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Entrigo
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:36:00 - [1]
 

Question for PVPers and Carebears alike - If Pods were invulnerable , would there be more or less pvp. Would you care? and Would it destroy the eve economy or just the implant market?

Please leave constructive feed back.
Pods go squish.

Shoopa Whoopa
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:38:00 - [2]
 

There would be less PvP obviously since you can't destroy the pods - that means less kills (damn, I was trying to bull**** you but it turned out to be technically correct).

Also, it would obviously destroy the whole economy and all of Eve.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:42:00 - [3]
 

PvPers would lose Enthusiasm. Simple as that.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:50:00 - [4]
 

More people with implants and no JC would try out PvP.

Brizae
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:57:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Anne Arqui
More people with implants and no JC would try out PvP.

This is true.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.02.25 19:59:00 - [6]
 

There would be more pvp, but it would have less meaning. Aside from someone getting themselves in a situation where they lose a faction ship or officer mods the random hope that the pod you just killed had a crystal set in it is the only thing that keeps people going.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.02.25 20:00:00 - [7]
 

Honestly it could go both ways.


You would get a lot of new people trying out pvp for the first time, however you would get some old timer pvp pilots losing interest as there would be less risk. Part of the rush of pvp is the risk of losing it all and having to buy a new clone.

Adian Grey
Posted - 2011.02.25 20:03:00 - [8]
 

Part of what makes PvP and ransoming fun is the ability to make someone else go Squish!

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.02.25 20:11:00 - [9]
 

Apart from nullsec, they are virtually invulnerable. There are a few things that can catch you by surprise, but they all are avoidable if you are careful.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.02.25 20:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Omara Otawan
Apart from nullsec, they are virtually invulnerable. There are a few things that can catch you by surprise, but they all are avoidable if you are careful.


Unless your client locks up when your ship blows up. Embarassed

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:27:00 - [11]
 

Overview has a 1 second delay to update. Add some kind of lag to that and human reaction time at the other end... should normally be long enough to warp your pod out.

Only reason you should lose your pod is
a) in a warp bubble
b) if you go afk or your client dies

Personally I would not hate it if CCP changed bubbles such that they did not catch pods. BUT this would change game mechanics a bit (podding people back to their med clone station) and probably not be generally loved by the 0.0 dwellers. Who knows.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:31:00 - [12]
 

implants would be STUPIDLY expensive.

nothing in this game apart from trained skills are safe from destruction/loss, and thats why they are sold by NPCs.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:39:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 25/02/2011 22:40:57
Huh? Pods are vulnerable? LaughingLaughingLaughing

Checked BC for lulz, it auto adds all my kill/lossmails.
Lost 5 pods in 6 years, and the last one was in 2007 Laughing

--edit: Scratch that, was looking at page 2 of losses. Apparently I lost one last year, though that was me suiciding a blank jump clone back to empire, if that counts I guess?


Certainly hasn't deterred me from PvP :p

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter

nothing in this game apart from trained skills are safe from destruction/loss


Then why do we have clones? Oh yeah, to keep you from losing skillpoints.


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:51:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Dr Fighter

nothing in this game apart from trained skills are safe from destruction/loss


Then why do we have clones? Oh yeah, to keep you from losing skillpoints.




you do have be there, but it is an expense of isk to protect those skill pionts.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.02.25 22:52:00 - [16]
 

I love popping pods, it's like the icing on the cake.

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Brizae
Originally by: Anne Arqui
More people with implants and no JC would try out PvP.

This is true.


No, it isn't.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:06:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 25/02/2011 23:07:29
Originally by: Sinister Dextor
Originally by: Brizae
Originally by: Anne Arqui
More people with implants and no JC would try out PvP.

This is true.


No, it isn't.

QFT

People who don't have the berries to risk a few measly implants (with mechanics making it almost impossible to lose a pod), sure as **** don't have the berries to risk their vulnerable ship in PvP.


edit: hahahhahaha cojones is filtered

Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Navigators of the Abyss
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:13:00 - [19]
 

Only if they went 10 m/s, couldn't warp, and had self destruct.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:16:00 - [20]
 

Honestly I would pvp more if I didn't lose my implants when I was podded, or if there was only a chance to lose them. Strategically it makes sense to pod in order to send people far away. I have bad timing as when I do JC, I often find myself wanting to pvp before the 24 hrs. I have now just stopped caring, but it would have helped when I first started out.

Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:22:00 - [21]
 

REALLY!?

Without the potential loss of pods, losing implants, having to upgrade a clone etc. Where is the risk. Where is the heart thumping oh crap i need to GTFO of here. Where is the satisfaction of the soft gooey center to KAIK.

Personally I believe that losing a pod is so shall we say no big deal that they should increase the cost of clone upgrades or implants. Then it would bring a new meaning and dynamic back of actually negotiating to keep your pod.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:34:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
implants would be STUPIDLY expensive.

nothing in this game apart from trained skills are safe from destruction/loss, and thats why they are sold by NPCs.

Actually if no pods exploded the demand for implants would drop and prices would fall after the initial rush.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.02.25 23:53:00 - [23]
 

People would definitely PvP more. As it stands you pretty much have to choose between low risk (no or lesser implants) and faster skill training. If you want +5s, then you probably ought to stay out of PvP. The 24 hour delay on jump clones doesn't help either.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 - [24]
 

What if they were only invulnerable in high sec

lol carebears unite

Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
People would definitely PvP more. As it stands you pretty much have to choose between low risk (no or lesser implants) and faster skill training. If you want +5s, then you probably ought to stay out of PvP. The 24 hour delay on jump clones doesn't help either.

Very true. The 24h wait every time you jump clones is really very prohibiting.

Podding isn't that bad but to lose skilltime every time you PvP is a very high price in a game where skilltraining is the only bottleneck.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:10:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Omara Otawan
Apart from nullsec, they are virtually invulnerable.


This should be true, but my recent experience shows that, for some reason, it isn't.

Sonja IIX
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:11:00 - [27]
 

I would definitely get into PVP, who cares about losing a PVP ship, its the chip set that is the $$$.
Especially as a newbie, I feel I need +5 all the time without all those vets around me with their massive SP.

T.

Sporked
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Entrigo
Question for PVPers and Carebears alike - If Pods were invulnerable , would there be more or less pvp. Would you care? and Would it destroy the eve economy or just the implant market?

Please leave constructive feed back.
Pods go squish.



It'd probably be a bit more boring to PvP without squishy pods, personally my objective in PvP is to kick people as hard as I can in the financial pants. As other posters have said though I doubt it would have a significant effect on the economy when you bear in mind CCP has a precedent of market adjustments when resources become either too abundant or a bottleneck occurs. If pods were all of a sudden totally invulnerable I would imagine CCP would either increase their LP cost or provide another mechanic for obtaining them - most likely removing stat implants from the LP stores and adding them as mission loot as hardwirings currently are or keeping them as special awards.

Marlena Mildari
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:27:00 - [29]
 

I vote for lowering the jump timer to something like 6, maybe 12 hours

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:52:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 26/02/2011 00:52:39
Originally by: Sporked
If pods were all of a sudden totally invulnerable I would imagine CCP would either increase their LP cost or provide another mechanic for obtaining them - most likely removing stat implants from the LP stores and adding them as mission loot as hardwirings currently are or keeping them as special awards.

Not sure if the effect will be that great. How many people actually take the risk to get podded with +5s anyway ... they must be either extremely rich or extremely stupid.

Originally by: Marlena Mildari
I vote for lowering the jump timer to something like 6, maybe 12 hours.

Perhaps make clone jumping cost money just like buying a new clone. 24 hours is just too long, especially as you "pay in advance", sometimes without even getting into PvP at all.


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