply buying the resources needed to fuel the factories, and always having to check if there is a profit to be made, and changing schematics almost every day.


Please note that all recommendations and setups given in ANY thread, will be subject to a case by case basis. A setup that works on a barren planet with a radius of <4,000km may not work due to PG with a 6,000km planet, or perhaps person A can manage to keep all those procs running thanks to being in a wormhole with no other people running PI, but your 0.0 system has 2 guys running similar setups to fuel THEIR POS, so your yields are less, etc.


Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.03.02 14:03:00 - [6]
 

Thank you FSM!


 

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