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garus banta
Posted - 2011.02.27 08:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 09:55:12
I know many of you are glad that hulkageddon is about to end soon so you can return to mining and other ops.

But there is a more serious threat, while hulkageddon is a threat to miners there is a much more sinister and real threat.

Bot mining.

Yes, bot mining is destroying profits for miners, while we try to compete against falling prices of minerals bots are working non stop destroying the economy of new eden.

It's a silent killer, unlike hulkageddon the enemy works in shadows 23.5/7, they don't destroy your ship, but they lower your earnings, until mining and your hulk become worthless.

Hulkageddon, believe it or not, is good for miners. It should be a year round event and more needs to be done to prevent further damage done to the economy by bots.

rant over

Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.02.27 08:45:00 - [2]
 

Hulkageddon 4 has 20b in prizes for 1 week, I'm sure a wealthy non-bot miner like yourself could easily fund a 20b isk/week event ugh

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 09:36:00 - [3]
 

I did point out that some of the miners annoyed by hulkageddons actually become botters. Just to avoid the grief and keep the profits. As rare as it is, it's a logical choice. In short, moar hulkageddons = moar bots. I've posted a topic about it a while ago, here.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 09:38:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
I did point out that some of the miners annoyed by hulkageddons actually become botters. Just to avoid the grief and keep the profits. As rare as it is, it's a logical choice. In short, moar hulkageddons = moar bots. I've posted a topic about it a while ago, here.


You're stupid, and now you're marketing your conjecture as truth. You have no proof, or even evidence that this is anything but your own mind shadows.


garus banta
Posted - 2011.02.27 09:50:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 09:50:49
have you noticed at all that the minerals market is finally slowly climbing at a steady pace?

Do you think hulkageddon had anything to do with this? If you do you're a fool! When a ship is destroyed, insurance covers some of the loss, the modules are sold back to the market UNDER their market value, so after loot, salvage + insurance you really did not do much damage because the market absorbs the goods. The difference is that INDIVIDUALS are affected but the market remains intact.

The only thing that has helped the mineral market are incursions. Take a look at the exact release date of Incursion (the sansha attacks expansion) and look at when the mineral market started to curve upward.

In January the price of tritanium has spiked sharply, think that's a coincidence?

Bot farmers are unable to mine 23/7 now and although bots are still present, their workload is decreased, helping miners actually make profit from selling tritanium in a long while.


Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.27 09:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
I did point out that some of the miners annoyed by hulkageddons actually become botters. Just to avoid the grief and keep the profits. As rare as it is, it's a logical choice. In short, moar hulkageddons = moar bots. I've posted a topic about it a while ago, here.


You're stupid, and now you're marketing your conjecture as truth. You have no proof, or even evidence that this is anything but your own mind shadows.




Helicity, as a former member of Python Cartel (not this toon), and a contributor to this quarters Hulkageddon, I have only this to say. Next Hulkageddon, I plan on donating 1 billion isk to the individual who destroys the most Noctis class ships. Yes, I am ALREADY planning and saving for next Hulkageddon. I look forward to the carnage. Check your eve mail. Somewhere in all the hate mail you get, will be an eve mail from my main titled: NEXT Hulkageddon. May the Carnage Continue!

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 09:55:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: garus banta
Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 09:50:49
have you noticed at all that the minerals market is finally slowly climbing at a steady pace?

Do you think hulkageddon had anything to do with this? If you do you're a fool! When a ship is destroyed, insurance covers some of the loss, the modules are sold back to the market UNDER their market value, so after loot, salvage + insurance you really did not do much damage because the market absorbs the goods. The difference is that INDIVIDUALS are affected but the market remains intact.

The only thing that has helped the mineral market are incursions. Take a look at the exact release date of Incursion (the sansha attacks expansion) and look at when the mineral market started to curve upward.

In January the price of tritanium has spiked sharply, think that's a coincidence?

Bot farmers are unable to mine 23/7 now and although bots are still present, their workload is decreased, helping miners actually make profit from selling tritanium in a long while.




In the end though, it's not my job to fix the macro problem, I just see them as entertaining and easy targets for my silly event.

CCP is the one that needs to remedy the problem, but they won't, because bots = subs = dollars = Develop DUST and WoD.

Sad, but true.


garus banta
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:00:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 10:03:04
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: garus banta
Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 09:50:49
have you noticed at all that the minerals market is finally slowly climbing at a steady pace?

Do you think hulkageddon had anything to do with this? If you do you're a fool! When a ship is destroyed, insurance covers some of the loss, the modules are sold back to the market UNDER their market value, so after loot, salvage + insurance you really did not do much damage because the market absorbs the goods. The difference is that INDIVIDUALS are affected but the market remains intact.

The only thing that has helped the mineral market are incursions. Take a look at the exact release date of Incursion (the sansha attacks expansion) and look at when the mineral market started to curve upward.

In January the price of tritanium has spiked sharply, think that's a coincidence?

Bot farmers are unable to mine 23/7 now and although bots are still present, their workload is decreased, helping miners actually make profit from selling tritanium in a long while.




In the end though, it's not my job to fix the macro problem, I just see them as entertaining and easy targets for my silly event.

CCP is the one that needs to remedy the problem, but they won't, because bots = subs = dollars = Develop DUST and WoD.

Sad, but true.




Ok, first let me say that you are DEAD wrong.
Botting is terrible for CCP, which is why they clearly state that it's against rules.

Incursions are a temp fix for botting until they can develop and implement a better system, and I have 100% certainty it will happen in the near future and here is why.

Bots are just SO bad for CCP it's not even funny, they destroy profits both in game and in real life and deteriorate the value of the product.

That you even THINK CCP is raking in the big bucks is a joke! They are struggling to keep the game fun AND combat RMT and bots. Unfortunately making games is hard, it's really really hard. Try making one if you don't believe me.

CCP is doing the best they can with the resources given and I have full confidence they will not dissapoint even if they release a fix later, it will be good.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:08:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: garus banta

Ok, first let me say that you are DEAD wrong.
Botting is terrible for CCP, which is why they clearly state that it's against rules.



Do you really think CCP is not *aware* that the big alliances all run on bots? Or that the miners in highsec are mostly composed of botters?

Of course they are. And of course they *can* find them and ban them permanently. But they don't. Because each bot is still a sub, and whether or not they pay for their account with plex is irrelevant, because every plex has /already/ been paid for with real money.

Don't delude yourself, CCP is a business, and bots bring income to them.

Quote:

Incursions are a temp fix for botting until they can develop and implement a better system, and I have 100% certainty it will happen in the near future and here is why.



You don't have 100% certainty, you do not work at CCP. Incursions are not a fix, bots getting popped is only a desirable /unforseen side effect/

Quote:

Bots are just SO bad for CCP it's not even funny, they destroy profits both in game and in real life and deteriorate the value of the product.



I somehow do not think that thousands of accounts paying 15 bucks a month is seen as SO BAD by the people who care only about the bottom line. i.e. money.

Quote:

That you even THINK CCP is raking in the big bucks is a joke! They are struggling to keep the game fun AND combat RMT and bots. Unfortunately making games is hard, it's really really hard. Try making one if you don't believe me.


They are struggling because they are largely an ineffectual cluster-bleep- of a company, with dubious internal values, terrible pay, and a lack of internal communications that makes israel and palestine look like a unified state by comparison.

I actually DO know that making games is hard. It's my job you see.

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
You're stupid, and now you're marketing your conjecture as truth. You have no proof, or even evidence that this is anything but your own mind shadows.

I've explained my reasons for withholding the solid info. And I've already posted the way to have proof for yourself, twice. If you're really interested, you may check it out, and see if I'm right or wrong.
But, well, I understand you on this. It's surely easier to go ad hominem and flatly deny all the claims. Sorry, but I won't sacrifice myself or my friends just to entertain you.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:16:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Originally by: Helicity Boson
You're stupid, and now you're marketing your conjecture as truth. You have no proof, or even evidence that this is anything but your own mind shadows.

I've explained my reasons for withholding the solid info. And I've already posted the way to have proof for yourself, twice. If you're really interested, you may check it out, and see if I'm right or wrong.
But, well, I understand you on this. It's surely easier to go ad hominem and flatly deny all the claims. Sorry, but I won't sacrifice myself or my friends just to entertain you.


Well, if your friends are botters, you should get better friends. And if you don't report botters you're more of a direct part of the problem than I can ever be.

Your attempts to make excuses (and make no mistake, you are doing exactly that) for them only aggravate the situation; it's never ok to bot. It's illegal, bannable, and pretty weak in general.


Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:17:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Echo Mae on 27/02/2011 10:17:03
Originally by: Helicity Boson

Well, if your friends are botters, you should get better friends. And if you don't report botters you're more of a direct part of the problem than I can ever be.

Your attempts to make excuses (and make no mistake, you are doing exactly that) for them only aggravate the situation; it's never ok to bot. It's illegal, bannable, and pretty weak in general.




^ This. Totally This!

garus banta
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:31:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: garus banta on 27/02/2011 10:35:43
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: garus banta

Ok, first let me say that you are DEAD wrong.
Botting is terrible for CCP, which is why they clearly state that it's against rules.



Do you really think CCP is not *aware* that the big alliances all run on bots? Or that the miners in highsec are mostly composed of botters?

Of course they are. And of course they *can* find them and ban them permanently. But they don't. Because each bot is still a sub, and whether or not they pay for their account with plex is irrelevant, because every plex has /already/ been paid for with real money.

Don't delude yourself, CCP is a business, and bots bring income to them.

Quote:

Incursions are a temp fix for botting until they can develop and implement a better system, and I have 100% certainty it will happen in the near future and here is why.



You don't have 100% certainty, you do not work at CCP. Incursions are not a fix, bots getting popped is only a desirable /unforseen side effect/

Quote:

Bots are just SO bad for CCP it's not even funny, they destroy profits both in game and in real life and deteriorate the value of the product.



I somehow do not think that thousands of accounts paying 15 bucks a month is seen as SO BAD by the people who care only about the bottom line. i.e. money.

Quote:

That you even THINK CCP is raking in the big bucks is a joke! They are struggling to keep the game fun AND combat RMT and bots. Unfortunately making games is hard, it's really really hard. Try making one if you don't believe me.


They are struggling because they are largely an ineffectual cluster-bleep- of a company, with dubious internal values, terrible pay, and a lack of internal communications that makes israel and palestine look like a unified state by comparison.

I actually DO know that making games is hard. It's my job you see.


are you serious? They banned over 6000 accounts during unholy rage for RMT. You dont think thats a significant user base?

Plus they lose money if people stop paying because they dont need 6 accounts but only 3 with bots.

BOTS make it easier to earn ISK, NOT the other way around.

and also to retort your point , because CCP is a business they fully intend to make the BEST profit, botting is NOT a good way to earn more cash, quite the opposite, instead of having a customer who plays the game and brings quality to the community there is NO value in botting to CCP. Get over yourself.

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Well, if your friends are botters

Some of them claim to be. I don't and I won't have proof of that, and I've already said why.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Your attempts to make excuses (and make no mistake, you are doing exactly that)

What exactly is an excuse?
Originally by: Helicity Boson
and pretty weak in general.

Says the maker of an event dedicated to destroying ones who can't fight back. Delicious irony ^_^

Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Echo Mae on 27/02/2011 10:52:29
Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
destroying ones who can't fight back. Delicious irony ^_^


Oh Really?

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Echo Mae
Oh Really?

Yeah, really. Baiting doesn't count.

Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:56:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Echo Mae on 27/02/2011 11:01:01
Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Originally by: Echo Mae
Oh Really?

Yeah, really. Baiting doesn't count.


Baiting? I guess you didn't watch that hulk chew through cruisers then did you? That is a hulk, fitted with a tank, able to what now? Yes, DESTROY cruisers. What part of that did you miss? Thought so.

Have a nice day. Cupcake.

*edit* In case your slow (and I think you are), JNB fitted her hulk to be able to tank and gank, even if she had fitted her hulk only to tank and mine, she shows that the hulk is capable of sustaining a significant amount of damage if 'tanked properly'. However, most high sec miners don't do that and then wonder why their ships pop so fast. Get a clue. Obviously you have none.

Oh and before you say "how would I know" let me explain this to you. I have survived on my Industrial character, three gank attempts. How? Easy, I fit for tank, not for cargo. Use your brain and don't expect hello kitty in space and you 'might' survive more than you think you can.

Or, just whine and cry about how bad and ebil the mean pirates are who are killing you.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: garus banta
BOTS make it easier to earn ISK, NOT the other way around.


While I appreciate your love of CCP, I don't think you fully grasp how deep this corruption runs and what sort of money is involved here.

Google "Summer of 10 expose on RMT", go to the first link, and in particular begin reading on page 8 of that forum thread, post number 365.

I think you will be as thoroughly shocked as I was.

don't get me wrong here, I'm on your side, I just don't believe CCP are -actually- doing their best to stop it.

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:19:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Suiginryou Hitaiga on 27/02/2011 11:20:03

Originally by: Echo Mae
Baiting? I guess you didn't watch that hulk chew through cruisers then did you?

That's also baiting, in case you didn't know - purposely taking a commonly defenseless ship to catch single gankers.
Originally by: Echo Mae
*edit* In case your slow (and I think you are)

Yes, I am. Sorry for that.
Originally by: Echo Mae
JNB fitted her hulk to be able to tank and gank, even if she had fitted her hulk only to tank and mine, she shows that the hulk is capable of sustaining a significant amount of damage if 'tanked properly'.

Yes, I know a hulk can withstand a single dessie or even a cruiser attack. So what of it? Just bring in more gun - hulk's wreck is profitable enough to sacrifice a pair of battleships (when even one is a confirmed kill) and still have a surplus. Therefore, no matter how much do you tank your hulk, the only ones you can withstand are insignificant flies. The first true predator (say, an alpha tempest) will rip you to shreds.
Originally by: Echo Mae
However, most high sec miners don't do that and then wonder why their ships pop so fast.

That I know, too. My pimped Hulk, for example, doesn't have any tank on it. Why? Because I mine on a Covetor and take Hulk very seldom, when there is a real motherlode, really worth the risk of losing a ship that expensive. Why do I do so? Because I can easily afford to lose the Covetor, and pirates who pop it would not gain anything for their effort. Unlike that with the Hulk. They know that and they seldom attack me - and when they do, I just shrug, clonejump, take another Covetor and continue to mine.
Originally by: Echo Mae
Oh and before you say "how would I know" let me explain this to you. I have survived on my Industrial character, three gank attempts. How? Easy, I fit for tank, not for cargo. Use your brain and don't expect hello kitty in space and you 'might' survive more than you think you can.

I know how to avoid single random ganks on an indie, thank you. That wouldn't help against a geddoner devoted to have the prize and therefore prepared to lose more than he can possibly gain from my wreck. Or against a covert gatecamp tired of waiting for their target and popping the first one they see the next second, just for kicks.
Originally by: Echo Mae
Or, just whine and cry about how bad and ebil the mean pirates are who are killing you.

No, thank you, I'll pass on that. Hisec gankers and lolsec scum are not worth my tears.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga

That's also baiting, in case you didn't know - purposely taking a commonly defenseless ship to catch single gankers.



This. This is the crux of it. commonly defenseless.

Who's fault is that? Not mine. And that is the part where we differ of opinion. You say the safety of miners is somehow CCPs responsibility, I say it's their own




Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:48:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson

This. This is the crux of it. commonly defenseless.

Who's fault is that? Not mine. And that is the part where we differ of opinion. You say the safety of miners is somehow CCPs responsibility, I say it's their own

Flying a bait-fit (tanked + two neuts) hulk doesn't pay off. You can either mine OR hunt. If you equip just one strip miner on a Hulk, you'll be profiting 50% less than with a Covetor, which costs almost ten times less, not to mention the skill gap. That's the fault of it. Naturally, when a miner goes for the Hulk, she wants it for more possible profit than its predecessor makes. If not for gankers, an extra month of training and extra 140M isks would pay off in the long run. If there are gankers, it wouldn't, no matter what do you do - tank it or not.

Centri Sixx
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:35:00 - [22]
 

Oh, be quiet OP. Hulkageddon has little to no impact on bots because they can easily recoup the losses over normal players. This is because the normal player often doesn't multi-box nor plays for 10+ hours straight. You'd have to non-stop camp specific bot systems, and hulkageddon people simply don't: many ice belts were pristine and untouched.

Honestly, if you all care about bots, form an 0.0 alliance, start planting afk cloakers in every single system, and start focusing on getting macro ratters to stay perpetually docked. Hulkageddon has consistently failed at reducing the bot presence ever since inception.

Gerrick Palivorn
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:37:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Originally by: Helicity Boson

This. This is the crux of it. commonly defenseless.

Who's fault is that? Not mine. And that is the part where we differ of opinion. You say the safety of miners is somehow CCPs responsibility, I say it's their own

Flying a bait-fit (tanked + two neuts) hulk doesn't pay off. You can either mine OR hunt. If you equip just one strip miner on a Hulk, you'll be profiting 50% less than with a Covetor, which costs almost ten times less, not to mention the skill gap. That's the fault of it. Naturally, when a miner goes for the Hulk, she wants it for more possible profit than its predecessor makes. If not for gankers, an extra month of training and extra 140M isks would pay off in the long run. If there are gankers, it wouldn't, no matter what do you do - tank it or not.


Why would it always be about profit? Sometimes you get mad and want to teach the gankers and griefers a lesson in manners, the fact that MOST Hulk pilots don't know how to tank isn't the gankers or ccp's fault, it's the miners fault for painting a huge 'Gank me' sign on the top of there ship. Easy kills will be had cause the ganker doesn't care about profit or the 'bottom line' all they care about is the kill. Once you understand this, you'll finally understand why lowsec isn't a scary place to be feared and avoided at all costs, as so many Industrialists have told me. I personally like Bait Hulks cause they keep the gankers frosty and I think that every fleet should have one YARRRR!!

Gerrick Palivorn

M'ktakh
Posted - 2011.02.27 14:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: M''ktakh on 27/02/2011 14:13:58
As a Hulkageddon newb (ganking industrials, since the corp is small, and the loot is fat), I recently scoured some belts looking for Hulks and their like to gank.

I was quite appaled by the lack of tank for some fits. If we had 2-3 more people, or upgrded to Pests, ca-tching.

As for Hulks and tanking, if my memory serves me right, then the fully tanked Hulk, as per Halada's guide, has an EHP above 200K, with a sustained tank of 200+ (may be wrong, am posting from memory). Thats is more than enough to bait a couple of gankers and laugh as they get Concorded. Its not that difficult to tank haulers, miners, and the like.

Dont want to get ganked? Tank your ****ing ships. Its that easy.


You spinning particle, keep up the good work!

WowThisGameIsAwesome
Posted - 2011.02.27 14:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: M'ktakh
Edited by: M''ktakh on 27/02/2011 14:13:58
A

Dont want to get ganked? Tank your ****ing ships. Its that easy.


!

As Team Fortress Engineer said : "Use more gun"

Unit757
North Point
Posted - 2011.02.27 14:37:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Says the maker of an event dedicated to destroying ones who can't fight back. Delicious irony ^_^


I'm pretty sure that just the bots are the ones that don't fight back, because they arn't programed to. I have roamed around different systems during this event, and I have seen countless hulks that do try and fight back. Got alot of free drones because of it.

Theres nothing wrong with Heliciy's event, because ample warning was given that this would happen. Those that lost a barge or exhummer to this event deserve it. Everyone who understands game mechanics knows that if you can be locked, you can be shot, and if you can be shot, you can be killed. High sec dosen't mean ****.

Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 14:48:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
Why would it always be about profit? Sometimes you get mad and want to teach the gankers and griefers a lesson in manners

The btch of it is that it's exactly what they want - MOAR PEWPEW.
Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
the fact that MOST Hulk pilots don't know how to tank isn't the gankers or ccp's fault, it's the miners fault for painting a huge 'Gank me' sign on the top of there ship.

I'm not defending clinical idiots that drag out a vessel worth 250M where it could be easily ganked. If you want it safe - fly a Covetor, and you won't be popped for gains, which increases chances of survival drastically, unless it's a *geddon in effect and gankers, mostly, are throwing out their ships for sport.
Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
Easy kills will be had cause the ganker doesn't care about profit or the 'bottom line' all they care about is the kill. Once you understand this, you'll finally understand why lowsec isn't a scary place to be feared and avoided at all costs, as so many Industrialists have told me.

Many industrialists are also individualists, and lolsecs are gang-only, unless you fly a covert ops vessel or a T3. With all possible tank and all possible precautions, Hulk can only survive the most incompetent attackers in lowsec.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.27 15:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
Why would it always be about profit? Sometimes you get mad and want to teach the gankers and griefers a lesson in manners

The btch of it is that it's exactly what they want - MOAR PEWPEW.
Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
the fact that MOST Hulk pilots don't know how to tank isn't the gankers or ccp's fault, it's the miners fault for painting a huge 'Gank me' sign on the top of there ship.

I'm not defending clinical idiots that drag out a vessel worth 250M where it could be easily ganked. If you want it safe - fly a Covetor, and you won't be popped for gains, which increases chances of survival drastically, unless it's a *geddon in effect and gankers, mostly, are throwing out their ships for sport.
Originally by: Gerrick Palivorn
Easy kills will be had cause the ganker doesn't care about profit or the 'bottom line' all they care about is the kill. Once you understand this, you'll finally understand why lowsec isn't a scary place to be feared and avoided at all costs, as so many Industrialists have told me.

Many industrialists are also individualists, and lolsecs are gang-only, unless you fly a covert ops vessel or a T3. With all possible tank and all possible precautions, Hulk can only survive the most incompetent attackers in lowsec.


So basically, you are telling me, that you are a complete pacifist in a sandbox PVP mmo, and then are upset when people might shoot at you against your wishes.

This strikes me as extremely amusing.


Suiginryou Hitaiga
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.27 15:15:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
So basically, you are telling me, that you are a complete pacifist in a sandbox PVP mmo, and then are upset when people might shoot at you against your wishes.

Not might. Are.
And I'm not worried about them shooting at me, no.
I'm worried about lack of a way to fight back properly: as they deprive me of fun by shooting me, because they like to shoot people, I should have some way to deprive them of their shooting fun in turn. But eve is stripped of possible options to do this, and all I can do is shoot them back, spiraling the violence up, thus defeating the purpose of defense.
Originally by: Helicity Boson
This strikes me as extremely amusing.

I imagine it does indeed. A sad thing. I'd rather like an intelligent being like you a few steps up the evolution ladder. But oh well... perhaps it can't be helped. Or, perhaps, it could. I'll try, that's for certain.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.02.27 15:41:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Suiginryou Hitaiga
I'm worried about lack of a way to fight back properly: as they deprive me of fun by shooting me, because they like to shoot people, I should have some way to deprive them of their shooting fun in turn. But eve is stripped of possible options to do this, and all I can do is shoot them back, spiraling the violence up, thus defeating the purpose of defense.


1. Right click -> Choose station -> Dock
2. Esc -> Log off

Or, my personal favourite,

3. Account Management -> Subscription Details -> Unsubscribe


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