open All Channels
seplocked Assembly Hall
blankseplocked [Proposal] Faction/Pirate battlecruisers
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Author Topic

Cyberus
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 16:04:00 - [1]
 

Not sure if it have been proposed before but i would ( and i hope many others too ) to see in game some Faction/Pirate battlecruisers hulls, hell even meaby destroyers as well.

Ofc tumb up for my propose.

Cyb

Shoopa Whoopa
Posted - 2011.02.28 16:45:00 - [2]
 

Not sure if want.. the BCs we have are already pretty powerful.

I would love pirate faction Destroyers, tho.
Destroyers really need some love so they're not used exclusively to run Lvl1 missions and gank. Neutral

Riezza
Posted - 2011.03.01 00:07:00 - [3]
 

B/C would be nice if balanced right where it wouldn't be to over powering but the pirate/faction destroyer idea does sound good.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions

Posted - 2011.03.01 00:56:00 - [4]
 

as long as it costs around 500 million (definitely not less than 400) then I have no problems with this idea.

We also need officer modified medium weapons - probably cost 500-1000 million each

Jade Knight07
Posted - 2011.03.01 06:24:00 - [5]
 

I was very surprised to learn there were no Pirate/Faction battle cruiser, would be awesome if CCP introduced them.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.03.01 07:39:00 - [6]
 

While it would be nice to havesome more faction ships, I hate seeing command ships becoming more and more useless.
So I approve under the condition that faction BCs are set apart in some way of CS. While at it, CS could use a small buff and tier 2 BCs could a small nerf...

Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2011.03.01 07:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
as long as it costs around 500 million (definitely not less than 400) then I have no problems with this idea.

We also need officer modified medium weapons - probably cost 500-1000 million each


which part of 'market price is determined by supply vs demand' do you not comprehend?

Zilberfrid
Posted - 2011.03.01 08:18:00 - [8]
 

First fix both classes. The tier 2 BC's need fixing as in neutering, the destroyers need fixing as in duct tape.

Jerick Ludhowe
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:45:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Zilberfrid
First fix both classes. The tier 2 BC's need fixing as in neutering, the destroyers need fixing as in duct tape.


This^

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.01 18:59:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shobon Welp
which part of 'market price is determined by supply vs demand' do you not comprehend?
The profit margin is determined by free market. But the base cost is set by CCP in form of loyalty point + isk requirement for item BPC at faction lp store. And CCP manipulate the supply by setting drop percentages on faction spawns.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.01 19:56:00 - [11]
 

I believe the pirate faction ships were introduced before destroyers and BCs were introduced. This is why there aren't faction destroyers or BCs. A few years back, this topic was discussed though (this was before they beefed up the faction ships).

I support this only if the Guristas actually put a little effort in and come up with something more than a new paint job. Guardian Angels and Blood Raiders have at least one unique hull design. Sansha and Angel Cartel have a complete line of unique hulls. Guristas are apparently just lazy.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.02 06:27:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
as long as it costs around 500 million (definitely not less than 400) then I have no problems with this idea.


Same.

You people can't have:

frigs able to take down bs's (whenever)
cruisers defenitivly taking down bs's
bc's chewig bs's

and -> bs's being chewd by any cap ship

Imo frigs, cruisers and bc's T1 to 3hulls should already cost over 5 to 10 times their price.

Wy?- reward vs risk

ATM you risk nothing for the rewards you can get.
Time to change this and make eve become something realy harsh.
Where a frig is a frig and cant shi't on bigger than cruiser same for cruiser and then bc's can mabe shi't on bs's but they'll neeed to be a certain important number to shi't on their shoes like bs's need now to shi't on cap's shoes.


CCP tearing about too much isk in the game?
Make scum use real ships and this will never happen again.

Oen''Gus
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:34:00 - [13]
 

Theyre going to introduce it, its just a matter of time.

















Jaik7
Posted - 2011.03.04 21:49:00 - [14]
 

support for new hulls, don't care what.

but....

first off, the reason pirate stuff is weird and awesome is because it takes two faction skills to fly. bc and destris all have the same skillbook. unless they rework the game to require racial skillbooks on the bc level, the multirace awesomness of the pirate bcs will be diluted.

also...

concern for an ubertanking guristas drake that can do good damage through drones.

Idonis Callor
Posted - 2011.03.04 21:59:00 - [15]
 

Not supporting, Imagine a Navy Issue Drake.

Aerich e'Kieron
Posted - 2011.03.04 23:41:00 - [16]
 

+Support, more faction ships just make Eve that much deeper.

And what's with you guys not supporting this based on your own half-assed predictions about their stats?!

^What are you, an idiot(s)?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.04 23:43:00 - [17]
 

There is no room in the line-ups to accommodate faction BC's.
The only way to do it would be to gimp the tier2's severely and even then a faction version would trample all over the lower BS tiers domain.

Could theoretically make them T1 command ships with bonuses to augment the different factions ships and built-in ability to field two gang-links, but straight up faction BC's are insane to even consider.

Just imagine how stupidly OP an Angel or Serpentis BC would be .. some things are better left in the dream realm Very Happy


Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.05 00:20:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
There is no room in the line-ups to accommodate faction BC's.
The only way to do it would be to gimp the tier2's severely and even then a faction version would trample all over the lower BS tiers domain.

Could theoretically make them T1 command ships with bonuses to augment the different factions ships and built-in ability to field two gang-links, but straight up faction BC's are insane to even consider.

Just imagine how stupidly OP an Angel or Serpentis BC would be .. some things are better left in the dream realm Very Happy


If people are willing to to fly expensive stuff that can be ganked, then what's the problem?

It's almost impossible to destroy somebody enough that they can't fly t1 battlecruisers over and over again - makes killing them almost meaningless. But with 500 mil a pop faction battlecruisers, a few deaths and it's all over, they won't be able to bring it again without doing serious time farming.

And as far as trampling the battleships goes, battleships are already dead in the water - only useful for sniping and farming. A properly fit Drake or Cane can kill most battleships.

As example, my AC Maelstrom recently got owned by a Harbinger. Fight started at 5 km or so, both ships scrambled and webbed, top speeds were 60-30 ms. Harbinger got to 20% armor relatively quickly, but by that time it slowboated within 1-2 km for the Maelstrom and with superior traverse of 30 ms made AC miss 100%. Even tho it couldn't break Mael's tank by itself, 3 minutes later enough buddies showed up to finish the job. Pretty sad.

BS need serious revamp for small gang warfare.

Artius
Posted - 2011.03.05 04:03:00 - [19]
 

I think this would be totally badass!

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.05 10:47:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
If...

You start out with the standard (and erroneous) argument that ISK = balance only to move onto BS balance which is entirely unrelated to topic .. someone's been drinking methinks Very Happy

There is nothing wrong with people trying to buy success, but look at the Faction-to-T1 power ratio where the hulls exist: frigates that are near cruisers, cruisers that are near BC's and BS that are heads and shoulders above tier3 BS .. there is quite simply not room for faction BCs without making regular BCs as useless as most frigates/cruisers already are.

PS: Here is an ISK tip. Get 5-9 buddies and spend an afternoon grinding the assault incursions, nets you each enough to buy any sub-capital in game.
For extra cash, make sure the incursion is closed so you also get the LP .. so stupidly easy and completely risk free with proper coordination.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.03.05 23:21:00 - [21]
 

As long as no FBC outDrakes a Drake, I'm all for them

Dr Kalipso
Posted - 2011.03.06 11:39:00 - [22]
 

+1 Faction BC would be great

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.06 13:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Val'Dore
As long as no FBC outDrakes a Drake, I'm all for them


lol! yhh hyper ehp pirate bc's wouldnt be cool at all, it goes against most pirate factions fighting philosophies for a start.

would love to see what a fast blood raider laser bc would be like!

Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa
Not sure if want.. the BCs we have are already pretty powerful.

I would love pirate faction Destroyers, tho.
Destroyers really need some love so they're not used exclusively to run Lvl1 missions and gank. Neutral


<3 this idea!! +1 for fast fun pvp!

Centri Sixx
Posted - 2011.03.06 13:55:00 - [24]
 

Not supported, because it would raise the cost of entry again, similar to how the dramiel and cynabal have changed frig and cruiser PvP. Currently BCs are one of the few things a low to moderate SP player can train for relatively quickly, afford, and be a fleet member in. This might consign them back to ships of last resort if the difference is large enough.

Price wont matter, there's a lot of ISK floating around among the high end.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.03.06 15:39:00 - [25]
 

lol look at the sandy vjayjays

"sure but they better cost A BAGILLION ISK so normal people aren't using them!!"

u should try to be more bitter. seriously, ur not coming off as bitter vet enough.

...so angry that people 'beneath you' might fly nice ships that only you should be able to afford. Laughing

give me a jet black hurricane with 8 guns and make them cheap enough that ephemeron emoragequits

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.03.06 23:33:00 - [26]
 

At the end of the day anything in this regards is being done by game designers. And I'd better see them finally fixing command ships, battlecruisers and 99 other issues instead of this. What's the point in making EVE even more FUBAR?

Kwashi
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
Posted - 2011.03.07 13:24:00 - [27]
 

Would rather see more factions represented than more ships in each faction.

Where are the player-usable EOM ships, for example? I wants me a black shieldtanked punisher with a blaster bonus!Laughing


 

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only